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[BeastMTL]

Sovereign: You are beneath us and shall be destroyed..
harbringer: Nya Nya I will pwn you!

(yes I know its an exaggeration, but gets the point across)

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

I think Harbinger and Sovereign are pretty interchangable, apart from Harbinger having fewer lines. They are essentially the same character.

[Medhia Nox]

I still hate that their names are backward...

Sovereign.. was the harbinger of the Reapers.

While Harbinger... is playing the role of the sovereign of all the Reapers.

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And I hate the Reapers - so neither of them are cool in my opinion... ME 1 would have been more interesting if Saren was just a Specter who abused his power and tried to wipe out humanity - which he perceived as a threat to Citadel space.

[ReallyRue]

It's because DJ Harbieber just *wished* he could mash up some bangin' tunes like Sov.

...But mostly because of all the reasons other people listed. I KNOW YOU FEEL THIS. Come on, I can't take that seriously. Harby is the Jacob romance of the ME villains. Cereal-muncher aside.

[incinerator950]

ReallyRue wrote...

It's because DJ Harbieber just *wished* he could mash up some bangin' tunes like Sov.

...But mostly because of all the reasons other people listed. I KNOW YOU FEEL THIS. Come on, I can't take that seriously. Harby is the Jacob romance of the ME villains. Cereal-muncher aside.

I think Nemeroth in Space Marine was a better Villian.

[Doctalen]

incinerator950 wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

It's because DJ Harbieber just *wished* he could mash up some bangin' tunes like Sov.

...But mostly because of all the reasons other people listed. I KNOW YOU FEEL THIS. Come on, I can't take that seriously. Harby is the Jacob romance of the ME villains. Cereal-muncher aside.

I think Nemeroth in Space Marine was a better Villian.

I just hope we won't defeat harby with QTEs. 

[Savber100]

Sovereign has better lines and VA.

Also we saw Sovereign in action while as of now Harbinger was just some little annoying mini-boss that wouldn't shut up. I'm betting this will change in ME3.

[incinerator950]

Doctalen wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

It's because DJ Harbieber just *wished* he could mash up some bangin' tunes like Sov.

...But mostly because of all the reasons other people listed. I KNOW YOU FEEL THIS. Come on, I can't take that seriously. Harby is the Jacob romance of the ME villains. Cereal-muncher aside.

I think Nemeroth in Space Marine was a better Villian.

I just hope we won't defeat harby with QTEs. 

After playing Jurassic Park, I've had enough of those for three months.

[Carnage752]

Sovereign gets **** done, and dies in combat like a true death dealing badass.

Harbinger just makes threats through possessed bodies and holograms.
What a ****.

[Hathur]

Sovereign was mysterious, ominous and instilled some sense of genuine fear and intimidation.

Harbinger honestly sounded like a brat throwing a hissy fit with his absurd lines.... he wasn't ominous or intimidating at all... he wasn't mysterious either, just merely confusing is all.

Sovereign was a far more enjoyable antagonist..... I'm a tremendous Mass Effect 2 fan, heck I liked the experience overall far more than ME1 (that's saying a lot) but even I have to groan about how badly Harby was designed / implemented.... oh and the voice sounds silly compared to Sovvy too... Harby sounds like a guy talking with a deep voice into a paper bag or something, trying to sounds "scaaary" whereas Sovereign sounded like a cold, heartless terrifying machine.

[Yuoaman]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I still hate that their names are backward...

Sovereign.. was the harbinger of the Reapers.

While Harbinger... is playing the role of the sovereign of all the Reapers.

=====

And I hate the Reapers - so neither of them are cool in my opinion... ME 1 would have been more interesting if Saren was just a Specter who abused his power and tried to wipe out humanity - which he perceived as a threat to Citadel space.

Sovereign was named by Saren, who was probably just trying to give him a powerful sounding name - Harbinger was also working behind the scenes to make the Reapers' return smoother so his name also fits.

[Annihilator27]

I like Harbinger more then Sovereign.Harbinger was ruined by all that trash talk and that some of Its dialogue seemed to have sexual undertones lol. I do like Sovereign as well, I still laugh when It knocks a Turian ship out the way like nothing.

Modifié par annihilator27, 06 février 2012 - 09:21 .

[DimmockDude]

because we havent seen harbinger DO anything

[silentassassin264]

I liked Harbinger better. Sovereign was an arrogant tool. He was pretty much the Bond villain type of bad guy. It is like he was going out of his way just to be "evil". Harbinger had a purpose. He had plans which he executed to perfection. He actually kills Shepard to avenge Sovereigns death and he he begins stealthily making a new Vanguard while being outside of the galaxy. The only reason he was reduced to taunting was because Sovereign was actually in the Milky Way and Harbinger was on his way to the Milky Way.

[ultimo andrade]

Kronner wrote...

Sovereign is intimidating and mysterious. Harbinger trash-talks.

No contest IMHO.

so basiclly Harbinger is a inmature reaper or a troll:P

[ultimo andrade]

found this in the web



The term "sovereign" usually refers to an absolute power, usually politically. Political leaders such as absolute monarchs and dictators are absolute powers. Sovereign can also be used to describe a type of state. A sovereign state, nation, or country is one that is independent. If a nation oversees territory outside its borders, those territories will regard the governing nation as their sovereign. An object or an entity can also be sovereign. The dollar is the sovereign form of currency for several countries, including the United States

Modifié par ultimo andrade, 06 février 2012 - 10:47 .

[ultimo andrade]

ultimo andrade wrote...

found this in the web



The term "sovereign" usually refers to an absolute power, usually politically. Political leaders such as absolute monarchs and dictators are absolute powers. Sovereign can also be used to describe a type of state. A sovereign state, nation, or country is one that is independent. If a nation oversees territory outside its borders, those territories will regard the governing nation as their sovereign. An object or an entity can also be sovereign. The dollar is the sovereign form of currency for several countries, including the United States

Harbinger: an indication of the approach of something or someone

[Medhia Nox]

@ultimao andrade - yes, hence my mild nerd irritation at their names. Since they're represented as the opposite of their names.

[Nobezy]

Let's put it this way.

Who would win in a fight between Sovereign and Harbinger?

..This hurts you..

Harby was a joke. Sovereign was actually intimidating at first.

[idoless24]

Sovereign's presence was more frightening and mystifying in my opinion. Harbinger was just irritating and a lot of his dialogue was kind of funny in the middle of battle.

[Bekkael]

@OP Sovereign was somewhat horrifying and scary; Harby was comedy relief. It was always laughable to kill him off mid-way through a taunt.

[Annihilator27]

DimmockDude wrote...

because we havent seen harbinger DO anything

Some people are hooked on Sovereigns voice, Its arrogance got It killed!!! Harbinger is going to have to do something besides trash talk and 'ragequit" in ME3.Besides Its even more busy now trying to convince the Reaper council Shepard exists.
Reaper Councilor "Sovereign Isnt dead,You have no evidence of It.We're immortal remember and this Shepard Is a myth"

Modifié par annihilator27, 07 février 2012 - 12:47 .

[KotorEffect3]

PsydonX wrote...

There are a lot of reasons.

1. Sovereign came across as much more mysterious and terrifying than Harbinger. Remember, the Reapers are Mass Effect's version of Cthulu. Cthulu only works when you interact with it as little as possible. This is because it is the definition of "alien"; it is beyond our ability to understand. We only see the effects of what it does and even then we don't know what's going on. If we do speak to it, we only get the barest of glimpses into what makes it tick. This creates discomfort and feelings of dread, because one of our most primal fears is the unknown. If the characters and audience interact with it constantly, we begin to understand it.

2. Saren, being Sovereign's puppet, was Sovereign's mouthpiece throughout Mass Effect 1, whether in a figurative or literal sense. Through him we learned things about the Reapers
without directly interacting with them, preserving their mystery and
the terror that goes with it. Shepard never meets, let alone interacts
with, the Collector General, but she should have because the Collector General should have been ME2's villain, continuing and expanding on the themes of slavery and machine-dominance-over-flesh Saren established.

3. That you repeatedly fight--and defeat--Harbinger shatters his impact as a villain. Yes, the rational part of your mind would tell you "That's not really Harbinger; he's just possessing Collectors." but the emotional part of your mind would tell you "This guy's got nothing on me! Reapers? Pssh. I've already killed him, like, 50 times!" That he continues to do the same th--ASSUMING DIREC--only to be stopped by Shepard (you) over and over again makes him seem ineffectual (why can't he do anything else? Why does he keep trying to kill you knowing you know how to beat this particular method of his?) and more of a personal troll for Shepard than a menacing antagonist. It's the same reason why Samus' complete mental shutdown at Ridley's appearance in Other M made no sense: by that point in the Metroid chronology she's destroyed him numerous times and the player controlling her has destroyed him even more times throughout the series.

Despite being immortal, he's no longer threatening as an antagonist if all he's going to do is show up and get shot down, which is all he ever does. Sound familiar?

4. Their plans. Put simply: ME1's plot is much better than ME2's plot, Sovereign's plan is much better than Harbinger's plan and Harbinger's plan makes no sense. What the Reapers do in Arrival and the beginning of ME3 makes it even worse ("We will find another way...getting off our lazy butts and just flying into the galaxy, which we could have done between the end of the first game and Shepard being revived--two years and change. It would have saved us all this extra trouble, we would have had a Collector army to support us, we could have used the Alpha Relay and we could have still killed Shepard anyway, thus ensuring we would be unstoppable.").

5. Harbinger is rather annoying. He just doesn't shut up (again, he comes across as a troll). It doesn't help that his evaluations of the other species don't make sense half the time, which greatly diminishes his image as some kind of evil mad gene-splicing scientist.

6. Sovereign possessed the main villain of ME1's story, who himself was a unique, interesting opponent. Harbinger possessed his own mooks. Okay, they gained quite a bit of power, but they were still his own mooks.

7. Their voices. Ask yourself, which one sounds more like "evil machine god"? Hell, which one sounds cooler?

Alot of people seem to have the misconception that the reapers didn't start traveling through darkspace until the end of ME 2.  This is not true they have been traveling through darkspace since the end of ME 1.  The new reaper was not meant to replace sovereign and open the citadel relay.  It was meant to see if humanity could be reaperized.  The reapers were going to use the alpha relay whether the collectors could finish the human reaper or not.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 07 février 2012 - 12:49 .

[Phategod1]

Harbinger was not even present in the game He simply A"assumed Direct control" of the collectors Sovereign was giant scary ship that basically told you that he was going to eradicate all intelligent life in the galaxy they had did it before and will do it again. Meeting Sovereign for the 1st time was the watershed moment in ME1 its when the story met a true villain with purpose.

[incinerator950]

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