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[Clearly Balkan]

Sbri wrote...

From a post I made about 9 months ago:
A post in thanks to Bioware for FemShep.
  Being a fan of the Mass Effect soundtrack, I've been playing it in the car. My 6 year old enjoys it as well, and I've been telling her a bit about the story (no mean feat, by the way, telling a G rated version of ME at 6:30 in the morning before my tea).  I then looked up the intro to ME1 on YouTube to show her. The video I found showed FemShep. She was excited as she watched the ship fly past Jupiter and Neptune, and asked about the people she saw. Then the camera swung around to show Shepard's face. I watched my daughter's eyes go wide as she exclaimed, "She's the hero? She looks so tough. I want to be tough like her. She's AWSOME!"  I realized that I'd inadvertantly introduced a different concept of a hero to her via FemShep. She's tough and smart. She goes on exciting missions and stops the bad guys.  She's the one doing the saving, rather then being saved. 
  It will be years (like a decade or more) before my daughter will play the Mass Effect series. But when I see the effect that even that simple image of FemShep had, it reminded me that even just the idea of a female hero can be inspiring.
So thank you to Bioware for FemShep.

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[hawat333]

This game is part RPG.
Considering that, of course it was worth it.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Yes she's worth the cost. Enough so to warrant her own trailer (supposedly).

[Stardusk78]

Arppis wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

someone who needs diaper changing.

Femshep is the ANTIfeminist woman. Believe me, despite all the attendant BS we have to deal with, her presence is a good thing precisely because her role is completely different to reality.

She's like a man disguised as woman. Just listen how deeeep her voice is too.

It's more the point that FEmshep doesn't get any special privileges, unlike real life women, who claim to want equality but actually want to be favoured when it suits them. That is the good thing about Femshep.

[tangalin]

Ah yes... "BroShep," We have dismissed that claim.

[milena87]

I don't think I would have enjoyed Mass Effect as much as I did if FemShep wasn't an option.
Actually, being able to play as female is one of the reason I instantly preorder Bioware's games.

[Arppis]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

someone who needs diaper changing.

Femshep is the ANTIfeminist woman. Believe me, despite all the attendant BS we have to deal with, her presence is a good thing precisely because her role is completely different to reality.

She's like a man disguised as woman. Just listen how deeeep her voice is too.

It's more the point that FEmshep doesn't get any special privileges, unlike real life women, who claim to want equality but actually want to be favoured when it suits them. That is the good thing about Femshep.

Thats true. True equality would be good.

And I'm mostly just joking there (still don't like her voice thou).

[Captain Crash]

izmirtheastarach wrote...
I wonder how long this trolling will be allowed to continue.

Well for six pages so far.   But to be fair BSN has been pretty good not feeding the trolls with the responses so far.

Sbri wrote...

From a post I made about 9 months ago: 
A post in thanks to Bioware for FemShep.  [snip]

I loved that post Sbri when you wrote it the first time  So much so I bookedmarked it and have on hand because its so sweet

http://social.biowar...3/index/7419951 

Modifié par Captain Crash, 06 février 2012 - 10:55 .

[LaurenShepard-N7]

If it wasn't for Femshep, along with the romances and character interaction that goes with her, I probably would have dismissed ME as another random Halo-type alien shooter (but with more frustrating combat) and given up on it ages ago. I like being able to put myself in the story rather than some anonymous Masterchief (as badass as he is).

[Centauri2002]

Stardusk78 wrote...
It's more the point that FEmshep doesn't get any special privileges, unlike real life women, who claim to want equality but actually want to be favoured when it suits them. That is the good thing about Femshep.

Bad generalisation is bad. D:

As for FemShep - I may very well never have gotten into Mass Effect if it was not for her. When I initially bought the first game, I had no clue you could play as a female character and I was resigned to the idea that I'd have to explore this intriguing universe as a male character, yet again. And didn't I receive a nice surprise when I reached character creation.

Had we been limited to only a male character, I probably would have never bought the second game. I've tried playing MaleShep and just haven't been able to get far with him. I felt much more immersed in the story because of FemShep and, as such, have found the Mass Effect games to be some of the most compelling, addictive games I've ever played.

[Arppis]

centauri2002 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...
It's more the point that FEmshep doesn't get any special privileges, unlike real life women, who claim to want equality but actually want to be favoured when it suits them. That is the good thing about Femshep.

Bad generalisation is bad. D:

As for FemShep - I may very well never have gotten into Mass Effect if it was not for her. When I initially bought the first game, I had no clue you could play as a female character and I was resigned to the idea that I'd have to explore this intriguing universe as a male character, yet again. And didn't I receive a nice surprise when I reached character creation.

Had we been limited to only a male character, I probably would have never bought the second game. I've tried playing MaleShep and just haven't been able to get far with him. I felt much more immersed in the story because of FemShep and, as such, have found the Mass Effect games to be some of the most compelling, addictive games I've ever played.

Generalisations are neccessary sometimes. But one must remember they don't hold out to everyone, usualy just most.

I can totaly relate to what you said about femShepard, but for me it's just the Male Shepard.

Modifié par Arppis, 06 février 2012 - 12:08 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Playing as Lara Croft never hindered my enjoyment Tomb Raider. Those saying they wouldn't have played Mass Effect because there is no female character is the most shallow way to judge a video game.

Had Mass Effect only had a female protagonist, i can't say it would've hindered my enjoyment of the series at all; provided the character wasn't voiced by Jennifer Hale of course.

[Merilsell]

milena87 wrote...

I don't think I would have enjoyed Mass Effect as much as I did if FemShep wasn't an option.
Actually, being able to play as female is one of the reason I instantly preorder Bioware's games.

This. Except for the preorder. Not doing that anymore since DA2.

[tetrisblock4x1]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Playing as Lara Croft never hindered my enjoyment Tomb Raider. Those saying they wouldn't have played Mass Effect because there is no female character is the most shallow way to judge a video game.

You'd probably feel differently if the ratio of women:men starring in games (and movies) like Mass Effect were reversed. Saying that there is one strong female protagonist out of ten is probably an overstatement in gaming. The list of strong females protagonists that I know of is as follows:

Kerrigan (starcraft)
Shodan (robot)
Glados (robot)
Chell (she's a Gordan Freeman type of character)
Revan
The Bhaalspawn from Baldurs Gate
Alyx Vance (halflife)
Faith (mirrors edge)
April Ryan (Longest Journey)
Zoe (Dreamfall)
That main character from Gray Matter... name escapes me for the moment
Laura

annnnnd.... it's getting really tough for me to think of any other good examples.

So this is 12 examples from 13 years of gaming... yeah, it's not a lot.

[AlexXIV]

I can only answer this question for myself. And the answer is yes because femShep is my canon and most played Shep. If it is worth for Bioware is as always a question of money they make with a feature and how much it costs to put it in. Even if they only sell 10-20 percent more copies with a femShep it may already pay off for them. Because it's not like they have to create a whole new game to get those sales.

[Centauri2002]

I don't think it's up to us to decide what's best, financially, for BioWare. They can make that decision themselves with all the data they have - and they have done. We'd be better off asking if it's worthwhile from a consumer point of view.

[Shadowrun1177]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

You'd probably feel differently if the ratio of women:men starring in games (and movies) like Mass Effect were reversed. Saying that there is one strong female protagonist out of ten is probably an overstatement in gaming. The list of strong females protagonists that I know of is as follows:

Kerrigan (starcraft)
Shodan (robot)
Glados (robot)
Chell (she's a Gordan Freeman type of character)
Revan
The Bhaalspawn from Baldurs Gate
Alyx Vance (halflife)
Faith (mirrors edge)
April Ryan (Longest Journey)
Zoe (Dreamfall)
That main character from Gray Matter... name escapes me for the moment
Laura

annnnnd.... it's getting really tough for me to think of any other good examples.

So this is 12 examples from 13 years of gaming... yeah, it's not a lot.

I don't know why you would include Revan on your list of female characters since in KotoR like Mass Effect Revan can be male or female, also adding in the fact that Revan is stated as male in Star Wars cannon. The Exile from KotoR2 would be a better example since it's established cannon the the Exile is female. 

[andy6915]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...
Kerrigan (starcraft)
Shodan (robot)
Glados (robot)
Chell (she's a Gordan Freeman type of character)
Revan
The Bhaalspawn from Baldurs Gate
Alyx Vance (halflife)
Faith (mirrors edge)
April Ryan (Longest Journey)
Zoe (Dreamfall)
That main character from Gray Matter... name escapes me for the moment
Laura

annnnnd.... it's getting really tough for me to think of any other good examples.

So this is 12 examples from 13 years of gaming... yeah, it's not a lot.

You did not... DID NOT just fail to mention Samus Aran on that list!? Hello, she was the first female playable protaginist in a video game ever! Not mentioning Samus on that list is just... A crime.

On that note, my first female Shepard (who was my first Shepard altogether actually) was named Samus Shepard, and Samus Aran was the inspiration.

Modifié par andy69156915, 06 février 2012 - 12:48 .

[Biobleh]

Guess Tetris posted another thread that requires critical thinking and discussion.

No wonder we've got so many maggots here calling this a troll thread.

[tetrisblock4x1]

Samus can't make the list because Square gave her the George Lucas treatment.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 06 février 2012 - 01:00 .

[Sia_Sinblade]

It'd be hugely amusing if BioWare at some point decided to create a canon Shepard and decided to make it femShep.

Not gonna happen, but it WOULD be amusing. XD

[andy6915]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Samus can't make the list because Square gave her the George Lucas treatment.

Square? Sqaure Enix, who does Final Fantasy... Doing a Metroid game?


What drugs are you on? Seriously, I want some.

Modifié par andy69156915, 06 février 2012 - 01:02 .

[Costin_Razvan]

To be completely frank on this. I like playing female Shepard right now a hell lot more then I like playing male Shepard. Hell some of my fondest memories of playing Mass Effect 2 are from my 2nd female Shepard.

Maybe that's because I played over a dozen runs as a male Shepard and only 3 ( one of which is in progress atm ) as a female, but as a male Shepard I play as an avatar of mine, whereas on a female I've made more interesting choices that ultimately led me to replay my cannon male to kill off some squad mates.

That said I strongly feel that giving the player the decision to pick a gender has an overall negative effect on the writing, since Bioware must ALWAYS account for it. I wouldn't mind if future PCs are female only mind you, hell I would embrace it and I'm a guy, but I'm not naive enough to expect that would go down well with the vast majority of the fanbase.

As for Meer vs Hale: I have to agree that Hale is far better then Meer on everything except epic speeches and Renegade. 

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 06 février 2012 - 01:18 .