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[nitefyre410]

FaddeZ wrote...

Cerberus are working for the Reapers in ME3. All I want to know is why?!

 

TIM  letting his EGO and  ambition get in the  way reason .. he thinks he can control the Reapers. 

No  I have read the leaks, this is just he impression that I get. 

[Kasen]

Arcian wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...

Lycidas wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Did we really need another Saphra/Lotion thread?

You got to give them credit for pure stubbornness though...

They definately have a bright future in politics... or journalism...

Not every journalistic institution is like Fox News, you know. In fact, very few are.

I never mentioned Fox News... keep dreaming if you really believe they don't all have an agenda.

[FaddeZ]

nitefyre410 wrote...

FaddeZ wrote...

Cerberus are working for the Reapers in ME3. All I want to know is why?!

 

TIM  letting his EGO and  ambition get in the  way reason .. he thinks he can control the Reapers. 

I think he MAY BE AWESOME! I mean what if we are all being foolish, and he want from Reapers to kill other races and give their technology to him so he can destroy them! Personally. With his EGO or their technology or whatever.

[PrinceLionheart]

Cerberus is idiots. Considering the amount of teams go awal and how many times their own research blow up in their face, I honestly don't know why people always try to justify their incompetent asses.

[FaddeZ]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Cerberus is idiots. Considering the amount of teams go awal and how many times their own research blow up in their face, I honestly don't know why people always try to justify their incompetent asses.

Well it's better than do nothing!

[Ricvenart]

I wouldn't say anyone part of Cerberus is Evil. I always felt that it's more a case that TIM has less control and knowlegde of everything that goes on at the different bases then he'd like others to believe and he believes. But he does put too much pressure on all the scientist who are willing to break ethics and laws.
The Rachni soldier project - Miranda said it was stop as soon as they found out they were intelligent, not just animals, something most people don't know due to them just being completely wiped out which is apparently okay but not okay to experiment on them and it's okay to lower a species birth rate.
Overlord - All the logs state TIM had no idea what they were doing to get results, just that once they had them he'd overlook it. If you do hand him over he is supposedly looked after while trying to further the information, Im not saying its all daisies but better then without his knowlegde of being hooked up into a horrid device all day long.
Project Zero - Again Simalar case to both overlord and the Rachni, the scientists pushed too hard chose to do the things they did. The project ended once it was discovered and nothing simalar restarted. You could actually place some of the blame for this on Alien species unwilling to share technology and knowlegde to the new comers who are just trying to understand it all and catch up with some who've had centuries to do the same.

I don't like them or agree with them but still too much blame and "horror" is placed at thier feet when things like wiping out a species or council approved genetic warfare is deemed ok.

[Phaedon]

Mr Massakka wrote...
They basically gave the galaxy a chance of defeating the Reapers with reviving Shepard.

Lol consequentialism. Can we talk about how beating a cat with a bat and running over it accidentally is morally the same?

Shepard survived and succeeded in spite of Cerberus. You know, the guys who decided to kill him and potentially doom the galaxy because they have different goals than you do?

They were the ones who acted when thousands of humans were taken by the collectors.

They weren't the only. Vega's squad actually got intel on the Collectors. What did TIM do in the meantime? Drink bourbon?

Off topic: Actually, EA is much like Cerberus. They release and merchandise your favorite games, even with questionable methods like Origin.

The only difference between questionable programs and abducting children or causing cancer is minor to you, I suppose.

[Dave of Canada]

FaddeZ wrote...

Cerberus are working for the Reapers in ME3. All I want to know is why?!

A plot device which removes all characterization from any character which the Bioware writers deems necessary to use on most characters which the players dislike.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 06 février 2012 - 03:24 .

[Phaedon]

Dave of Canada wrote...

FaddeZ wrote...

Cerberus are working for the Reapers in ME3. All I want to know is why?!

A plot device which removes all characterization from any character which the Bioware writers deems necessary to use on most characters which the players dislike.

Sorry. I forgot that "we know more about the characters than the writers that create them".

[Lycidas]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Lycidas wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Cerberus and STG are necessary - because the mass's don't want to know what it really takes the to keep them safe and sound. Cerberus as organization has to continue exist. TIM on the other believes he is the organization , nope he just a man, a once good man who set to do right. He stared in the abyss and it started back the problem is he blinked. Now Cerberus needs a new director and its time for TIM to get the retirement package.

You need to stop comparing a government enforced and regulated secret service organization with an illegal Black Ops organization such as Cerberus. You're basically comparing democracy with anarchy...

Why what does them being goverment sanctioned or not goverment sanctioned have to do with the nature of the work they do... nothing.

Wow do you honestly believe in what you just wrote there?
So in your opinion vigilantism is just as good as a court case?
You either don't understand or don't value democratic mechanisms I'm afraid. Not sure which is worse...

[hawat333]

saracen16 wrote...


Only that the STG did not invade the Quarian flotilla, unleash thresher maws on Akuze, and perform experiments on unwilling human colonists. 

Genophage?


No, I get it, the krogan were a threat, a threat that must have been taken seriously. I'm just saying sometimes it's hard to judge the objectives from the methods alone, at least when you don't have the opportunity to look into the big scheme. Which we don't.
I think Cerberus will be degraded to the common, everyday bad guy status, but there could be something more. Was Karpyshyn writing the story, there would be.

[Someone With Mass]

Their motive seems pretty consistent to me. They want to control an alien race so they can in its turn control everything/put humanity on top/whatever bad excuse they have for doing it.

Just like all the other times they have tried to control aliens.

[Phaedon]

Lycidas wrote...
You either don't understand or don't value democratic mechanisms I'm afraid. Not sure which is worse...

Just wait till the "lol democracy" guy gets here.

[Arkitekt]

MAZ77 wrote...

Clearly Balkan wrote...

To me they're like a secret society for prosperity of human kind. Always ever present but lurking in shadows all the time and pulling strings.

Looking forward to continue my renegade Shepard in ME3 & continuation of cooperation w/ Cerberus & Illusive Man in ME3 no matter how bad they are. 

I like Cerberus. 

Brace yourself for a HUGE disappointment.

Here we go again.

Oh wait, it already went. <_<

[nitefyre410]

Lycidas wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Lycidas wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Cerberus and STG are necessary - because the mass's don't want to know what it really takes the to keep them safe and sound. Cerberus as organization has to continue exist. TIM on the other believes he is the organization , nope he just a man, a once good man who set to do right. He stared in the abyss and it started back the problem is he blinked. Now Cerberus needs a new director and its time for TIM to get the retirement package.

You need to stop comparing a government enforced and regulated secret service organization with an illegal Black Ops organization such as Cerberus. You're basically comparing democracy with anarchy...

Why what does them being goverment sanctioned or not goverment sanctioned have to do with the nature of the work they do... nothing.

Wow do you honestly believe in what you just wrote there?
So in your opinion vigilantism is just as good as a court case?
You either don't understand or don't value democratic mechanisms I'm afraid. Not sure which is worse...

  


What ever makes you sleep better at night... really does not matter  to  me what you  think  I understand or don't understand.  

nor is this place to have  debate  about the  merits and/or failings of the Democratic mechanism or the legal system. 

[Arkitekt]

To put it more bluntly, I do not think anyone has ever voted on the existence of governmental "black ops" (i.e., CIA, MI6, etc.)

[Giantdeathrobot]

If Cerberus had been the STG, they would have just sterilized the Krogans because ''it's the neccessary thing to do!! Don't you see?? We are ruthless and uncaring, and thus more intelligent than those moralist fools!!''. As long as TIM is running the show, they are little better than terrorists playing with syringes. iven that he is such an obvious control freak, I seriously doubt his excuse that he didn't know about the harshest experments of his organization.

Pure evil? Nah, nothing is pure evil. Idiotic, unneccesary, short-sighted, way too ruthless and sadistic? Yeah.

[Sebbe1337o]

They are a necessary evil imo. Some of their ideas have good intentions, some succeed, some fail miserably.

Bringing Shepard back was their biggest triumph, the rest of their ideas were pretty stupid, most of the time anyways.

[Slayer299]

Slidell505 wrote...

They were an unkown in ME1
Morally grey in ME2
In ME3 they're more or less team rocket from what I can tell. They show up out of no where just to screw with Shepard. They keep on trying to steal his pokemon too, ****ing annoying as ****.

LOL
 
Slidell, when did they stop being Jessie and James in ME2? I must have missed the memo on that escapade...

[Arkitekt]

Giantdeathrobot wrote...

If Cerberus had been the STG, they would have just sterilized the Krogans because ''it's the neccessary thing to do!!

Except you have no evidence of this but your own prejudice. I enjoy seeing people make **** up, but at least notice, it's still made up ****, not actual evidence.

Don't you see?? We are ruthless and uncaring, and thus more intelligent than those moralist fools!!''. As long as TIM is running the show, they are little better than terrorists playing with syringes. iven that he is such an obvious control freak, I seriously doubt his excuse that he didn't know about the harshest experments of his organization.

And yet Mordin was quite forgiving of Cerberus in ME2, isn't that curious?

Pure evil? Nah, nothing is pure evil. Idiotic, unneccesary, short-sighted, way too ruthless and sadistic? Yeah.

Here we go again.

[Kasen]

Giantdeathrobot wrote...

If Cerberus had been the STG, they would have just sterilized the Krogans because ''it's the neccessary thing to do!! Don't you see?? We are ruthless and uncaring, and thus more intelligent than those moralist fools!!''. As long as TIM is running the show, they are little better than terrorists playing with syringes. iven that he is such an obvious control freak, I seriously doubt his excuse that he didn't know about the harshest experments of his organization.

Pure evil? Nah, nothing is pure evil. Idiotic, unneccesary, short-sighted, way too ruthless and sadistic? Yeah.

While I agree with you for the most part, I do think the word evil applies to Cerberus... once you cross the line from science to torture, yeah - you're evil. (edited to add: Someone With Mass provides a perfect example in the post below)

As for the above post, Mordin is undoubtedly a results-oriented kind of guy, but even he points out that there are lines which are not to be crossed.

Modifié par Kasen13, 06 février 2012 - 04:01 .

[Someone With Mass]

I have yet to see the justification for injecting soldiers with thresher maw venom other than being douchebags.

[CroGamer002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I have yet to see the justification for injecting soldiers with thresher maw venom other than being douchebags.

Retcon.