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[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Because Cerberus really brought that to the table with their whole "necessary losses" mentality.

Legion's and Mordin's loyalty missions were far better in that department.

TIM was the reason Cerberus became so utterly one-sided. Cerberus would have done just fine without him if they had gone with the ME1 route.

A broken toaster and a war criminal?

Excuse me if I find TIM far more appealing than those two 2D cut-outs.

[Arkitekt]

Well, SWM you are talking in a writing sense, right? Because in lore terms, TIM created cerberus.... so of course he leads it...

[Lotion Soronarr]

lightsnow13 wrote...

 Well, I hope they explain it thoroughly as to why it's something to consider. So far, the reapers seem absolutely unbeatable. I can't really imagine myself, even if it is potentially a better choice, choosing to control the reapers. There could potentially be factors we are unable to conceive.

There ALWAYS are....

[Jake_Cerberus]

Adugan wrote...

 Are they good or evil?

Maybe cerberus is passive-agressive and frien/foe. Just Like GLADOS.

[Someone With Mass]

Arkitekt wrote...

Well, SWM you are talking in a writing sense, right? Because in lore terms, TIM created cerberus.... so of course he leads it...

Not in ME1. There, they were just a splinter faction of the Alliance, which honestly was more than enough.

[Someone With Mass]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...
They wanted Omega as a re-supply and docking port for their operations past the Omega-4, if I remember correctly.

Wow, that is so pointless.

They can establish their own bases all the other times, so why change now and make God knows how many enemies that can sabotage their supply lines in the process? Not to mention all the manpower they lost during that attack. That's just dumb.

[CroGamer002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...
They wanted Omega as a re-supply and docking port for their operations past the Omega-4, if I remember correctly.

Wow, that is so pointless.

They can establish their own bases all the other times, so why change now and make God knows how many enemies that can sabotage their supply lines in the process? Not to mention all the manpower they lost during that attack. That's just dumb.

It's a good strategic location.

You will need to deal with Omega first before going through Omega 4 Relay.


Plus, it's possible you can turn on and off Omega 4 Relay( and every others) from Omega.

[Arkitekt]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

Well, SWM you are talking in a writing sense, right? Because in lore terms, TIM created cerberus.... so of course he leads it...

Not in ME1. There, they were just a splinter faction of the Alliance, which honestly was more than enough.

Exactly, you are speaking in terms of writing.

[Arkitekt]

Mesina2 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...
They wanted Omega as a re-supply and docking port for their operations past the Omega-4, if I remember correctly.

Wow, that is so pointless.

They can establish their own bases all the other times, so why change now and make God knows how many enemies that can sabotage their supply lines in the process? Not to mention all the manpower they lost during that attack. That's just dumb.

It's a good strategic location.

You will need to deal with Omega first before going through Omega 4 Relay.


Plus, it's possible you can turn on and off Omega 4 Relay( and every others) from Omega.

As I said, it's defending Omega 4 relay. It's such a basic point, I can't understand why is it so difficult for some people to get it.

[Bleachrude]

I'm not sure using the STG is a good comparison...

mordin explictly points out that the STG could've wiped them out and be done with it but instead simply restricted their breeding rate to basically pre-Industrial level Tuchanka...

I never get the impression that Cerebus would've even gone that far...They would've simply killed them all.

[WizenSlinky0]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Wow, that is so pointless.

They can establish their own bases all the other times, so why change now and make God knows how many enemies that can sabotage their supply lines in the process? Not to mention all the manpower they lost during that attack. That's just dumb.

You'd normally have to set up a base as close as possible. Most Cerberus bases tend to be repurposed, rather than created from scratch, I think.

TIM has screwed Aria quite a bit at that point. What if she starts "authorizing" raids on Cerberus convoys going through the relay? It can really screw up their plans. He took the inititize to neutralize the threat of Aria.

[Someone With Mass]

Mesina2 wrote...

It's a good strategic location.

You will need to deal with Omega first before going through Omega 4 Relay.

Plus, it's possible you can turn on and off Omega 4 Relay( and every others) from Omega.

So then they decide to ****** off pretty much every mercenary organization on Omega and its former leader just to make it slightly more convenient for them?

I can't really say that the profit weighs more than the losses on that one, based on the size of the mercenary groups.

Launching an attack of that scale based on a hunch/theory is even more absurd.

Not to mention that they're interfering with the lives of millions of people.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 06 février 2012 - 07:34 .

[Sigyn2011]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Because Cerberus really brought that to the table with their whole "necessary losses" mentality.

Legion's and Mordin's loyalty missions were far better in that department.

TIM was the reason Cerberus became so utterly one-sided. Cerberus would have done just fine without him if they had gone with the ME1 route.

A broken toaster and a war criminal?

Excuse me if I find TIM far more appealing than those two 2D cut-outs.

I found TIM's character extremely interesting, but don't agree with a lot that Cerberus has done.  It doesn't mean that I'm a huge Alliance fan either (especially since it took them 20+ yrs to finally give them the old heave-ho).  Acquiring technology that you know will have the likelihood of controlling or destroying you doesn't seem like the most intelligent decision.  In fact, very early on before he was TIM, Jack Harper was pleading with the turians not to use that artifact that they had found.  He saw how dangerous it was, and now we see how his interaction with the artifact has corrupted him.

[Arkitekt]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

It's a good strategic location.

You will need to deal with Omega first before going through Omega 4 Relay.

Plus, it's possible you can turn on and off Omega 4 Relay( and every others) from Omega.

So then they decide to ****** off pretty much every mercenary organization on Omega and its former leader just to make it slightly more convenient for them?

I can't really say that the profit weighs more than the losses on that one, based on the size of the mercenary groups.

Launching an attack of that scale based on a hunch/theory is even more absurd.

Not to mention that they're interfering with the lives of millions of people.

It matters little since the Reapers are about to arrive. Cerberus isn't there to hold Omega for months against the mercs. The mercs will have their asses very busy when the Reapers arrive.

[CroGamer002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

It's a good strategic location.

You will need to deal with Omega first before going through Omega 4 Relay.

Plus, it's possible you can turn on and off Omega 4 Relay( and every others) from Omega.

So then they decide to ****** off pretty much every mercenary organization on Omega and its former leader just to make it slightly more convenient for them?

I can't really say that the profit weighs more than the losses on that one, based on the size of the mercenary groups.

Launching an attack of that scale based on a hunch/theory is even more absurd.

Not to mention that they're interfering with the lives of millions of people.

They didn't wanted to ****** off those merc groups, but those guys didn't take them seriously so they had to show them they mean business.

Plus, with merc groups there would be risk for smuggling their enemies for sneak attack( mercs care only for money) AND with Reapers on horizon, pissing them off is least thing to worry about.

Also basing attack on hunch/theory?
What?

As for interfering with lives of millions of people?
It's not like life on Omega was good with Aria. I don't think they'll notice a difference.

Unless they start to indoctrinated and make husk experiments.
But that would be betrayal for Oleg's character. Mac Walters would never do that.

[Someone With Mass]

Arkitekt wrote...

It matters little since the Reapers are about to arrive. Cerberus isn't there to hold Omega for months against the mercs. The mercs will have their asses very busy when the Reapers arrive.

I guess. 

It just seems so intensely wasteful.

[Arkitekt]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

It matters little since the Reapers are about to arrive. Cerberus isn't there to hold Omega for months against the mercs. The mercs will have their asses very busy when the Reapers arrive.

I guess. 

It just seems so intensely wasteful.

Yes, but it heavily depends upon Cerberus' intentions regarding Omega and the place beyond Omega 4 relay. I haven't read the script nor have I been spoiled (thus far) about those issues, so I guess I'll know when I play it.

[incinerator950]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

It's a good strategic location.

You will need to deal with Omega first before going through Omega 4 Relay.

Plus, it's possible you can turn on and off Omega 4 Relay( and every others) from Omega.

So then they decide to ****** off pretty much every mercenary organization on Omega and its former leader just to make it slightly more convenient for them?

I can't really say that the profit weighs more than the losses on that one, based on the size of the mercenary groups.

Launching an attack of that scale based on a hunch/theory is even more absurd.

Not to mention that they're interfering with the lives of millions of people.

The writers for these backstories are a little off these days. 

[WizenSlinky0]

aLucidMind wrote...

"One nation's terrorist is another's freedom fighter"

Cerberus are somewhat xenophobic; they don't want to enslave other races. They don't seem to be discriminatory or prejudiced, either. They've actively tried helping other races but the problem is that it was always if they believed it would benefit Humans in some way. They don't want to strip the races of their power, they just want Humans to be the most powerful and influential. Their methods are questionable, however.

Eh, if they thought they could get away with it in one swoop, I guarentee you 100% Cerberus would knock the other races off their throne. TIM would keep them around as soldiers and help with engineering, but he wants humanity to be on the top of everything. He does not desire a balance as you suggest.

Someone With Mass wrote...


So then they decide to ******
off pretty much every mercenary organization on Omega and its former
leader just to make it slightly more convenient for them?

I can't really say that the profit weighs more than the losses on that one, based on the size of the mercenary groups.

Launching an attack of that scale based on a hunch/theory is even more absurd.

Not to mention that they're interfering with the lives of millions of people.

The merceneries will not work together without a figure to rally behind and none of them are capable of doing it.

They will work out of Omega, just as they did while it was under Aria's control, and do the same **** just a different day.

The only threat is if Aria takes Omega back from Cerberus since she can unify them.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 06 février 2012 - 09:00 .

[the almighty moo]

there are no such things as black and white, just varying shades of grey.

Cerberus seem to vary in said shades.

[Medhia Nox]

@the almighty moo: You know this - how?

Just because you want to justify all the things you feel guilty for - doesn't mean there are actual moral shades of grey. Grey morality is simply a panacea for guilt and accountability.

[incinerator950]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

"One nation's terrorist is another's freedom fighter"

Cerberus are somewhat xenophobic; they don't want to enslave other races. They don't seem to be discriminatory or prejudiced, either. They've actively tried helping other races but the problem is that it was always if they believed it would benefit Humans in some way. They don't want to strip the races of their power, they just want Humans to be the most powerful and influential. Their methods are questionable, however.

Eh, if they thought they could get away with it in one swoop, I guarentee you 100% Cerberus would knock the other races off their throne. TIM would keep them around as soldiers and help with engineering, but he wants humanity to be on the top of everything. He does not desire a balance as you suggest.

Someone With Mass wrote...


So then they decide to ******
off pretty much every mercenary organization on Omega and its former
leader just to make it slightly more convenient for them?

I can't really say that the profit weighs more than the losses on that one, based on the size of the mercenary groups.

Launching an attack of that scale based on a hunch/theory is even more absurd.

Not to mention that they're interfering with the lives of millions of people.

The merceneries will not work together without a figure to rally behind and none of them are capable of doing it.

They will work out of Omega, just as they did while it was under Aria's control, and do the same **** just a different day.

The only threat is if Aria takes Omega back from Cerberus since she can unify them.

Yet in ME 2 you confirm the Mercs were planning to kill Aria and take control.

[Carnage752]

They are portrayed and act like villains in ME3. But after paying attention to them I've noticed there is something going on behind Cerberus' back doors. Well, their BACK back doors. The Illusive Man is under outside influence, and indoctrination might not be the entire culprit. More likely than not there will be some opportunity to turn them to the good guys again, if Bioware is smart.