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[Aaleel]

"You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it"
"You threats are as empty as your future"

The talk with Sovereign on Virmire was just chilling, Sovereign was just an awesome character.

Herbinger just walked around saying the same lines of trash talk over and over and over.

Then the Conversation after Arrival paled, and I mean paled in comparison to the talk with Soveriegn.

[Dr. Cheezburg]

Not only is the dialogue better; but his voice sounds better, too. It's got more of a bass to it, and a little more robotic. A lot more menacing, like his voice carriers weight.

Harbinger sounds too much like a human, and not enough like an ancient alien trying to destroy all
intelligent life. Plus, the cheesy lines get old fast.

Maybe it's just the nostalgia kicking in, though.

[packardbell]

Dr. Cheezburg wrote...

Not only is the dialogue better; but his voice sounds better, too. It's got more of a bass to it, and a little more robotic. A lot more menacing, like his voice carriers weight.

Harbinger sounds too much like a human, and not enough like an ancient alien trying to destroy all
intelligent life. Plus, the cheesy lines get old fast.

Maybe it's just the nostalgia kicking in, though.

I agree, that affect they added in showed you Sovereign was a cold, caculating machine and was easily capable of backing up such talk. So far we've seen a lot of talk from Harbinger but little power, hopefully we he is scope/power in ME3.

[Draconis6666]

For some reason I've always had the feeling that Harbinger is like the retard reaper that the other Reapers just kind of wish would go away but wont. I have this picture of the reaper fleet flying towards the Galaxy and Harbinger yelling that hes assuming control of every random asteroid they fly by and the other reapers just kind of rolling their eyes and asking why he cant be as cool as Soverign.

[dgcatanisiri]

I personally think it's something of a 'less is more' kind of thing, or maybe the fact that Sovereign is so much more impersonal. We get one interaction with Sovereign where it deigns to speak to the muck under its boot, and treats Shepard as such. Really, in the Virmire conversation, Sovereign is speaking at Shepard, not to Shepard. Harbinger, though, speaks through its mooks and in Arrival, even speaks to Shepard, even directly addressing him/her and using Shepard's name.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Simply put --- Harbinger was pretty much a 3rd rate lackey while Sovereign was the real deal in terms of a functioning Reaper. Harbinger was using husks of a former powerful alien race to do the dirt --- while Sovereign was using influence, power, and subjugated races to attempt the easy return of its fellow Reapers - personally.

[MrnDvlDg161]

To add to that - Harbringer was sort of introduced in a sudden fashion - you just suddenly heard his voice and then you fought the character, spawning from other lesser creatures in an attempt to destroy a big threat in terms of people against the Reaper invasion. Sovereign's introduction was more mysterious and scary in terms of a show of force. Menacing. It had a lore behind it because you were just figuring out what the protheons were - and the lead up was woven into the narrative/events. In ME2 - it was less of that and more run-and-gun.

[Annihilator27]

R3MUS wrote...

Harbinger is getting ALOT of bashing and it's really a shame.

But i think Harbinger will prove himself worthy in ME3 and kick ass!

According to the ME3 codex, Heck yeah!!!

[KotorEffect3]

R3MUS wrote...

Harbinger is getting ALOT of bashing and it's really a shame.

But i think Harbinger will prove himself worthy in ME3 and kick ass!

Well if the leaked Codex is any indication us Harbinger fans will be vindicated and it appears that Sovereign answered to Harbinger and Harbinger answers to no other reapers.

[KotorEffect3]

Random Jerkface wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

So you don't think the fact that he was controlling the collectors while he was clear out in dark space was not impressive?  Do you have any idea what kind of vast distances we are talking about here?

Don't insult me.

I don't give a sh*t about Harbinger's capabilities; as a villain, he falls flat. It's difficult to find a trash-talking moustache twiddler menacing by any measure.

I wasn't insulting you.

[Slayer299]

Because Sovereign managed to accomplish things and talk to you like something who just barely acknowledges you even exist much less actually *threaten* him, to where as Harbinger walked around trash-talking like a 12yr old and you killed him for the 7856th time.

[Slayer299]

Draconis6666 wrote...

For some reason I've always had the feeling that Harbinger is like the retard reaper that the other Reapers just kind of wish would go away but wont. I have this picture of the reaper fleet flying towards the Galaxy and Harbinger yelling that hes assuming control of every random asteroid they fly by and the other reapers just kind of rolling their eyes and asking why he cant be as cool as Soverign.

OMG Draconis, I am so lucky I had just swallowed the water in my mouth before reading this ^

[DaJe]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

I personally think it's something of a 'less is more' kind of thing, or maybe the fact that Sovereign is so much more impersonal. We get one interaction with Sovereign where it deigns to speak to the muck under its boot, and treats Shepard as such. Really, in the Virmire conversation, Sovereign is speaking at Shepard, not to Shepard. Harbinger, though, speaks through its mooks and in Arrival, even speaks to Shepard, even directly addressing him/her and using Shepard's name.

I think that's a good explanation. Harbinger almost comes across like he is desperate for Shepards personal attention. Not very frightening.

[Crackseed]

I'd agree with the less is more idea as well. Honestly, I like Harbinger and I imagine we're going to see his full level of evil and power in ME3, but his appearance in ME2 was more like an annoying git then what Sovereign created. That one scene on Virmire alone cemented Sovereign as just the ultimate level of bad-ass, nevermind his VO is far more creepy/synthetic then what Harbinger had going on.

No lack of love for Harbie, but he's just got big shoes to fill when it comes to Sov.

[Deathborn668]

Honestly I thought Sovereign was one of the worst villains in any game I've ever played. The fact he's emotionless and suddenly appeared in a stupid and generic plot twist at the end of the game. His voice is dull and his threats completely and utterly empty. When you spend the entirety of the game behind the scenes doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to advance your "plan", you DO NOT get the right the flaunt in my face that you're superior. His conversation was an utter joke. What weight did his threats carry? Someone answer that. Sovereign did nothing in the game worthy of being feared. Then he died like the stupid, overconfident, and poorly written villain that he was.

Oh and his concept of last resort being to hop around a tiny room with a stupidly high amount of shielding. I still cannot believe he still acted confident at that point. I abhor villains that do that.

Harbinger started ME2 by killing Shepard. Yeah...that's quite a bit more than Sovereign. Harbinger actually had this thing called common sense. He gets to taunt Shepard after already killing him. Gameplay wise, he was responsible for 90% of my deaths. He wasn't a complete idiot. Also he's not dead. So that's one thing he has going for him that Sovereign doesn't!

And judging from the demo, it seems he's the only Reaper with the forethought that maybe Shepard should be priority #1.

[daftPirate]

Deathborn668 wrote...

Harbinger started ME2 by killing Shepard. Yeah...that's quite a bit more than Sovereign. Harbinger actually had this thing called common sense. He gets to taunt Shepard after already killing him. Gameplay wise, he was responsible for 90% of my deaths. He wasn't a complete idiot. Also he's not dead. So that's one thing he has going for him that Sovereign doesn't!

And judging from the demo, it seems he's the only Reaper with the forethought that maybe Shepard should be priority #1.

Very good points for Harbinger. On the other hand, I found Sovereign's delivery much more threatening until Shepard meets Harbinger in Arrival. That, I think, is the main reason people dig Sovy more than Harby: More screentime to judge by. I thoroughly enjoyed Sovereign, and I hope to see a lot more of Harbinger in ME3~!

[Gabey5]

1. it's cool to hate something new
2. the taunts
3. we have not witnessed harbingers might up close

[movieguyabw]

Simple.

"Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh. You touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding..."

Enough said.

[Fraevar]

Basically because of the way they did the voice-acting combined with the lines and delivery. Some of the lines are...well...corny at best and having them just repeated over and over again whenever there's a Collector level makes it very tiresome to listen to.

As a Reaper, Harbinger should not waste time on taunts. Sovereign didn't, which is what made the exchange with it scary; that cold, matter-of-fact malice without any real emotional investment.

[Chaota Vos]

Meeting Sov for the first time, and the subsequent conversation, was one of the best moments in my gaming life. It's gonna be difficult to measure up to that regardless, and Harbinger didn't really stand out.

"You exist because we allow it. And you will end because we demand it." and "I am the vanguard of your destruction" are such chilling lines.

[yanos626]

Sovereign was our very first encounter of a Reaper. So the first impression created a nice impact for us.

[Storenumber9]

From the way Harbinger acted in ME2, I'd suspect him to be the equivalent of a lower ranking officer.

Probably Sovereign as well, but Harbinger just could have been angrier.

I don't know, maybe Harbinger has been trying to move up in the Reaper military latter for years, and was tired of being stuck on collector duty. Or maybe he created the collectors and none of the other reapers gave a crap. They're like "Damn, Sovereign did a pretty good job with the Citadel. Hey, what's that, harbinger? 'collectors?' Well, that's kind of lame"

So, they laugh at him, and now Harbinger is all mad. None of the other reapers take him seriously, so he has to try extra hard to be taken seriously. Unfortunately, his effort is lost on most people, because even a def Elcor could tell that he's trying too hard.

Not to mention, the only contact Harbinger gets is with the brainless collectors, or his enemy, Commander Shepard and Co. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire plot to Mass Effect 2 wasn't initiated because poor ol' Harbinger needed a friend; someone to understand how he feels.

But I have no idea what I'm talking about, no need to listen or anything.

[John Locke N7]

his theme song is really cool

[Merchant2006]

But but but but what's this Harbinger codex leak D:?

Edit: Found it. Itg's on Youtube. Just do a search for Mass Effect 3 codex. Still Harbinger is a noob.

Draconis6666 wrote...

For some reason I've always had the feeling that Harbinger is like the retard reaper that the other Reapers just kind of wish would go away but wont. I have this picture of the reaper fleet flying towards the Galaxy and Harbinger yelling that hes assuming control of every random asteroid they fly by and the other reapers just kind of rolling their eyes and asking why he cant be as cool as Soverign.

Oh goodness me hahahahahahahahahaha! Now I can't unsee this image, brilliant ^^.

Modifié par Merchant2006, 19 février 2012 - 01:48 .

[Shinobu]

John Locke N7 wrote...

his theme song is really cool

You mean this?