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[Forsythia]

Harbinger wouldn't shut up.

[hawat333]

AlanC9 wrote...
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But it still makes Harbinger feel weaker.

And that's the point. We met Sovereign. We only met it once and it nearly damn doomed the entire galactic civilization. Also, it was important that he used Saren and the geth, but didn't assume control. Harbinger does jump on the battlefield. Yes, it's using vessels, puppets, but evey time we beat one of those, we feel a sense of success. Every time we beat one of those we feel that it can be beaten.
And when these things makes Harbinger feel weaker, he becomes weaker, at least in attempting intimidation.
That's just my opinion though, there's really no need to go and spread it around.

[Dragoonlordz]

Sovereign was akin to a lion compared to Harbinger who was a gnat, an annoying one who you keep squishing over and over again. Harbinger was like also the black knight from monty python holy grail who keeps getting his butt kicked again and again but giving it all mouth trash talking.

[Xerxes52]

Sovereign had better dialogue (and those voice effects!) and had much less of it, which gave him/it a certain mystique.

Harbinger's lines are fairly silly (and his voice effects are meh) and he never shuts up! He's like that trash talking kid on COD that you keep thrashing, but he's always back for more, preceded by his endless stream of trash talk.

Hopefully in ME3, none of the Reapers communicate with us. They're here to exterminate us, they don't have to trash talk. They should just honk their Reaper Horn and proceed with the molten metal beam spam.

Modifié par Xerxes52, 06 février 2012 - 06:31 .

[_symphony]

ODST 5723 wrote...

Mac Walters stated on twitter on 12/1/11 that the Collectors had more than one ship.

Frankly I don't care what he says on twitter, If they had more than one ship then it should have shown in the game. The collectors knew Shepard got a reaper IFF, so they should have figured that Shepard would eventually try to jump the Omega 4 relay. But when you do you only find what, a few interceptors, one ship, and a base with apparently not enough sensors for detect where the Normandy is. Really. For a race that repeated the cycle of destruction countless of times, the reapers are a bit too stupid.

[Cuddlezarro]

incinerator950 wrote...

For 40k Fans, it would be comparing the Nightbringer to the Deceiver.

except both are now slaves to there former slaves and are just shadows of themselves so not really a fair comparison any more

also the nightbringer never trash talked in his appearances

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 06 février 2012 - 06:54 .

[incinerator950]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

For 40k Fans, it would be comparing the Nightbringer to the Deceiver.

except both are now slaves to there former slaves and are just shadows of themselves so not really a fair comparison any more

also the nightbringer never trash talked in his appearances

I pretend to not read the new codexes for them, I heard they're...less then pleasing.

Great thing about Genestealer Cults, no one loves us to the point we might as well get away with our own rules.

[BlueMagitek]

incinerator950 wrote...

I pretend to not read the new codexes for them, I heard they're...less then pleasing.

Great thing about Genestealer Cults, no one loves us to the point we might as well get away with our own rules.

You could always play Dark Eldar; I hear they never change. =D

[AlanC9]

_symphony wrote...

ODST 5723 wrote...

Mac Walters stated on twitter on 12/1/11 that the Collectors had more than one ship.

Frankly I don't care what he says on twitter, If they had more than one ship then it should have shown in the game. 

Just to finish off this idiotic sub-topic, right before Shepard picks up the advanced weapon on the Collector ship he/she says "Let's get moving before the Collectors show up to salvage this vessel." Show up. So they're coming in another ship, you see.

I don't know why so many players get this wrong. If I didn't hang out here I wouldn't have thought it was possible to think that the Collectors only had the one ship.

[Cuddlezarro]

incinerator950 wrote...


I pretend to not read the new codexes for them, I heard they're...less then pleasing.

Great thing about Genestealer Cults, no one loves us to the point we might as well get away with our own rules.

rules wise necrons are more viable than before... but fluff wise? lol matt ward

also genestealer cults still exist in fluff... tt not so much unless you play apocalypse or the rpg

ps I love genestealers...my nid army has a bazillion of them (thanks to 2 different editions of space hulk)

You could always play Dark Eldar; I hear they never change. =D

they got a new and incredibly awesome reboot last year with a complete redo of well everything from models to a new codex which they have needed since 1997

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 06 février 2012 - 07:04 .

[Wrathra]

Harbinger was so overused he became an annoyance. Didn't help that the collectors themselves were just jokes as villains who's place in the grand scheme of things was just kind of "look, vague bad guys" (in my opinion, anyway)

Sovereign felt intimating right from the start, and kept his mouth shut until he really had something to say.

[Sidney]

Curunen wrote...

There's only one thing that really makes the difference - the voice.

Sovereign comes across as cold, alien, unknowable. Harbinger sounds like a pantomime villain.

I don't like to bash the hard work that went into it, but Harbinger is a joke because of its dialogue and the sound for its voice. I hope BW have any reaper dialogue sound more like Sovereign in ME3.

Just finished, again, the Sovereign conversation on Virmire. That sounds like his "natural" voice. It sounds more mechanical for what that's worth. The Sovereign voice sounds more detached and menancing in that way. Harbinger has none of that machine tone but that's because I assume the smack talk was coming out of the drone somehow but then the same voice at the end of arrival sort of kills that idea. 

[knightnblu]

Because Soverign had a really deep voice and reverb. Reminds me of James Earl Jone's as Vader. All Harbinger had was some lame taunts and roaches. Cheesy.

[Ar7emis]

Slidell505 wrote...

Sovereign: A lovecrafting techno monster, with a seemingly justifiable god complex. It took the entire citadel fleet to kill him. Quote: "We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist, because we allow it, and you will end, because we demand it. "

Harbinger: A saturday morning cartoon villain. He regularly gets on the ground and to fight with Shepard, and Shepard kills him over and over again, while he throws personal insults at him. Quote: "I KNOW YOU FEEL THIS!"

I honestly couldn't have put it better than this. Nazara was the perfect villain, his manipulation of Saren and just about every line he says surpasses anything that Harbinger does by a mile. Nazara was intimidatng, Harbinger is a joke.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Sovereign = Lorik Qui'in.

[_symphony]

AlanC9 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

ODST 5723 wrote...

Mac Walters stated on twitter on 12/1/11 that the Collectors had more than one ship.

Frankly I don't care what he says on twitter, If they had more than one ship then it should have shown in the game. 

Just to finish off this idiotic sub-topic, right before Shepard picks up the advanced weapon on the Collector ship he/she says "Let's get moving before the Collectors show up to salvage this vessel." Show up. So they're coming in another ship, you see.

I don't know why so many players get this wrong. If I didn't hang out here I wouldn't have thought it was possible to think that the Collectors only had the one ship.

In my opinion that's what Shepard's team assumes, we don't see any evidence of that. But alright, I compromise, the collector's do have a bunch of ships, does it change anything? The collectors are still a bunch of idiots that are all talk and can't even defend their base against one frigate, if they had more than one ship then this is even more idiotic.

And this is why Harbinger is a joke compared to Sovereign. If it weren't for Shepard, Sovereign would have screwed the galaxy, Harbinger with his collectors wouldn't ever achieve something of that scale.

Modifié par _symphony, 06 février 2012 - 07:24 .

[AlanC9]

Ar7emis wrote...

I honestly couldn't have put it better than this. Nazara was the perfect villain, his manipulation of Saren and just about every line he says surpasses anything that Harbinger does by a mile. Nazara was intimidatng, Harbinger is a joke.

Be fair to Harbinger. He didn't have centuries to plan and prepare for his attack.

Edit: actually, for an improvised plan B Harbinger doesn't do half-bad.

Modifié par AlanC9, 06 février 2012 - 07:30 .

[Kilshrek]

Icinix wrote...

Sovereign was awesomely evil.

Harbinger was just an annoying twit.

In a nutshell.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Sovereign has a cooler voice.

[AlanC9]

_symphony wrote...
In my opinion that's what Shepard's team assumes, we don't see any evidence of that.

It's OK to have opinions, but evidence to back them up is helpful. What's your evidence that there's only one ship?

You really think EDI is too stupid to notice that all the Collector profiles are actually of the same ship? She compares data when Joker asks her about the SR-1 attack, so she thinks there's more than one.

But alright, I compromise, the collector's do have a bunch of ships, does it changes anything? The collectors are still a bunch of idiots that are all talk and can't even defend their base against one frigate, if they had more than one ship then this is even more idiotic.

So they should keep lots of ships around their base to guard against an attacker coming through the Omega-4 relay when no ship in history -- and we're talking about millenia, here -- has ever succeeded in doing that?

[_symphony]

AlanC9 wrote...

But alright, I compromise, the collector's do have a bunch of ships, does it changes anything? The collectors are still a bunch of idiots that are all talk and can't even defend their base against one frigate, if they had more than one ship then this is even more idiotic.

So they should keep lots of ships around their base to guard against an attacker coming through the Omega-4 relay when no ship in history -- and we're talking about millenia, here -- has ever succeeded in doing that?

The collectors knew Shepard got a reaper IFF, so they should have figured that Shepard would eventually try to jump the Omega 4 relay.

[Tasker]

Sovereign was an in your face enemy. He did things for himself and had a bad ass voice.

Harbinger was a coward who used other to do his dirty work and sounded like he'd smoked to many cigaretes.

[Nexis7]

Sovereign sounds like a cooler name anyways, i kept pronounced harbinger wrong as 'Harbringer'

which imo sounds cooler aswell but whatever man, whatever.

[Starfishsicko]

Both were inferior to Saren and TIM anyway.

[saracen16]

Scary Shepard wrote...

saracen16 wrote...
Yeah, but Sovereign's God complex is much more terrifying. He carries with him a more automatonic aura, one that is based on emotionless logic and calculation. Harbinger is just a control freak.

Indeed. Perhaps the most intimidating attribute of Sovereign was his utter indifference to Shepard and chums. To Sovereign, they were nothing, insignificant. Harbinger's trash-talk and condescension belies the fact that the Reapers have been forced to recognise Shepard as a threat ("Shepard. You have become an annoyance.") which although makes him no less dangerous than Sovereign, it demonstrates a ****** in the Reaper's apparently omnipotent view of themselves, and makes Harbinger a lesser villain as a result.

The fact that Harbinger is present throughout almost all of ME2 also detracts from his character, as several people have already said. Sovereign and Shepard had only one exchange in ME1, and Sovereign spoke only once after that. Harbinger's constant "taunting" in combat almost has a smack of desperation about it, not to mention its frequent occurence diminishes its significance.

Truer words have never been spoken.