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[Spikko]

I think both of them are very good villains in very different ways.
That said, sovereign wins hands down.
Harbinger is strong, manages to kill you and is annoying as hell but sovereign, well, it's scary!
First time I listened to it's dialogue in ME1 I was literally nailed to the chair, it really felt like I was fighting something farr to powerful to be handled by man himself.
I felt the same way again during the battle at the citadel when Sovereign pushes it's way through the cruisers crushing them as they even weren't there.
Harbinger is a good mastermind, Sovereign felt like death.

[atheelogos]

Han Shot First wrote...

DJStarstryker wrote...

The best villains in movies, games, whatever IMO are the ones you love to hate and keep showing up to try to take the protagonist down.

Honestly I think the story works better when the Reaper is the 'background enemy' and Shepard's main antagonist is an indoctrinated  but charismatic minion like Saren. Mass Effect 3 would benefit from another Saren type character that is acting as Shepard's foil.

Problem is ME2 didn't have that. We got stuck with Collectors who have no personality.

[Han Shot First]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Sovereign is emotionless and certain, while Harbinger kind of comes off like a cartoon villain.

This.

Sovereign was emotionless and machinelike, whereas Harbinger emotes.

[atheelogos]

Spikko wrote...

I felt the same way again during the battle at the citadel when Sovereign pushes it's way through the cruisers crushing them as they even weren't there.
Harbinger is a good mastermind, Sovereign felt like death.

I know right?! Sovereign feels lik a souless void. And I mean that in a good way. 

Modifié par atheelogos, 07 février 2012 - 03:02 .

[atheelogos]

Majestic Hedge wrote...

Harbinger got a little cooler when shepard beats the collectors, and harbingers like "you have failed, we will find another way," to the collector general, so, now he's a chessmaster casually tossing aside a pawn.

He was better in "Arrival", but that was kinda too little too late

[Han Shot First]

DrNick1221 wrote...

Well there is the fact sovereigns voice might be the most epic voice, and the there is This

...so that is how Indoctrination works.

[Sidney]

AlanC9 wrote...

Sidney wrote...
I don't know that the actual fight I had with Jumping Frog Saren made me feel like Sovereign was a big bad man. I mean sure it made me hate him --- a lot -- but that fight sucked.

So does that make Bio 2-for-2 in sucky endboss battles? I hope that's not the ME tradition.

For the record, I prefer the giant terminator to the electro-frog.

Bioware is like 0 for what 6 on final boss fights. They're always some sort of nerfed, rule breaking, stupid thing: Irenicus, Malak, Arch Demon (ballistas really?), Templar Super Girl, Sov, Terminator I mean was the last good boss in Jade Empire or failing that BG1?

[Spikko]

atheelogos wrote...

Majestic Hedge wrote...

Harbinger got a little cooler when shepard beats the collectors, and harbingers like "you have failed, we will find another way," to the collector general, so, now he's a chessmaster casually tossing aside a pawn.

He was better in "Arrival", but that was kinda too little too late

I enjoyed both scenes (that was the only good moment of arrival) and i really hope that they will give Harbinger the spot he deserves in ME3. And the ability to kill him of course... "who's hurting who now b****?!?"

[atheelogos]

Spikko wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Majestic Hedge wrote...

Harbinger got a little cooler when shepard beats the collectors, and harbingers like "you have failed, we will find another way," to the collector general, so, now he's a chessmaster casually tossing aside a pawn.

He was better in "Arrival", but that was kinda too little too late

I enjoyed both scenes (that was the only good moment of arrival) and i really hope that they will give Harbinger the spot he deserves in ME3. And the ability to kill him of course... "who's hurting who now b****?!?"

Yes as long as they give him the proper dialogue then I'm with him having a bigger role.

[jcolt]

atheelogos wrote...

Majestic Hedge wrote...

Harbinger got a little cooler when shepard beats the collectors, and harbingers like "you have failed, we will find another way," to the collector general, so, now he's a chessmaster casually tossing aside a pawn.

He was better in "Arrival", but that was kinda too little too late

i like your chess analogy it helps me think of him as more menacing or at least more of a tactical thinker and less of a brute force kinda enemy.

[Gabey5]

it is cool to hate new things. if a new reaper is introduced people will be saying how harby is better. i like harby because i felt a personal connection with him. Like batman to joker, Sovy was just so disconnected., i look forward to Harby's next engagement with shep

He learned from soverign's mistake, Sov considered me an ant, Harb considers me an ant with teeth. He knows not to take us lighly, which was our advantage in me1. Things will get more crazy because he knows what we are vcapable of, so he is going for our species first 

Modifié par Gabey5, 07 février 2012 - 03:27 .

[Asch Lavigne]

I'll never forget the first time you actually see Sovereign. I'm not talking about the Eden Prime transmission you see on the Normandy. I mean when you're on Eden Prime and you see him lift off in the background. Sent chills up my spine.

Harbinger, the first time I played ME2 I was uncertain if he was a Collector or a Reaper. I will admit that Harbinger does not seem as threatening. However, we still have one more game. Harbinger was also annoying after a while in ME2 IMO. It was like "shut up I get it already!"

[darthnick427]

Ah yes the "Sovereign is better than Harbinger threads" the threads that have been in existence since ME2's completion. I made this thread myself a long time ago.

Sovereign was better because his voice was better, he had better lines, he thought you were as insignificant as an ant, and he brought about the mystique of the reapers. Harbinger was the second reaper and was always to be in the shadow of Sovereign's Epic first encounter plus his threats to Shepard just made him seem weaker than Sovereign. that's about it

[yuncas]

Ramus Quaritch wrote...

Sovereign is something to be feared. Harbinger is a super-troll.

This.

Sovereign remained mysterious and intensely malicious to the end. Harbinger threw out some toughguy lines while I was behind cover saying take this and that and one of those you annoying man-beetle. 

[shenlonzero]

the player had a more developed relationship with sovereign than we get in ME2 with harbinger. where as harbinger is far away assuming control, sovereign numerous times in the game, is within the same system as shepard, we see much more of him, and only him. he seduced saren, making him a very memorable and complicated character, not just a villain, saren gets antihero stature. it was a much more personal rivalry from the beginning, and harbinger has yet to drop any knowledge on us like sovereign. that's not necessarily to say he won't become that character in ME3. ME2 wasn't really about the reapers on a personal level as much as it was about the collectors.

[SirEtchwart]

I didn't realize people had debates about this sort of thing. I mean, Sovereign is my favorite, but Harbinger wasn't too bad. Some ridiculous lines to be sure, but you could always chalk that up to translation from Reaper to English (or something).

[Reapinger]

Harbinger was considered less menacing because he took control of Collectors and used the same lines over and over. Had they only used the assuming direct control line I feel people would consider him more menacing. The voices are also substantially different and the VI hologram of Sovereign was freakin' red-- so much cooler than orange. I wish the voice of Harbinger was more metallic and hollow but that's life. I feel Harbinger is more tactical and will be a much larger threat in ME3

[atheelogos]

SirEtchwart wrote...

I didn't realize people had debates about this sort of thing. I mean, Sovereign is my favorite, but Harbinger wasn't too bad. Some ridiculous lines to be sure, but you could always chalk that up to translation from Reaper to English (or something).

No u can't. 
Sovereign didn't have any bad lines. Plus Reapers don't have to translate. They have perfect understanding of any and all forms of speech they can find.

Mistranslated words wouldn't happen

[SirEtchwart]

atheelogos wrote...

SirEtchwart wrote...

I didn't realize people had debates about this sort of thing. I mean, Sovereign is my favorite, but Harbinger wasn't too bad. Some ridiculous lines to be sure, but you could always chalk that up to translation from Reaper to English (or something).

No u can't. 
Sovereign didn't have any bad lines. Plus Reapers don't have to translate. They have perfect understanding of any and all forms of speech they can find.

Mistranslated words wouldn't happen

Highlighted that for ya.

[Bendok]

Just because of one quote, the most badass quote from a video game enemy of all time:

"You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it."

[mattahraw]

Because Sovereign sounds like a hyper-intelligent sentient machine, he sounds cold, with no inflections in his voice.

And Harbinger sounds like a smack talking WWE wrestler talking through a pitch shifter.

[HolyAvenger]

Bendok wrote...

Just because of one quote, the most badass quote from a video game enemy of all time:

"You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it."

Oh yes. One of my favourite lines in the entire series.

[atheelogos]

SirEtchwart wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

SirEtchwart wrote...

I didn't realize people had debates about this sort of thing. I mean, Sovereign is my favorite, but Harbinger wasn't too bad. Some ridiculous lines to be sure, but you could always chalk that up to translation from Reaper to English (or something).

No u can't. 
Sovereign didn't have any bad lines. Plus Reapers don't have to translate. They have perfect understanding of any and all forms of speech they can find.

Mistranslated words wouldn't happen

Highlighted that for ya.

lol^_^