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So... Cerberus is not clear to me.


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Wtf..why would TIM want to do that?.. I don't get it. It clearly seems like technology that can't be controlled. What a flippin idiot.


[ !!! SPOILER ALERT !!! ]

Actually, TIM is spot on. Controlling the reapers IS possible and if you know the alternative, you'll realize that controlling the reapers is actually DESIRABLE if you want (one of) the best ending(s).

TIM is a genius who was right all along.

[ / END SPOILER ]

Modifié par Luc0s, 06 février 2012 - 06:02 .


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God damnit Luc0s.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

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Sorry. I forgot that "we know more about the characters than the writers that create them".


Because indoctrinating everybody requires so much writing talent, it's absurd.

Thank god nobody cares about writing quality on these boards.

I know, right? It's almost as if they're begging for a linear, mindless popamole shooter that doesn't require you to think on moral dilemmas or anything...

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incinerator950 wrote...

God damnit Luc0s.


Whooops forgot spoiler tags. :whistle:

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lightsnow13 wrote...

Wtf..why would TIM want to do that?.. I don't get it. It clearly seems like technology that can't be controlled. What a flippin idiot.


TIM has spent a lot of time trying to control things that can't be controlled. Hell, that's 80% of your interaction with Cerberus projects in ME1.

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FaddeZ wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

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Cerberus are working for the Reapers in ME3. All I want to know is why?!


Cerberus ISN'T working for the Reapers in ME3... at least... not ALL of Cerberus is working for the reapers...

They IS. [list]Cerberus is working for the Reapers. [PCG]
docs.google.com/document/d/1fqkkv2lENGWWnxv_QmVVIHwblxpgWH0RnnG4ccXpOYo/edit


I think sacrificing you to the Penguing God, or the Blood God, will be a good thing for all of us.

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Sorry. I forgot that "we know more about the characters than the writers that create them".


Because indoctrinating everybody requires so much writing talent, it's absurd.

Thank god nobody cares about writing quality on these boards.

I know, right? It's almost as if they're begging for a linear, mindless popamole shooter that doesn't require you to think on moral dilemmas or anything...


Because Cerberus really brought that to the table with their whole "necessary losses" mentality.

Legion's and Mordin's loyalty missions were far better in that department.

TIM was the reason Cerberus became so utterly one-sided. Cerberus would have done just fine without him if they had gone with the ME1 route.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Sorry. I forgot that "we know more about the characters than the writers that create them".


Because indoctrinating everybody requires so much writing talent, it's absurd.

Thank god nobody cares about writing quality on these boards.

I know, right? It's almost as if they're begging for a linear, mindless popamole shooter that doesn't require you to think on moral dilemmas or anything...


Because Cerberus really brought that to the table with their whole "necessary losses" mentality.

Legion's and Mordin's loyalty missions were far better in that department.

TIM was the reason Cerberus became so utterly one-sided. Cerberus would have done just fine without him if they had gone with the ME1 route.


True, but then Cerberus wouldn't be anything but a rogue agency without him.

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Here we go again...

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Arkitekt wrote...

The fact that no one believes that story anymore is a falsification to this ridiculous theory.

It's not rediculous, it's a lesson, that's why I always suggest people look deeper into what they percieve as fact.

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incinerator950 wrote...

True, but then Cerberus wouldn't be anything but a rogue agency without him.


Is that really such a bad thing, though?

They could have been far more believable if they hadn't gone for the cliche cartoon shady organization with some pompous ****** as their leader in ME2.

There was absolutely no need to go that far to be able to do what they did in ME2 as well.

I'm all for having a special agency that's ordered to carry out the tasks that nobody else can handle, but they really went the wrong way with Cerberus.

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^They got better in Invasion.

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WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Oh its certainly doesn't make them angels. They developed a virus that could cull the population of an entire species. That's some sick stuff.

But, the turians took the very first chance they had to infect the Krogan with it. Speaks volumes on their military doctrine.

It wasn't that simple. 
For one the despite winning battles, the Krogan just kept coming because their numbers replenished so quickly.
And the Krogan turned planetoids into WMD against Turian worlds.
 

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Poison_Berrie wrote...

It wasn't that simple. 
For one the despite winning battles, the Krogan just kept coming because their numbers replenished so quickly.
And the Krogan turned planetoids into WMD against Turian worlds.
 


Which means every Krogan deserves to suffer the death of their species.  And if they're starting to develop against it as a species, it needs to be reapplied, just in case?

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Mesina2 wrote...

^They got better in Invasion.


Not really.

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is your only chance to survive after studying the collector base and find the weakness of the reapers. Then the tool for Human Dominance.

So, best organization atm.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^They got better in Invasion.


Not really.


So they were not bad from the start!

(TROLLFACE) :wizard:

Omega can still be counted as a success.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^They got better in Invasion.


Not really.


Image IPB



You take that back.

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Arkitekt wrote...

So they were not bad from the start!

(TROLLFACE) :wizard:

Omega can still be counted as a success.


What was even the point in capturing Omega, though?

They made it clear that Omega's destruction would mean nothing to them, so why even bother in the first place?

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 06 février 2012 - 06:33 .


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Someone With Mass wrote...

What was even the point in capturing Omega, though?

They made it clear that Omega's destruction would mean nothing to them, so why even bother in the first place?


Bluff.

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Poison_Berrie wrote...


WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Oh its certainly doesn't make them angels. They developed a virus that could cull the population of an entire species. That's some sick stuff.

But, the turians took the very first chance they had to infect the Krogan with it. Speaks volumes on their military doctrine.

It wasn't that simple. 
For one the despite winning battles, the Krogan just kept coming because their numbers replenished so quickly.
And the Krogan turned planetoids into WMD against Turian worlds.
 


You can be justified but still morally bankrupt. No matter the excuse that kind of warfare is some really messed up stuff. Would I have done it? Damn right, I would. I'd have cut their birth rate to near zero, and slowly build it back up while integrating Krogan *properly* into society. 

It really is that simple from a moral perspective. It was wrong. But when the price of morality is the death of absolutely everyone you know and love, it becomes a lot easier to say screw it.

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What was even the point in capturing Omega, though?

They made it clear that Omega's destruction would mean nothing to them, so why even bother in the first place?


No,
they wanted Omega intact but if they couldn't have it they were not
going to leave it to Aria who might come looking for revenge or further
unite the mercenaries under threat of invasion.

They wanted Omega as a re-supply and docking port for their operations past the Omega-4, if I remember correctly.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 06 février 2012 - 06:38 .


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Mesina2 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

What was even the point in capturing Omega, though?

They made it clear that Omega's destruction would mean nothing to them, so why even bother in the first place?


Bluff.


The station itself might not be so important. Or at least not as important to Cerberus as it was to Aria.

What was important was for Cerberus to secure the system that harbors Omega 4 relay.

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lightsnow13 wrote...

Wtf..why would TIM want to do that?.. I don't get it. It clearly seems like technology that can't be controlled. What a flippin idiot.



What hogwash. Suck talk falls into "witches and bad omes" category.
All technology can be understood and controlled.
It is nothing more than a tool. A tool humantiy can and must muster.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

True, but then Cerberus wouldn't be anything but a rogue agency without him.


Is that really such a bad thing, though?

They could have been far more believable if they hadn't gone for the cliche cartoon shady organization with some pompous ****** as their leader in ME2.

There was absolutely no need to go that far to be able to do what they did in ME2 as well.

I'm all for having a special agency that's ordered to carry out the tasks that nobody else can handle, but they really went the wrong way with Cerberus.


A lot of things are looking that way in Mass Effect to be frank.

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Slidell505 wrote...

They were an unkown in ME1
Morally grey in ME2
In ME3 they're more or less team rocket from what I can tell. They show up out of no where just to screw with Shepard. They keep on trying to steal his pokemon too, ****ing annoying as ****.


AHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Best.  Post.  Ever.

Team Cerberus blast off at the speed of light!
Miranda!  Jacob!