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[Haasth]

I still prefer Harbinger, but he was awfully portrayed in ME2 with the whole "Assuming Direct Control" and then really.. dying over and over again. More of a pest than a dangerous, intimidating enemy.

[JG The Gamer]

The way I see it, both Sovereign and Harbinger are equally dangerous. Sovereign as some mentioned, you only see once and leaves an aura of mystery. Harbinger you see and hear from multiple times to control his puppets. His taunting can get a bit irritating, but you have to admit a slight tactic switch on your part when he takes the field. That said, both are Reapers, capable of decimating entire fleets by themselves.

Both failed in their tasks, but only Sovereign is in pieces. Only time will tell if Harbinger ends up in pieces. If so, his failure will be even more so (from failing twice to stop Shepard). Even his successful killing of Shepard will be a moot point.

[andy6915]

Reminds me of something funny last playthrough-

suicide mission
Harby starts his crap and I kill him
"We are assuming dir-"
I say outloud "What was that? I'm sorry, I interrupted you, that was rude of me."

[Mr. Gogeta34]

People hate Harbinger because he was easy to shut up... yet kept coming back for more. His perceived straw villain status is ony amplified by the endless taunts he makes toward Shepard.  And while taunts are fine... he was never strong enough to back any of his claims up (because he wasn't actually there)... so you were left with a growingly annoying (yet easily beatable) repetitive chatterbox.

Sovereign, during conversation and in battle, was something harder to figure out and stop than anything else you've gone up against. On top of that, he didn't spam you with insults.


As a big fan of Harbinger (personally), even I admit that he started talking smack a little too soon with too little to back it up with.  If he would've said that while destroying the Normandy at the beginning of the game... he would've been respected a lot more I think.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 06 février 2012 - 03:24 .

[tetrisblock4x1]

Well look at it this way... you only have to kill Sarens husk once, and that's enough to knock the wind out of Sovereign. Harbinger on the other hand doesn't seem to break a sweat no matter how many times you kill his possessed form.

So the implication seems to be that Harbinger is so much tougher than Sovereign.

[AlanC9]

Scary Shepard wrote...


Indeed. Perhaps the most intimidating attribute of Sovereign was his utter indifference to Shepard and chums. To Sovereign, they were nothing, insignificant. Harbinger's trash-talk and condescension belies the fact that the Reapers have been forced to recognise Shepard as a threat ("Shepard. You have become an annoyance.") which although makes him no less dangerous than Sovereign, it demonstrates a ****** in the Reaper's apparently omnipotent view of themselves, and makes Harbinger a lesser villain as a result.

To the extent this is true, it's simply impossible for the ME2 villain to be as impressive as Sovereign. The utter indifference thing won't work after Shepard really does wreck the Reapers' plans.

It's hard to avoid some level of Villain Decay in a trilogy. Star Wars managed it in ESB, but only at the cost of not allowing the heroes to accomplish anything except survival. I don't think that would work in a game.

[Juha81FIN]

I never understood nor liked Harblingy's ability to act through Collectors and he is not even physically in galaxy so he is not same kind of threat like Sovereign was. Plus he is even more overconfident than Sovereign.

[Yuoaman]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Well look at it this way... you only have to kill Sarens husk once, and that's enough to knock the wind out of Sovereign. Harbinger on the other hand doesn't seem to break a sweat no matter how many times you kill his possessed form.

So the implication seems to be that Harbinger is so much tougher than Sovereign.

Well Harbinger seems to know how to do it without putting his entire consciousness into a fragile form, he has practice.

[eye basher]

Juha81FIN wrote...

I never understood nor liked Harblingy's ability to act through Collectors and he is not even physically in galaxy so he is not same kind of threat like Sovereign was. Plus he is even more overconfident than Sovereign.

Nah Sovereing blatanly told you he was a god and invincible and when you claim to be invincible that's usually when someone comes along and kicks your teeth in so much for god hood.

[Foxtrot 212]

Personally I see Sovereign as the Vanguard and Harbinger as the Scientist (Probably the one who twisted Prothean DNA) I also see Harbinger's plan as more of a distraction than anything. The Serpent Nebula is completely almost exactly directly across from the Omega Relay. I see Harbinger's plan as getting a foot hold on the opposite side of the galaxy of the relay they were flying into. I also see the human reaper as the pinnacle of his plan.... Humans have become an annoyance, Get them out of the picture, I also believe that every reaper is made from a single race. So they started the harvesting of the Humans early too get as many as they could out of the picture. In my opinion Harbinger seemed more like the "distraction" than anything.

[Lord Jaric]

You've got to admit Harbinger calling you nothing but an annoyance in arrival was assaulting, you killed one reaper and stopped the collectors and you are nothing but an annoying fly that won't go away to him.

edit: and you scew over their plans for a quick invasion.

Modifié par Lord Jaric, 06 février 2012 - 04:03 .

[Yuoaman]

Lord Jaric wrote...

You've got to admit Harbinger calling you nothing but an annoyance in arrival was assaulting, you killed one reaper and stopped the collectors and you are nothing but an annoying fly that won't go away to him.

I don't know, I thought it was kind of awesome that Shepard is basically the first thing the Reapers have EVER considered even close to a threat. And they're just an individual.

[AlanC9]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Gameplay/Story seggration.

Sovereign was a dreadnought class Reaper just as Harbinger likely is, hence they are more or less the same. Harbinger is no more substantially stronger than Sovereign than one tank is compared to another one of its making.

Harbinger is an annoying twit, no way to screw that fact around. How menacing he is exactly out of gameplay measure is to be kept on hold until ME3 arrives, but until then he's only a babbling far-off dude that likes playing with puppets.

I don't think this really counts as gameplay/story segregation. Harbinger isn't physically present in ME2, so he has the appropriate power level for someone who's only, as you say, playing with puppets.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

[incinerator950]

I like them both equally.

[Omega-202]

Its all in the voice. Sovereign was completely emotionless and menacing. Harbinger was too condescending and actually addressed Shepard and crew as something that deserved attention. From Sovereign's conversation in ME1, the fact that Harbinger takes that tone with Shepard is completely illogical. It would be like a human talking to an ant with a condescending tone.

They're beyond our comprehension and understanding and therefore they should sound like it. Sovereign did, Harbinger didn't.

[Someone With Mass]

Mesina2 wrote...

Didn't he failed in ME1?

Or Dietz is actually right.

He was very close, though.

Don't know what the hell Harbinger was thinking. If he had been smart, he would had waited with the Collectors until he and the rest of the Reapers invaded and then send the Collectors out to pick people up during the commotions.

[AlanC9]

Omega-202 wrote...
They're beyond our comprehension and understanding and therefore they should sound like it. Sovereign did, Harbinger didn't.

I'm amazed by how many players apparently bought into that mystical crap Sovereign was shoveling at us.

[Seboist]

They're both bland "muhahahaha I'm stronger than you!!!" spewing villains but I prefer Harbinger for his entertainment value.

[CrazyRah]

Sovereign did sound menacing and scary. "You live because we allow it and you will die because we demand it" That entire conversation is epic. Sovereign sounds like he actually mean what he says and that he will end us.

Compared to that Harbringer sounds like a creepy teenager that tries to hit on everyone in school. "I know you feel this" I mean really?

[ADLegend21]

Sovereign was meh. He was also a fool for putting all of his eggs in Saren's basket, at least Harbinger was smart enought to use an avatar at a distance instead of while it was being bombarded by a fleet.

[mineralica]

I'd like Harbinger choosing Praetorian as avatar instead of that walking biotic thing. At least flying frog can make Shepard run around the map.

Modifié par mineralica, 06 février 2012 - 04:24 .

[CroGamer002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Didn't he failed in ME1?

Or Dietz is actually right.

He was very close, though.

Don't know what the hell Harbinger was thinking. If he had been smart, he would had waited with the Collectors until he and the rest of the Reapers invaded and then send the Collectors out to pick people up during the commotions.

They were probably testing do humans actually work as a Reaper.

Plus, they never believed anyone would get passed Omega 4 Relay.

Hell, I don't think they knew Cerberus could bring back Shepard from death.


I think Harby was just unlucky with that.