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[tetrisblock4x1]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

OP...not sure if you played me2, but its gonna be more like that. I think the destination was found then. There is no route me3 is taking in terms of whatever it is you define as "twitchy shooter"

it is what it is in terms of game play.

PC gamers are smarter than console gamers
also, those who like twitchy shooters are dumber than tactic players
etc etc etc etc etc etc

@bold-

I sincerely hope you're kidding.

Don't know about dumber, but consoles are more of an easy access gaming platform. They choose to play on console because they're interested in just getting a quick fix of gaming, and aren't into all of the customization, or learning about optimal builds, maintainence and stuff like that. 


@HTTP: there is a certain twitch shooter called Quake Arena, and it is arguably among the most tactical FPS games on the market.

[Hunter of Legends]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...


Well at least I can be glad that Mass Effect 3 is more of a stat game than ME2.

Than be happy with that and stop throwing needless and unwarrented terms around in a temper tantrum.

[tetrisblock4x1]

Bleachrude wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

People think that weapon training = badly designed gameplay.

It is when you still actually have to AIM manually.

Pick one...either the player is responsible for how accurate the shots are or the character is responsible. Having both is just an exercise in frustration..I despise this feature in Fallout as well...

The player IS resplonsible for accuracy in ME1. If you have a low accuracy then the player can work around that by firing in bursts from a crouching position. When you've mastered it you just point and hold the firing button while running around and the bullet spread will still be tight. The tutorial never told us that you can master a weapon before you leave Eden Prime. I understand that they probably tried to tell us as much as they could in the tutorial without breaking immersion, but really it's just a tutorial mission... I think breaking immersion during the tutorial mission to give the player a full explanation of how the game works is acceptable.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 08 février 2012 - 01:36 .

[AgitatedLemon]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

OP...not sure if you played me2, but its gonna be more like that. I think the destination was found then. There is no route me3 is taking in terms of whatever it is you define as "twitchy shooter"

it is what it is in terms of game play.

PC gamers are smarter than console gamers
also, those who like twitchy shooters are dumber than tactic players
etc etc etc etc etc etc

@bold-

I sincerely hope you're kidding.

Don't know about dumber, but consoles are more of an easy access gaming platform. They choose to play on console because they're interested in just getting a quick fix of gaming, and aren't into all of the customization, or learning about optimal builds, maintainence and stuff like that. 


@HTTP: there is a certain twitch shooter called Quake Arena, and it is arguably among the most tactical FPS games on the market.

Still not entirely true.

I game on consoles because I don't have a disposable income. Plus there are games that are console exclusive that I really enjoy (Like I said earlier, Gears of War, Halo, God of War, etc)

I can get by with a handful of games on my PC (Namely, I play TF2 all the time, pre F2P).

[ncknck]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

ncknck wrote...

Keyboard is too, a perfectly valid and functional input method for shooters.

More so because it's more precise.

Terrible for driving.

Same reason its terrible for driving is why its terrible for shooters. Same with gamepad. Unless you were joking?

I bet playing shooter on a gaming wheel will yield much better results than on a gamepad, lol.

Modifié par ncknck, 08 février 2012 - 01:40 .

[AgitatedLemon]

ncknck wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

ncknck wrote...

Keyboard is too, a perfectly valid and functional input method for shooters.

More so because it's more precise.

Terrible for driving.

Same reason its terrible for driving is why its terrible for shooters, and everything else. Same with gamepad. Unless you were joking?

I bet playing shooter on a gaming wheel will yield much better results than on a gamepad, lol.

It's statements like these that make me embarassed to call myself a "gamer".

[HTTP 404]

I was kidding...

[ncknck]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

It's statements like these that make me embarassed to call myself a "gamer".

explain.

[Abraham_uk]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ncknck wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

ncknck wrote...

Keyboard is too, a perfectly valid and functional input method for shooters.

More so because it's more precise.

Terrible for driving.

Same reason its terrible for driving is why its terrible for shooters, and everything else. Same with gamepad. Unless you were joking?

I bet playing shooter on a gaming wheel will yield much better results than on a gamepad, lol.

It's statements like these that make me embarassed to call myself a "gamer".

Do all threads on Bioware end like this?

Anyway Mass Effect 3 is not going to be a twitchy shooter? Having shooting mechanics doesn't make it a twitchy shooter. Did you forget the choices, the leveling up, the exploration, the conversations, the outfitting and chosing of the squad, the use of powers in a tactical manner, the pause and play mechanics?

No. Not just some twichy shooter? A bit like Mass Effect 2 but with more of the elements that were stripped from Mass Effect 1 and better shooting and agility in combat. Basically taking what worked in Mass Effect 1 & 2 and improving on it. That is according to the information that has been given by Bioware.

So there is no reason for me to believe that Mass Effect is just a lame Gears of War clone.

[ncknck]

not all, only if butthurt users jump in every discussion with pointless remarks a at bare mentioning of their precious console having an inferior input device.

[AgitatedLemon]

ncknck wrote...

not all, only if butthurt users jump in every discussion with pointless remarks a at bare mentioning of their precious console having an inferior input device.

... And it's statements like these that make me embarassed to call myself a human being.

[tetrisblock4x1]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

OP...not sure if you played me2, but its gonna be more like that. I think the destination was found then. There is no route me3 is taking in terms of whatever it is you define as "twitchy shooter"

it is what it is in terms of game play.

PC gamers are smarter than console gamers
also, those who like twitchy shooters are dumber than tactic players
etc etc etc etc etc etc

@bold-

I sincerely hope you're kidding.

Don't know about dumber, but consoles are more of an easy access gaming platform. They choose to play on console because they're interested in just getting a quick fix of gaming, and aren't into all of the customization, or learning about optimal builds, maintainence and stuff like that. 


@HTTP: there is a certain twitch shooter called Quake Arena, and it is arguably among the most tactical FPS games on the market.

Still not entirely true.

I game on consoles because I don't have a disposable income. Plus there are games that are console exclusive that I really enjoy (Like I said earlier, Gears of War, Halo, God of War, etc)

I can get by with a handful of games on my PC (Namely, I play TF2 all the time, pre F2P).

I know we aren't all the same, but my point is that if someone is passionate enough to do research and learn how things work and to build their own PC as many gamers do that they're more likely to get into games which require learning and critical thinking. This actualy explains why thereis a really huge petition for the console game Dark Souls to be ported to PC. And I think that this petition was actually popular enough to make the developers consider PC as a viable platform to port their games to.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 08 février 2012 - 01:58 .

[ncknck]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ncknck wrote...

not all, only if butthurt users jump in every discussion with pointless remarks a at bare mentioning of their precious console having an inferior input device.

... And it's statements like these that make me embarassed to call myself a human being.

Possible. A sane human would accept the fact than gamepads arent great for shooters and move on, yet you feel the need to defend gamepads at any cost without logical reason. Its either fanatical or, yes, not quite human.

You got offended by a mere comparison over a freaking piece of plastic. Great going. :up:

[Abraham_uk]

Is there any way to get this thread back on track?

Someone is worried that Mass Effect is becoming a bland shooter ditching all of the role playing elements and being simply shoot out, cutscene, shout out and one final cutscene before boring bland boss. We are discussing whether or not his/her fears about the direction of Mass Effect 3 are ligitimate.

Is Mass Effect 3 another bland shooter? I argued no. Some of you argued yes. Either way, moaning about consoles versus PC belongs in another topic. Here just to be helpful I've created a new forum thread just for this discussion.

http://social.biowar...index/9187242/1

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 08 février 2012 - 02:09 .

[ncknck]

Noone is worried, ME3 is gonna be one, classic RPGs dont sell well. Differences in style ME1->ME2 show quite clearly what is to become of ME3.

[AgitatedLemon]

ncknck wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ncknck wrote...

not all, only if butthurt users jump in every discussion with pointless remarks a at bare mentioning of their precious console having an inferior input device.

... And it's statements like these that make me embarassed to call myself a human being.

Possible. A sane human would accept the fact than gamepads arent great for shooters and move on, yet you feel the need to defend gamepads at any cost without logical reason. Its either fanatical or, yes, not quite human.

You got offended by a mere comparison over a freaking piece of plastic. Great going. :up:

I'm not offended in the least, seeing as how I never made a defensive statement for either category.

And I never once defended gamepads (I actually acknowledged that M/K is better for most things), I only said that gamepads aren't any less valid to play with. You're *literally* the only one displaying any fanaticism. 

[Abraham_uk]

At
tetrisblock4x1
AgitatedLemon
HTTP 404

Can you save this discussion for this forum thread? I think it has potential to be interesting.

http://social.biowar...index/9187242/1

[tetrisblock4x1]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Is there any way to get this thread back on track?

My fault, sorry.

Abraham_uk wrote...

Someone is worried that Mass Effect is becoming a bland shooter ditching all of the role playing elements and being simply shoot out, cutscene, shout out and one final cutscene before boring bland boss. We are discussing whether or not his/her fears about the direction of Mass Effect 3 are ligitimate.

Is Mass Effect 3 another bland shooter? I argued no. Some of you argued yes. Either way, moaning about consoles versus PC belongs in another
topic.

Well you get 9 evolutions of each power according to what someone from Bioware said recently, but on the other hand they replaced gun restrictions with an encumberance system which basically means that ME3 won't force you to make long term decisions about what guns you can use, so maybe they cancel each other "RPGness" out or something, I don't know, on one hand you seem to get more power customization, but on the other hand your firearms of choice are apparantly not as consequential as they used to be in ME1 and 2
But there is a lot about ME3 that none of us know so whatever.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 08 février 2012 - 02:15 .

[ncknck]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
 I only said that gamepads aren't any less valid to play with.

And your opinion is based on what exactly?  Fun fact - UT3 on consoles is 10% slower. 

[AgitatedLemon]

ncknck wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
 I only said that gamepads aren't any less valid to play with.

And your opinion is based on what exactly?  Fun fact - UT3 on consoles is 10% slower. 

And? UT3 is a port on consoles. Ports ALWAYS suffer in some form on a non-native platform. Not a great example.

And it's my opinion, exactly why do I need to "base" it on anything?

I enjoy playing games on a pad, I also enjoy gaming with a M/K, end of discussion.

[clopin]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ncknck wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
 I only said that gamepads aren't any less valid to play with.

And your opinion is based on what exactly?  Fun fact - UT3 on consoles is 10% slower. 

And? UT3 is a port on consoles. Ports ALWAYS suffer in some form on a non-native platform. Not a great example.

And it's my opinion, exactly why do I need to "base" it on anything?

I enjoy playing games on a pad, I also enjoy gaming with a M/K, end of discussion.

Yes, but according to him your opinion is wrong. Because that's how subjectivity works on the internet.

[ncknck]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

And it's my opinion, exactly why do I need to "base" it on anything?

I dont care what you play on. But if you cant defend the opinion, dont interrupt dialogs. See, it is only leading to you getting flamed.

[AgitatedLemon]

ncknck wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

And it's my opinion, exactly why do I need to "base" it on anything?

I dont care what you play on. But if you cant defend the opinion, dont interrupt dialogs. See, it is only leading to you getting flamed.

Seeing as how you insist on proving me "wrong", I'll continue to humor you.

I don't need to "defend" anything. The millions of people who game on consoles -- and play their games well -- are a testament to pads being a viable way to play. Is it optimal? No, but it isn't self-destructive either.

Again, I play with both input devices, so stop harassing me or I will report you.

[mjh417]

this is why they made Casual or Story mde