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[andy6915]

I was thinking earlier to myself, the Geth could join the rest of galactic society. Once they show that they aren't generally war-like and actually like and prefer peace, and especially if they help defeat the Reapers, they'll probably be offered at least an embassy. Now, for that, the Geth are going to have to make a lot more prototypes like Legion, as that it what it will take for Geth to be smart enough and able to communicate to be part of Council space. Once offered, I'm sure the Geth would be happy to accept, they find organics interesting, and this would be a fascinating experience for them.

And it could go further. To be a council member, you need to be able to provide aid, financial and otherwise, and to be able to provide ships to the Citadel fleets for defense. Geth can supply all of that. So eventually, Geth could get a council seat. From there, there would start being Geth specters. I do wonder how a Geth council member would look. Would it just look like any standard frame, or would it make a custom look and paint job to make itself unique looking to show that it's the official representative of the Geth people? Better yet, if it survived, I think Legion would be a perfect choice for Geth council person. Legion is smart, already set up to be good at it, and has combat experience fighting the Heretics and was on Shepard's team. People would probably trust Legion, seeing it as an example of what non-Heretic Geth are like.

Now, I know the Geth will have their own home setup, their sphere thing, but that doesn't mean that can't have their home majority be in their own space while also having Citadel importence. That's how every other species does it anyway.

I really do believe this is all quite possible for the Geth after ME3. It will be fun to see what happens after the end, and see if this comes about.

Modifié par andy69156915, 08 février 2012 - 08:19 .

[MakeMineMako]

I think that the geth could very well be major players on the galactic scene in the future.

[Lotion Soronarr]

All AI must be destroyed. All of it. No exceptions...

[Razgriz9327]

 if they build this (see future goals, spoilers for ME2) then they will see little need for an embassy... all they want is to be left alone

[andy6915]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

All AI must be destroyed. All of it. No exceptions...

Well aren't you just a cute little genocidal maniac...

Razgriz9327 wrote...

 if they build this (see future goals, spoilers for ME2) then they will see little need for an embassy... all they want is to be left alone

Did you miss this part of my post?

"Now, I know the Geth will have their own home setup, their sphere thing,but that doesn't mean that can't have their home majority be in their own space while also having Citadel importence. That's how every other species does it anyway."

Modifié par andy69156915, 08 février 2012 - 08:25 .

[ElitePinecone]

I understand that the galaxy might want *some* link to Citadel space, especially after hypothetical cooperation to bring down the Reapers, but in all honesty I can't see them accepting a Council position.

They could just build a communication line directly to their Dyson Sphere-esque homeworld and not even bother sending a physical representative.

[SirEtchwart]

As much as I'd love to see it happen, I almost wonder if the Geth are just too different from any other group to really fit in anywhere.

[GnusmasTHX]

Seeing as how they don't want to, I doubt there will be.

[What a Succulent Ass]

The geth have no desire to join galactic civilisation.

[GodWood]

I vote geth extermination

[incinerator950]

I support Geth awesomeness.

[andy6915]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Seeing as how they don't want to, I doubt there will be.

Don't want to? Where or when did someone ask them if they wanted it for them to say that? You assume they don't want it, but it's not like they were ever asked.

[GodWood]

andy69156915 wrote...
Don't want to? Where or when did someone ask them if they wanted it for them to say that? You assume they don't want it, but it's not like they were ever asked.

Natural assumption based on their 300 year policy of isolation, their lack of any attempt to contact any other species and their continued hostility to anyone who comes in 'their' system.

They have to take the iniative if they want to make negotiations.

Modifié par GodWood, 08 février 2012 - 08:45 .

[andy6915]

GodWood wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...
Don't want to? Where or when did someone ask them if they wanted it for them to say that? You assume they don't want it, but it's not like they were ever asked.

Natural assumption based on their 300 year policy of isolation, their lack of any attempt to contact any other species and their continued hostility to anyone who comes in 'their' system.

They have to take the iniative if they want to make negotiations.

Because their only contact to start was people trying to wipe them out for nothing they even did, and then attack 100% of the time when they think victory is likely. Geth have had excellent reason to stay away. It will be different if organics start accepting them and stop trying to kill them solely because they're AI's.

[GodWood]

Oh look it's spread over to here.

andy69156915 wrote...
Because their only contact to start was people trying to wipe them out for nothing they even did, and then attack 100% of the time when they think victory is likely.

That is because when the war was clearly won the geth continued to slaughter billions of non-combatants and have been slaughtering anyone who so much as comes near them for 300 years.

How is anyone meant to know the geth are open to peace? The geth have done nothing but present themselves as monstrous killbots for 300 years by murdering everyone that comes near them.

It will be different if organics start accepting them and stop trying to kill them solely because they're AI's.

Why does it have to be the organics who begin the negotiations? And frankly how are they meant to when they kill everyoner who comes near them?

[GnusmasTHX]

There's also the fact that they're going to upload all of themselves into the Dyson Sphere. That was the very point of creating it, so no geth had to be alone. You make it sound like units like Legion are what the geth want, when Legion himself tells you quite the opposite.

I don't see any reason for them to represent themselves when they have no interest and no need. From what Legion says it sounds like they're going to upload themselves and hide in some corner of the galaxy while they... compute.

There's also no indication that they'll be accepted, let alone universally even if they aid you in ME3. Same goes with the rachni, krogan and quarians. And vice versa. All of these factions have a bone to pick with the Council or each other that won't go away just because a desperate moment forced them together. Also letting the geth in the Council in any capacity sh*ts all over quarian relations, same goes for a whole mess of issues with letting krogans and rachni or both.

It's not as though the Soviets and Allies were the best of friends after Germany surrendered in WW2.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 08 février 2012 - 09:03 .

[andy6915]

GodWood wrote...

Oh look it's spread over to here.

andy69156915 wrote...
Because their only contact to start was people trying to wipe them out for nothing they even did, and then attack 100% of the time when they think victory is likely.

That is because when the war was clearly won the geth continued to slaughter billions of non-combatants and have been slaughtering anyone who so much as comes near them for 300 years.

How is anyone meant to know the geth are open to peace? The geth have done nothing but present themselves as monstrous killbots for 300 years by murdering everyone that comes near them.

You sure about this? It was my understanding that no one has ever even tried to ever enter Geth space since the morning war, and that all times they've killed people getting too close, it's been the Heretics. The Heretics are the only ones who have killed any organics in 300 years, the rest of the Geth have no issue with us.

And if they really wanted to wipe their creators out, they would have chased them even after they left the planet. The Geth didn't. Once they left, the Geth stopped their assault.

[incinerator950]

The Geth have been Isolationists for the last three hundred years. Only people who go in are scouts or Merchant Ships wandering off.

[GodWood]

andy69156915 wrote...
You sure about this?

Pretty sure. 

It was my understanding that no one has ever even tried to ever enter Geth space since the morning war, and that all times they've killed people getting too close, it's been the Heretics. The Heretics are the only ones who have killed any organics in 300 years, the rest of the Geth have no issue with us.

We don't know how old or recent the 'heretic' phenomenon is.

I say it's within the last 25 years because that's the time Sovereign started being active (or at least known of)

If wrong the true geth are still bastards (and isolationists) for not seeming it necessary to warn the rest of the galaxy about the heretics or the Reapers.

And if they really wanted to wipe their creators out, they would have chased them even after they left the planet. The Geth didn't. Once they left, the Geth stopped their assault.

How nice of them.

[GnusmasTHX]

andy69156915 wrote...


And if they really wanted to wipe their creators out, they would have chased them even after they left the planet. The Geth didn't. Once they left, the Geth stopped their assault.

That doesn't make any sense. You don't massacre an entire planet in conventional warfare. At some point in time the quarians must have lost military capacity BEFORE the geth reached the 7 billion murder mark. Which means they intentionally waged a war of genocide. Even if they "let" them leave the Veil, it still falls well within parameters.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 08 février 2012 - 09:13 .

[andy6915]

[quote]GnusmasTHX wrote...

There's also the fact that they're going to upload all of themselves into the Dyson Sphere. That was the very point of creating it, so no geth had to be alone. You make it sound like units like Legion are what the geth want, when Legion himself tells you quite the opposite.
[/quote]
The Heretics prove though that not all Geth share the same views. It's quite possible that some Geth wouldn't be against it. Most will want the sphere, but I'm sure a set number would be happy to join the Citadel races.

There's also no indication that they'll be accepted, let alone universally even if they aid you in ME3. Same goes with the rachni, krogan and quarians. And vice versa. All of these factions have a bone to pick with the Council or each other that won't go away just because a desperate moment forced them together. Also letting the geth in the Council in any capacity sh*ts all over quarian relations, same goes for a whole mess of issues with letting krogans and rachni or both.
[/quote]
The galaxy's war with the Reapers could change much of this. Depending on how helpful some races were, people might give all of the groups a second chance. And with the Quarians, this assumes them and the Geth will never make peace, which judging from the dialog option in ME2, isn't set in stone. ME2 seems to hint that they could possibly make peace with each other, and if so, the Quarians might not get super angry about it.

[quote]GnusmasTHX wrote...
That doesn't make any sense. You don't
massacre an entire planet in conventional warfare. At some point in time
the quarians must have lost military capacity BEFORE the geth reached
the 7 billion murder mark. Which means they intentionally waged a war of
genocide.
[/quote]

You assume so. The fact is, we don't know what the hell happened in that war. For all we know, the Quarians fought to the absolute limit of their species, forcing nothing less then that death count. Quarians could have made a world wide draft, drafting ederly and children even. We. Don't. Know.

If if they were really genocidal evil beings, why have they just been cleaning the planet after the war while honoring the dead Quarians?

Modifié par andy69156915, 08 février 2012 - 09:14 .

[GnusmasTHX]

History, dude, history. If geth joined the Council, what does that say to the quarian refugees that have withered on the vine for centuries? To the krogan who faced near extinction at the hands of the turians and salarians. What does it say to the Rachni who were never given a chance like the geth to be un-Reaper'd, and faced an extinction event of their own? These groups have issues of their own with the Council, and the Council has proven to be... inept itself.

I see the Council being dissolved as a legit ending to ME3.

Heretics were anomalous. There were the heretics, and then there were the geth. They're a race of consensus. The only reason Legion was formed was for the sole purpose of finding Shepard to help fight the Reapers. If that's over what reason do they have to interact with organic life if they can, and prefer, to sustain themselves away from them?

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 08 février 2012 - 09:38 .

[GnusmasTHX]

andy69156915 wrote...

You assume so. The fact is, we don't know what the hell happened in that war. For all we know, the Quarians fought to the absolute limit of their species, forcing nothing less then that death count. Quarians could have made a world wide draft, drafting ederly and children even. We. Don't. Know.

If if they were really genocidal evil beings, why have they just been cleaning the planet after the war while honoring the dead Quarians?

Really? Don't be ridiculous. It's not just what that is conceptually, but do you know how impossible that is logistically? Especially considering that the geth were the quarian's army.

It is irrelevant what they do afterwards, and their morality, if they had any at the time. They're machines. They probably concluded that ~10 million was enough for them to repopulate, and let them escape. It still doesn't make the murder of billions any better.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 08 février 2012 - 09:41 .

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

sorry, i'd rather nuke them and be done with it