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[instantdeath999]

Alright, with a month to go for Mass Effect 3, I've decided I really need to get busy on a Mass Effect playthrough (I blame The Old Republi for making me forget about it).  I'm probably going to play the two games and read all of the novels; last novel I read was Ascension.  I've heard very bad things about Deception, though, so I don't know if I'll read that one.  I want to get the "full story", but I don't want to pay for a cheap cash-in.  Anyway, that's a seperate issue.  

I'm even more excited for ME3 than I am for 2, because I'm remaining totally ignorant of it.  Before ME2 came out, I knew practically everything about the game.  This time around, I don't even know the squad members.  So, in other words, if you want to spoil something about ME3, please put some kind of warning.  

**Spoilers for Mass Effect 1 and 2 follow**

I'm looking for opinions on how I should go into Mass Effect 3.  Yes, of course, all of the following are completely up to me, and the great thing about Mass Effect (and most Bioware games) is the freedom of choice, but I'm still looking for input.  I've read some very interesting opinions on these boards before that have actually made me want to play the game differently.  Not just looking for advice, though, also genuinely curious about how you guys are gonna do your first ME3 playthrough. 

So, the old standards. 

Kaidan or Ashley? 
- Previously, I've gone for Kaidan.  I find him a more interesting character, and I prefer his voice actor... not to mention he lacks some of Ashley's more annoying qualities.  I also feel he has better dialogue in ME2 than Ashley.  

However, in your opinion, which one is more fitting as a Spectre?  Is it more thematically fitting to have Ashley live into ME3, because of her family history?  I don't know, I think I'm going to go for Kaidan as of now.  

Save the Council?
- This is a biggie for me.  I intend to do my first ME3 run as a paragon character.  Even so, last time I played the game (two years ago), I preferred letting the Council die, to leave ME1 with a somewhat bittersweet ending.  I also somewhat liked the controversy that surrounded Shephard, how some accuse him of letting the Council die because they were alien, when my mindset was really "save as many people as possible". 

However, while I still like that, my counter for that is that saving the Council may do more good in the long run.  Gives the impression that humanity really is willing to work with the other races.  If we're judging by ME2 consequences alone, I definitely prefer letting the Council die, but going into ME3 blind, I just don't know.  

Save all of your crew? 
- At the end of ME2, where you have the option of either hurrying and saving your entire crew from the Collectors, or waiting and only saving half of them.  Similar to the above, I somewhat like not having everyone get out alive (it is a suicide mission, after all), but also somewhat like the notion of Shephard overcoming the odds, and indeed saving practically everyone.  Again, it's that bittersweet versus happy ending.  

Sorry if this is all redundant, since I'm sure all of these things have been discussed to death.  For romances, I think I'll try Liara and Miranda... could be interesting. 

Modifié par instantdeath999, 06 février 2012 - 10:59 .

[capn233]

Most all of these things would be whatever one person prefers rather than an ideal.

I for instance never saved Kaidan. Not really the most virtuous of decisions, but that's life.

I also never saw the point of "taking a dive" on the Suicide Mission. The first time I played it nobody was left behind. Not interested in sabotaging it for the sake of getting a worse outcome.

If anything I would consider playing around with some of the bigger choices, which in ME1 might be releasing or killing the Rachni queen, and then the council choice. For ME2, of course there is the collector base, but also consider handling Tali's trial in alternate ways and also completing Legion's mission in both ways as well as skipping it entirely.

That said, nobody knows for sure what will come back to bite you. Perhaps Conrad Verner is the real hero of ME3 and if you shot his foot he will not save Shepard.

Modifié par capn233, 07 février 2012 - 06:49 .

[Shepard Wins]

I'll do my best to answer, as I'm in the process of getting the "perfect playthrough" myself. My humble opinion(s):

- For me, it's definitely Kaidan. I have three reasons. One, and this is my primary and most subjective, because he's voiced by Rafael Sbarge who played Carth Onasi in KotOR. I love KotOR, used to play it for hours when I was a kid, and when I've first started ME and heard him i went "OMG it's Carth!". But it may not matter to you at all. Two, he is the logical choice for arming the bomb on Virmire (tech training). Ashley goes with the salarian team. Making sure the bomb goes off is mission critical so going back to the bomb site, and so, saving Kaidan seems to hold water, story-wise. And finally three, I didn't really like Ashley's racism.

- In my perfect playthrough I save the Council. In the long run, it earns humanity respect from other races. Besides, the Big Damn Heroes/Crowning Moment of Awesome when Joker says "Destiny Ascension, you are all clear; repeat, you are all clear".

- I'd save all of my crew. My Shepard does not abandon his men XD .

All in all I play a very paragon character (War Hero Spacer) who cares about people under his command. It's simply due to my strong emotional involvement with the characters and the story. Never could bring myself to play renegade, or dark side in KotOR. There is just something compelling about BioWare games.

EDIT: As for other decisions:

 - Let the Rachni queen live. I always take the "Rachni are a dead race" option only to be talked out of it by Liara (who is also my Shep's LI). It makes most role-playing sense for me in a situation where you are either a reckless hippie or genocidal. It's a real issue (the extremes), but then again there's only so much room for dialogue options on the wheel.
 - Calmed Wrex down - isn't that the option everyone should take?  Just for pure Wrex badassery.
 - Appointed Anderson as Chairman, he gets taken down by backroom politics, so at least I make it up to him in that way; besides it seems like he goes back to Earth in ME3 anyways
 - Convinced Garrus to be more Paragon, it's consistent with talking him out of killing Sidonis in ME2, which I do because I believe it grants him more peace than letting him take the shot
 - I take Wrex with me to see Fist. I probably wouldn't kill Fist myself, but it makes role-playing sense to take Wrex with you when going to Chora's Den. Ergo - Fist is dead.
 - Killed Helena Blake. Convinced her to disband the organisation, but she resisted arrest later.
 - Conrad Verner. I gave him an autograph, let him take a picture of me, but on the third time I shoved a gun in his face (this is what the blitz felt like, Conrad! You like it?). Both options (that and paragon) make sense so I chose this just for the sake of continuity (bug in file transfer in ME2).

And so on and so forth.

Modifié par Shepard Wins, 06 février 2012 - 11:41 .

[instantdeath999]

Shepard Wins wrote...

I'll do my best to answer, as I'm in the process of getting the "perfect playthrough" myself. My humble opinion(s):

- For me, it's definitely Kaidan. I have three reasons. One, and this is my primary and most subjective, because he's voiced by Rafael Sbarge who played Carth Onasi in KotOR. I love KotOR, used to play it for hours when I was a kid, and when I've first started ME and heard him i went "OMG it's Carth!". But it may not matter to you at all. Two, he is the logical choice for arming the bomb on Virmire (tech training). Ashley goes with the salarian team. Making sure the bomb goes off is mission critical so going back to the bomb site, and so, saving Kaidan seems to hold water, story-wise. And finally three, I didn't really like Ashley's racism.

Good reasons, I agree.  And yes, I'm a huge fan of KOTOR and KOTOR II.  I actually really liked Carth.  

I think the Council decision is the one I'm weighing the most now.  Really did enjoy Shephard having to face public criticism for it, but I'm afraid it will have very negative repercussions. 

Modifié par instantdeath999, 06 février 2012 - 11:34 .

[instantdeath999]

Shepard Wins wrote...

 - Conrad Verner. I gave him an autograph, let him take a picture of me, but on the third time I shoved a gun in his face (this is what the blitz felt like, Conrad! You like it?). Both options (that and paragon) make sense so I chose this just for the sake of continuity (bug in file transfer in ME2).

And so on and so forth.

Huh, so they never fixed that?  Kind of a bummer, but I'm glad I know... I guess I have an excuse to stick a gun in his face now

Nah, I'll probably feel bad about it afterwards.  I'll have to be extra nice to him in ME3

Modifié par instantdeath999, 07 février 2012 - 03:03 .

[Zack56]

I had originally planed to finish my current ME2 run and make another guy from scratch in ME1 but Skyrim and Katawa Shoujo ripped the tracks for that train right off the ground. I still have like 6-8 files I plan on transferring anyway so no real big loss for me anyway. I still enjoy Skyrim but it will be on permanent pause untill I completely and undeniably beat ME3 7 ways from sunday.

Modifié par Zack56, 07 février 2012 - 05:01 .

[Shepard Wins]

instantdeath999 wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

 - Conrad Verner. I gave him an autograph, let him take a picture of me, but on the third time I shoved a gun in his face (this is what the blitz felt like, Conrad! You like it?). Both options (that and paragon) make sense so I chose this just for the sake of continuity (bug in file transfer in ME2).

And so on and so forth.

Huh, so they never fixed that?  Kind of a bummer, but I'm glad I know... I guess I have an excuse to stick a gun in his face now

Nah, I'll probably feel bad about it afterwards.  I'll have to be extra nice to him in ME3

I see what you mean . I didn't feel bad though, Shep has the right to give the annoying fanboy a piece of harsh reality in order to save him from doing something stupid. Especially that he's been patient with him before (autograph, photo). Bonus points if you have the War Hero background. The renegade option in Conrad's third conversation refers to the Skyllian Blitz when you do, I quoted it in my previous post. It gives extra insight on Shepard's feelings about his past, shows that his heroic holding action on Elysium was a tough, brutal experience. It just adds to the character in my opinion. I've replayed ME1 from scratch just in order to choose the War Hero background after I had read Mass Effect Revelation. Some of its story takes place on Elysium. I visualised the place quite vividly while reading and then got this image of Shepard defending it. I've played a Sole Survivor before, a default backstory as I didn't really pay attention to detail that much back then.

Modifié par Shepard Wins, 07 février 2012 - 11:04 .

[MrFob]

Replay time it is indeed!
I am on Novaria at present, coming up on Rift Station. Here is my dilemma: Should I kill everybody or let them live? Usually I do all the quests on Rift Station, than I go into the hot labs, come back up and kill everyone after Captain Ventralis and his goons attack. But I am thinking of letting them live this time around and get into the main lab with the key card from the quarantine lab quest.
Ah well, too late for today anyway, I'll have it figured out by tomorrow evening I hope.

[Shepard Wins]

I never fight Ventralis because it bugs me where the hell do the civilians disappear. It's like they were never there, it makes no sense.

[MrFob]

True that. It would have been coll if they'd still be around and you'd have to pick your targets like in the paragon mission at the Sirta facility.

[instantdeath999]

Like I said in the original post, I've only read the first two Mass Effect novels. I'm likely going to read the comics and Retribution before ME3 comes out (maybe Deception, haven't decided).

So, one thing I'm curious about... is it true that Udina has become the "canon" councilor? I know, ultimately, that the novels don't necessarily have to effect the games, but I would like everything to line up. I've always chosen Anderson by default.

[MrFob]

There is one line in Retribution that states (from Andersons perspective) that he never was the councilor. I tend to just disregard that line.
I don't know mch about Deception but otherwise, the books and comics reveal Udina very clearly as coucilorand after Retribution, Anderson would be councilor anymore even if he were in the beginning of the book.
Thus, I am pretty sure in ME3, Udina will be councilor one way or another because they'll have to address the events in Retribution in some way (everything else wouldn't make much sense). However, If you disregard that one sentence (and I really don't know why Karpysun felt it necessary to include it, he commented on it but still it doesn't make much sense to me), you can very well interpred all the events in a sensical manner that has Anderson step down as councilor after ME2 (during the events of Retribution as it is).
So I wouldn't be influenced in my decision by the books, in fact, I usually choose Anderson as councilor. If in ME2, during the conversation with Miri and Jacob I would have been given the option to stay neutral (like I could do by the end of ME1), I would have taken that one but since I have to choose, I don' want to choose Udina unless I play a rather renegade Jerk-Shep.

Hope that helps, it's a pretty fine line to walk between giving enough info and not spoilering Retribution on that issue. I hope I didn't tell you too much.

[instantdeath999]

I don't really mind spoilers for Retribution, honestly. 

I suppose electing Udina does make sense, from a certain point of view.  He is a trained politician, after all.  For story purposes, in Retribution, Anderson can't too involved in the story if he's on the Council.  

Still, I have a feeling that Mass Effect 3 will make Anderson the Councilor if you chose that, on the assumption that the majority of players did not read the book.  I can be a continuity nut, so I'd rather have those things line up... but really, giving the Council position to Udina simply doesn't feel "right" for a Paragon character.