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[SomeoneStoleMyName]

[quote]TallBearNC wrote...

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those are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY to hot.. no wonder why your system just shuts off...

clean out all the dust and gunk from your fans, grills, and heat syncs.. if you have an nforce motherboard get nvidias controls and crank the fan speeds up.  unfortuantely this isn't DA's fault.. you just happened to finally find a game high powered enough to cause you heat issues because you have a cooling issue ;([/quote]

Ok case settled then, its my noob cooling not the game :innocent:

Any advice in that regard though? 

[TallBearNC]

Many games today don't REALLY use 2 FULL cores.. they say they do but don't... they use like 1.5... and will run a 2 core system at like 75%...



DA can spawn up to SEVEN worker threads thus fully using an 8 core system. It tries to always leave at least 1 core free as to not overwork it...



this isn't possibole on a 2 core system...



however in your case.... you have hope....



hit control alt del.. bring up task manager then processes.. right click on the Daorgins.exe file.. choose AFFINITY and FORCE it to use just one core or the other... you may notice a small performance hit in game... but this should keep you from over heating The game also has a single core mode too and I'm researching how to force it to boot this way for some of you 2 core users.

[Titius.Vibius]

Yup, its somewhat expensive but worth the investment since it will prevent heat from damaging your system and the potential of spending more to repair or replace your rig now.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

TallBearNC wrote...

Many games today don't REALLY use 2 FULL cores.. they say they do but don't... they use like 1.5... and will run a 2 core system at like 75%...

DA can spawn up to SEVEN worker threads thus fully using an 8 core system. It tries to always leave at least 1 core free as to not overwork it...

this isn't possibole on a 2 core system...

however in your case.... you have hope....

hit control alt del.. bring up task manager then processes.. right click on the Daorgins.exe file.. choose AFFINITY and FORCE it to use just one core or the other... you may notice a small performance hit in game... but this should keep you from over heating The game also has a single core mode too and I'm researching how to force it to boot this way for some of you 2 core users.

Thanks  But about the "you may notice a small performance hit in game" wont removing one cpu cut performance by 50%?

[TallBearNC]

Sun Nov 22 01:09:33 2009

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LEVEL MESSAGE

Platform Multi-core system detected. Using multi-threaded renderer.

Platform 8 core(s) detected, 7 worker thread(s) created.

General Initialize - Verify Platform capabilities

General Initialize - Resource Manager

General Initialize - World Database

General Initialize - Physics

General Initialize - Facial Animation

General Initialize - Graphics

Graphics Adapter is 'NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295'

Graphics Detected 4 Nvidia GPU(s) present.



This is a snip from my game log.. notice at the top...Platform Multi-core system detected. Using multi-threaded renderer... there HAS to be a command line to add the game to force a non multi core renderer

[TallBearNC]

Depends on your set up... try it and find it

[Titius.Vibius]

Depending on your cpu. CPUs are built differently and perform differently. Tried that affinity fix and performance is noticeable affected but the load times are cut in half, that I can confirm.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Gonna get some sleep its 4:30 in the morning where i live now, gonna turn the pc off to get it some rest aswell. Thanks yet again for the help ppl <3 ill see if i can get some proper cooling somehow and try your 1 cpu trick tomorrow Tallbear.

[TallBearNC]

Oh duh! Almost ALL bios' have a setting to shut OFF multi core CPU use... for dual cores it makes them single core and for quad cores it makes them 2 cores... and for 8 cores it makes them 4....



So that's another option... shut off multi core in your BIOS

[AngelofDeth99]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

Well theres lots of fans in it and theire all spinning. But as i said it never happened before. Any ideas on how to cool it more? Water cooling and all that sounds very expensive and hard to do? O.o

It may be your heatsink does not have a good "connection" to your CPU, ie installed improperly. If you have the know how, I would get some CPU thermal grease, uninstall the heatsink, apply some new grease, reinstall the heatsink. Also, I don't see how disabling one of your cores is going to do a bit of good since both your cores are overheating.

Also, since your CPU is so hot, even without running a game, you can't really say its never happened. Your system is already overheated without a game. Dragon Age just happens to put it over the edge. I would bet most modern games would do the same.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Ok guys, i vacuumed my pc. Used Q tip carefully in the fans and in tight spaces. And after 30 minutes of cleaning it out and a huge pile of nasty dust later i turned it back on. This time with an open cabinet facing outwards in the room instead of against the wall.



Result?



44/41 degees celsius. I cant frigging believe dust can make it 40 degrees cooler! In dragon age its just 60 degrees and 55 degrees now. As opposed to the previous 80-100 jump.



Still i wonder, is 60 degrees for running dragon age considered very hot? Should i still get water cooling?

[zacrobmer]

60c is not too bad for an air stock air cooled CPU. At least under load. If you live in a dusty environment or if your PC sits on the floor, get in the habit of cleaning out your PC every couple of months, every month if you also smoke around you PC. A can of compressed air around your video card heat sink will help a ton also.

[Neil Decurio]

http://s305.photobuc...nt=HPIM1089.jpg That was alot of dust! Hehe, no wonder you had high temperatures. Just a note for the future, be careful using stuff like a vacuumer to clean your PC hardware/cabinet, as it can result in shortages and damaged hardware. Like suggested earlier in the topic, q-tips and compressed air used with small short bursts is typically better.



Have you tried replacing the cover to see if the temperature goes ever so slightly down? The problem with opening the cabinet is that it makes airflow quite unpredictable (and judging by the picture your casing seemed to have decent airflow). Convection takes over from any flow patterns that might have been set up from the case fans, thus hot air rising from in example the GPU, may pass over the CPU fan and get inhaled into the heatsink--possibly making it run hotter with the cover off.



In regards to liquid cooling, I swear by it on any system I build, and temperatures are generally lower. Your casing seems it could probably be able to house a cooling tank at the bottom. But it can feel somewhat daunting and complicated the first time you install one though, and you'll need to clean out all hardware and such when you test it the first time(s), to make totally sure it's tight and leak-free, as you don't want that liquid over your electric PC hardware. 60 degrees is a bit hot, but at least much better than 100 degrees. Another solution that might help you out, can be to re-apply thermal paste/tape on your CPU heatsink after carefully cleaning it (or getting someone who knows how to do so, to help you with it).

[AngelofDeth99]

liquid cooling on a stock system is overkill... If your worried about heat, just add some case fans, an aftermarket CPU cooler, and some after market CPU grease. It should bring your temps down even more, although if you are 60 at load, that is not bad, a little warmer than you'd want but its not going to hurt anything.



and btw, as you found out, dust makes a huge temperature difference! lol I thought my GPU had gone bad once, because the temps had risen so dramatically compared to when I got it... When it was just dust buildup. It is a good idea to blow your pc out with compressed air every once in a while, although I rarely do it... Just the GPU now if I see the temps rising.

[yabbering_yeti]

Lol, I just saw all the dust in those pics. The fins were practically covered entirely with dust



All of your fans and heat sync are covered, you will need to clean them out asap - south-bridge can get hot.



There will be a lot of heat buildup in places that would normally be cooled by the case airflow but now, covered in dust, will not be making contact to cooled air.



Get rid of the ambient dust in your room, if possible. Also, try raising the case off the ground to prevent dust from getting in there.

[Titius.Vibius]

How in the Maker's paws did your PC get that abuse? No wonder you were suffering from overheating.

[Black--Hand]

At 96C you have a overheating problem. Your PC will shut off as a safety measure to prevent permanent hardware damage once a threshold is reached, this is normally around 100-105C.



Dust build up is the no 1. cause of overheating and death of hardware in PCs and consoles. Running your CPU at 90C+ for extended periods of time drastically shortens it's lifespan.



If you aren't clued up on maintaining your PC, I suggest you take it in to a computer store and ask them to clean it out and reapply thermal paste. Once you are running at a safe temperature again, if you are still having problems, we can help you further.



On a side note, it would be worthwhile to learn how to clean out your own PC and do it once every 6 months or so. Your hardware will last for years longer and will keep it running at peak performance. The hardware actually downclocks/runs slower in an attempt to get the temperature under control.

[Black--Hand]

Just saw you cleaned out your machine. 40C idle and 60C under medium-heavy load is perfectly normal, no need for any aftermarket cooling or anything like that.

[Matthew Young CT]

Dear God. That poor, poor computer. As you can see, you need to keep your PC reasonably clean, or it will bake.



Everyone who doesn't know much about computers and is having crashing problems should make sure their PC doesn't look like that

[Fester Pot]

Dust is like insulation in a house, it will keep the heat from escaping the parts it happens to be on. Always do a clean now and then with compressed air (or a vacum cleaner).

Even for DA, when my CPU reaches 58c, it freaks me out. I just remove the side casing and blow a fan into the case to bring it down to 30c when playing DA. Good air circulation is important. I have 8 fans in my case and a side case fan can help a lot too.