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[Slayer299]

??? How so?

[Arkitekt]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

Bringing Shepard back was their biggest triumph, the rest of their ideas were pretty stupid, most of the time anyways.

Overlord is interesting. It does point to a disaster, but a potentially (if you choose renegade) successful one. The Omega debacle is also a success for Cerberus. The suicide mission is an amazing success with huge benefits to Cerberus. Their mission to defend the council from a batarian attack is also successful.

[DJBare]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I have yet to see the justification for injecting soldiers with thresher maw venom other than being douchebags.

No no, you got it all wrong, these folk don't need justification, they just need the words "neccessary evil"; it's ok to run torturous tests on people so long as you have those words

[Someone With Mass]

Mesina2 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I have yet to see the justification for injecting soldiers with thresher maw venom other than being douchebags.

Retcon.

Oh right, the whole Illusive Man deal.

...

Wait, why did Cerberus need that guy at all? If anything, he's just hurting them.

[Arkitekt]

DJBare wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I have yet to see the justification for injecting soldiers with thresher maw venom other than being douchebags.

No no, you got it all wrong, these folk don't need justification, they just need the words "neccessary evil"; it's ok to run torturous tests on people so long as you have those words

I'm unfamiliar with the details. Do we know the full context? And let's not be naive, most covert ops even today do entertain the most despicable actions. Let us be glad we aren't in the know, for it would most certainly be depressing.

[Clayless]

They'll be the good guys if they win.

History has a way of justifying the winning side. That's why you can kill hundreds of thousands of civillians with nukes and detain people indefinately and torture them without much opposition.

[Lycidas]

DJBare wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I have yet to see the justification for injecting soldiers with thresher maw venom other than being douchebags.

No no, you got it all wrong, these folk don't need justification, they just need the words "neccessary evil"; it's ok to run torturous tests on people so long as you have those words

True everything is fine as long as it's done with "good intentions"...

[Dave of Canada]

DJBare wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I have yet to see the justification for injecting soldiers with thresher maw venom other than being douchebags.

No no, you got it all wrong, these folk don't need justification, they just need the words "neccessary evil"; it's ok to run torturous tests on people so long as you have those words

Dunno, I mean your straw drawing is a necessary evil to prove your "point"... right?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 06 février 2012 - 04:10 .

[incinerator950]

DJBare wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I have yet to see the justification for injecting soldiers with thresher maw venom other than being douchebags.

No no, you got it all wrong, these folk don't need justification, they just need the words "neccessary evil"; it's ok to run torturous tests on people so long as you have those words

No, you're right.  I have no idea what the point of Thresher Acid being injecting into Soldiers.  Biggest guess is to see the effects of it, as if an entire unit of fifty something soldiers wasn't enough.

[Arkitekt]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

That's why you can kill hundreds of thousands of civillians with nukes and detain people indefinately and torture them without much opposition.

Troll detected.

[Dave of Canada]

Phaedon wrote...

Sorry. I forgot that "we know more about the characters than the writers that create them".

Because indoctrinating everybody requires so much writing talent, it's absurd.

Thank god nobody cares about writing quality on these boards.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 06 février 2012 - 04:12 .

[DJBare]

Arkitekt wrote...

I'm unfamiliar with the details. Do we know the full context?

I don't know the full context, I'm also one who accepts neccassary evils, but not as an excuse for our actions, they inject a soldier with thresher maw acid, I don't care what the reasons were, all I know is that soldier suffered greatly.

I'll go back to what I said earlier, those who accept cerburus methods should be the ones who volunteer for thngs such as being injected with thresher maw acid, then say it was a neccassary evil.

[VolusvsReaper]

Adugan wrote...

 Are they good or evil?

Illusive Man thinks he is good along with Cerberus's role in the universe although he knows what he is doing is highly unethical the majority of the time he feels sacrifing hundreds for the good of millions = good in the end.

Personally I think they are just a bunch of racist pricks and will enjoy stabbing Kai Leng to death with a sharpend tooth brush and probably killing the illusive man because he would end up getting off like Casey Anthony if he went to trial.

[nitefyre410]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I have yet to see the justification for injecting soldiers with thresher maw venom other than being douchebags.

Retcon.

Oh right, the whole Illusive Man deal.

...

Wait, why did Cerberus need that guy at all? If anything, he's just hurting them.

 

Bioware's inability to  create and interesting antagonist that id serves a driving force against  the main character.   Well there was Seran but he had   5 mintues of   screen time till he took the bullet to the  head.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 06 février 2012 - 04:17 .

[Arkitekt]

DJBare wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

I'm unfamiliar with the details. Do we know the full context?

I don't know the full context, I'm also one who accepts neccassary evils, but not as an excuse for our actions, they inject a soldier with thresher maw acid, I don't care what the reasons were, all I know is that soldier suffered greatly.

I'll go back to what I said earlier, those who accept cerburus methods should be the ones who volunteer for thngs such as being injected with thresher maw acid, then say it was a neccassary evil.

American soldiers tortured and played with iraqui detainees, humilliating them with sexualized positions and photos, etc.,etc., therefore the american army is evil because I don't care about context.

Modifié par Arkitekt, 06 février 2012 - 04:17 .

[Someone With Mass]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Bioware's inability to  create and interesting antagonist that id serves a driving force against  the main character.   Well there was Seran but he had   5 mintues of   screen time till he took the bullet to the  head.

Harbinger could have done that.

If he wasn't so obnoxious, that is.

[Arkitekt]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Bioware's inability to  create and interesting antagonist that id serves a driving force against  the main character.   Well there was Seran but he had   5 mintues of   screen time till he took the bullet to the  head.

5 minutes? What is this I don't even

[Indoctrinated Spectre]

Keep in mind that Reaper artifacts possess indoctrination capabilities[Arrival]. When the Illusive man was exposed to one of these artifacts, his eyes changed to this robotic blue hue, much like Saren's and somewhat like the Husks.

Whether he is still the same Jack Harper remains to be seen in ME3. Also, we can't overlook the fact that his orgnization rebuilt us from scratch..In a sense. We'll see how that unravels in the new installment. We know the Illusive Man makes an effort to stay steps ahead of the competition.

[VolusvsReaper]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I have yet to see the justification for injecting soldiers with thresher maw venom other than being douchebags.

Retcon.

Oh right, the whole Illusive Man deal.

...

Wait, why did Cerberus need that guy at all? If anything, he's just hurting them.

 

Bioware's inability to  create and interesting antagonist that id serves a driving force against  the main character.   Well there was Seran but he had   5 mintues of   screen time till he took the bullet to the  head.

Better than...a arrow in the knee.....

[Clayless]

Arkitekt wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

That's why you can kill hundreds of thousands of civillians with nukes and detain people indefinately and torture them without much opposition.

Troll detected.

How can you call me a troll and then go on to elaborate what I said just a few posts later?

Also the entire argument is about the ends justifying the means. There are people saying they don't, and some saying they do. Nuking civillains is pretty extreme and was a perfect analogy for this situation.

[DJBare]

Arkitekt wrote...

American soldiers tortured and played with iraqui detainees, humilliating them with sexualized positions and photos, etc.,etc., therefore the american army is evil because I don't care about context.

I don't listen to propaganda, if my father taught me one thing well, don't trust propaganda talk, look deeper than supposed historical facts, best example was growing up believing indians were the bad guys thanks to the victor writing the history.

[nitefyre410]

Someone With Mass wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Bioware's inability to  create and interesting antagonist that id serves a driving force against  the main character.   Well there was Seran but he had   5 mintues of   screen time till he took the bullet to the  head.

Harbinger could have done that.

If he wasn't so obnoxious, that is.

 

Harbinger  could have and it would  have been awesome but..

VolusvsReaper wrote...

Better than...a arrow in the knee.....[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

 

Best  villians EVER... those arrows to the  knee have taken out  a many of would  be adventures and heros.  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 06 février 2012 - 04:29 .

[nitefyre410]

*delete double post* 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 06 février 2012 - 04:29 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Some people are forgetting the Genophage was *not* deployed by the Salarians or even intended to be deployed. They created the virus as a deterrent against their own worlds being invaded.

The Turians then decided to deploy it unilaterally since its their doctrine to decimate an enemy so that they can never be a threat again.

They take a lot of flak for making it in the first place, sure, but humans make and test viruses all the time without intention of releasing them.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 06 février 2012 - 04:46 .