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[WizenSlinky0]

incinerator950 wrote...


Yet in ME 2 you confirm the Mercs were planning to kill Aria and take control.

And what do you think would have happened right afterward? They would have fallen apart and started fighting in the streets again.

Aria is a unifying presence for them because she can get in their heads, but for their leaders, that can also be a problem.

Its really not surprising they wanted her gone yet will follow her.

[incinerator950]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...


Yet in ME 2 you confirm the Mercs were planning to kill Aria and take control.

And what do you think would have happened right afterward? They would have fallen apart and started fighting in the streets again.

Aria is a unifying presence for them because she can get in their heads, but for their leaders, that can also be a problem.

Its really not surprising they wanted her gone yet will follow her.

It is and isn't at the same time.  I'm just glad I haven't read any of the EU for ME.

[KotorEffect3]

I am suprised Saphra hasn't hijacked this thread yet.

[incinerator950]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I am suprised Saphra hasn't hijacked this thread yet.

Don't jynx it please.

[WizenSlinky0]

Say his name three times!

[JBONE27]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

They have great goals with questionable methods.

Because trying to get one of the biggest players of galactic politics even bigger, which the various Alliance divisions already attempt to do is really noble.

It's like saying that EA is noble for trying to make money. 

They basically gave the galaxy a chance of defeating the Reapers with reviving Shepard. They were the ones who acted when thousands of humans were taken by the collectors.

Off topic: Actually, EA is much like Cerberus. They release and merchandise your favorite games, even with questionable methods like Origin.

They're goal is complete human supremicy.  From what I've read they aren't trying to whipe out the Reapers, but use them as slave drivers to crush all other species and decenters underfoot and make them subserviant to their Cerberus overlords.

[Dave of Canada]

So you're jacking it instead with the immature jabs?

[incinerator950]

JBONE27 wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

They have great goals with questionable methods.

Because trying to get one of the biggest players of galactic politics even bigger, which the various Alliance divisions already attempt to do is really noble.

It's like saying that EA is noble for trying to make money. 

They basically gave the galaxy a chance of defeating the Reapers with reviving Shepard. They were the ones who acted when thousands of humans were taken by the collectors.

Off topic: Actually, EA is much like Cerberus. They release and merchandise your favorite games, even with questionable methods like Origin.

They're goal is complete human supremicy.  From what I've read they aren't trying to whipe out the Reapers, but use them as slave drivers to crush all other species and decenters underfoot and make them subserviant to their Cerberus overlords.

If I ever write a stupid fanfic, which will require generous amounts of alcohol, my first  chapter will be a brief, but polite resignation from Cerberus to join those Special Forces for Multiplayer.

When I mean brief and polite, it involves a letter and a bomb.

[InvincibleHero]

Neither. An organization doesn't have morality. It depends on the orders they are given. Most of the Cerberus personnel working with Shepard in ME2 is not what one would define as evil. Yet people can and do do bad things when ordered because of many reasons. They believe in the goal or the group making the order has authority by dint of power, fear, being legal, etc so it is legitimized in some way.

I think it is clear BW labelled them terrorists in ME 2 so that is your answer like it or not. They are written to be the bad guys despite humanizing in ME 2 with co-operating with them. You can do 1000 good deeds and that one bad thing can color you as bad, evil whatever for the rest of your existence. it is why you don't do the bad thing to begin with. IMO they are not as bad as they are made out to be by the Council/Alliance, but are not the benevolent charity or saint either.

[KotorEffect3]

JBONE27 wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

They have great goals with questionable methods.

Because trying to get one of the biggest players of galactic politics even bigger, which the various Alliance divisions already attempt to do is really noble.

It's like saying that EA is noble for trying to make money. 

They basically gave the galaxy a chance of defeating the Reapers with reviving Shepard. They were the ones who acted when thousands of humans were taken by the collectors.

Off topic: Actually, EA is much like Cerberus. They release and merchandise your favorite games, even with questionable methods like Origin.

They're goal is complete human supremicy.  From what I've read they aren't trying to whipe out the Reapers, but use them as slave drivers to crush all other species and decenters underfoot and make them subserviant to their Cerberus overlords.

TIM hints that is why he wanted Shepard to spare the collector base at the end of ME 2.  He talks about how he could have used that base to secure human dominance.  Considering cerberus's long term goals and TIM's ego their turn in ME 3 should come as no suprise.

[JBONE27]

MAZ77 wrote...

Then why did Cerberus save the Citadel from a terrorist attack? This was really stupid if they want to enslave the other races. To do so, they have do divide them, not keep them united through the Citadel.

Bioware's portrayal of Cerberus is inconsistent at best.

The developers really shouldn't have read all those books on World War 2, because they came up with loads of really stupid ideas for ME 3 by doing so. They essentially turned TIM into Hitler and Cerberus into the "Schutzstaffel" (SS) of the 22nd century.

What a disappointment.

Batarians, that's why.  Simply put, if humanity has one constant enemy in the galaxy it is the batarians.  Every member of Cerberus would do anything to thwart any plan by any batraian.  As much as they want to enslave other aliens, they want to destroy and demoralize the batarians more.

[JBONE27]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...

STG is not perfect by any means, but they don't use human guinnea pigs the way Cerberus does. Mordin makes that quite clear on Tuchanka.

Please...spare me the faux morality.

STG killed mroe innocents that Cerberus ever will or can. Experimenting on a few innocents is insignificant compared ot deaths of BILLIONS of krogan children.


Use your brain. STG and similar untis are run by the government/military. You think your government is moral and concenrned with virtues? Such organizations are nothing but a tool of their government - used to do things that shouldn't be doen publicly, things that can be denied.

Saying that there are deaths of billions of krogan childern is like saying that stemcell research is murder.  The birthrate was lowered to 1 in 1000, that's not the same as murder.  Now if you said billions of krogan were killed as a reaction to the semi-sterility plague, then I would be inclined to agree with you, but the krogan did nuke themselves.

[incinerator950]

JBONE27 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...

STG is not perfect by any means, but they don't use human guinnea pigs the way Cerberus does. Mordin makes that quite clear on Tuchanka.

Please...spare me the faux morality.

STG killed mroe innocents that Cerberus ever will or can. Experimenting on a few innocents is insignificant compared ot deaths of BILLIONS of krogan children.


Use your brain. STG and similar untis are run by the government/military. You think your government is moral and concenrned with virtues? Such organizations are nothing but a tool of their government - used to do things that shouldn't be doen publicly, things that can be denied.

Saying that there are deaths of billions of krogan childern is like saying that stemcell research is murder.  The birthrate was lowered to 1 in 1000, that's not the same as murder.  Now if you said billions of krogan were killed as a reaction to the semi-sterility plague, then I would be inclined to agree with you, but the krogan did nuke themselves.

I think its bad to laugh at the Shadow Broker intel on Mordin saying he re-established the 99.9% sterility in Krogan.

[JBONE27]

Kasen13 wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...

Lycidas wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Did we really need another Saphra/Lotion thread?

You got to give them credit for pure stubbornness though...

They definately have a bright future in politics... or journalism...

Not every journalistic institution is like Fox News, you know. In fact, very few are.

I never mentioned Fox News... keep dreaming if you really believe they don't all have an agenda.

CSPAN doesn't it's just a few cameras and various governments working... or doing whatever it is they do.

[JBONE27]

incinerator950 wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...

STG is not perfect by any means, but they don't use human guinnea pigs the way Cerberus does. Mordin makes that quite clear on Tuchanka.

Please...spare me the faux morality.

STG killed mroe innocents that Cerberus ever will or can. Experimenting on a few innocents is insignificant compared ot deaths of BILLIONS of krogan children.


Use your brain. STG and similar untis are run by the government/military. You think your government is moral and concenrned with virtues? Such organizations are nothing but a tool of their government - used to do things that shouldn't be doen publicly, things that can be denied.

Saying that there are deaths of billions of krogan childern is like saying that stemcell research is murder.  The birthrate was lowered to 1 in 1000, that's not the same as murder.  Now if you said billions of krogan were killed as a reaction to the semi-sterility plague, then I would be inclined to agree with you, but the krogan did nuke themselves.

I think its bad to laugh at the Shadow Broker intel on Mordin saying he re-established the 99.9% sterility in Krogan.

Who's laughing?  I'm saying semi-sterility isn't the same as murder.  I compared it to stemcell research because the fertalised eggs that are used in stemcell research will never come to gestation.

[Someone With Mass]

Not to mention that the STG developed the virus in a time of war with the krogans.

They pretty much developed their equivalent to the atomic bomb.

[incinerator950]

JBONE27 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...

STG is not perfect by any means, but they don't use human guinnea pigs the way Cerberus does. Mordin makes that quite clear on Tuchanka.

Please...spare me the faux morality.

STG killed mroe innocents that Cerberus ever will or can. Experimenting on a few innocents is insignificant compared ot deaths of BILLIONS of krogan children.


Use your brain. STG and similar untis are run by the government/military. You think your government is moral and concenrned with virtues? Such organizations are nothing but a tool of their government - used to do things that shouldn't be doen publicly, things that can be denied.

Saying that there are deaths of billions of krogan childern is like saying that stemcell research is murder.  The birthrate was lowered to 1 in 1000, that's not the same as murder.  Now if you said billions of krogan were killed as a reaction to the semi-sterility plague, then I would be inclined to agree with you, but the krogan did nuke themselves.

I think its bad to laugh at the Shadow Broker intel on Mordin saying he re-established the 99.9% sterility in Krogan.

Who's laughing?  I'm saying semi-sterility isn't the same as murder.  I compared it to stemcell research because the fertalised eggs that are used in stemcell research will never come to gestation.

I'm laughing, I probably heard Mordins information on the sterility wrong, but I thought it was around 90% at the time.  Then I saw the Shadow Broker file at 99.9% and a facepalm was the least needed.

[DJBare]

Geeze, it's getting harder and harder to read through any thread without hitting spoilers, the biggest culprits are those using the leaked script to prove their points, please guys, give it a break, your point will be proven when the game is released.

[Poison_Berrie]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Which means every Krogan deserves to suffer the death of their species.  And if they're starting to develop against it as a species, it needs to be reapplied, just in case?

I was merely responding to the someone saying that apparently the Turians jumped on the Genophage first change just because. 
You can't just go point at the Genophage as something that makes Cerberus look like saints, while ignoring everything that leads up to that point.
On the other hand Cerberus can do anything for the greater good, without it often being clear to the player what lead to this, without a clear action that leads to this reaction.

[KotorEffect3]

DJBare wrote...

Geeze, it's getting harder and harder to read through any thread without hitting spoilers, the biggest culprits are those using the leaked script to prove their points, please guys, give it a break, your point will be proven when the game is released.

There are some threads I won't even open because I know some loudmouth will post spoilers.  For example if there is a thread about the reapers origin I won't open it at this point.  I have waited this long I can make it another month.  Not to mention I think some people post spoilers deliberatly just to troll.

[Drone223]

If TIM gets his "human dominance" he wants to be the one calling the shots not Shepard, so what does he do kill off the competition before it becomes a huge problem

Modifié par Drone223, 07 février 2012 - 12:26 .

[JBONE27]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

They have great goals with questionable methods.

Because trying to get one of the biggest players of galactic politics even bigger, which the various Alliance divisions already attempt to do is really noble.

It's like saying that EA is noble for trying to make money. 

They basically gave the galaxy a chance of defeating the Reapers with reviving Shepard. They were the ones who acted when thousands of humans were taken by the collectors.

Off topic: Actually, EA is much like Cerberus. They release and merchandise your favorite games, even with questionable methods like Origin.

They're goal is complete human supremicy.  From what I've read they aren't trying to whipe out the Reapers, but use them as slave drivers to crush all other species and decenters underfoot and make them subserviant to their Cerberus overlords.

TIM hints that is why he wanted Shepard to spare the collector base at the end of ME 2.  He talks about how he could have used that base to secure human dominance.  Considering cerberus's long term goals and TIM's ego their turn in ME 3 should come as no suprise.

Small correction.  He didn't want to save the collectors, just their base.

[Hunter of Legends]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Sorry. I forgot that "we know more about the characters than the writers that create them".

Because indoctrinating everybody requires so much writing talent, it's absurd.

Thank god nobody cares about writing quality on these boards.

Sorry to jump in here but that IS the Repears MO.

[Hunter of Legends]

Someone With Mass wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Bioware's inability to  create and interesting antagonist that id serves a driving force against  the main character.   Well there was Seran but he had   5 mintues of   screen time till he took the bullet to the  head.

Harbinger could have done that.

If he wasn't so obnoxious, that is.

Correction

Harbinger WILL do that.

[TexasToast712]

 I trusted them up until the point the Illusive man told me to keep the Collector base. First thing that popped in my head was. "This guy is going to use the human smoothie machine to make his own Reaper."