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[Slayer299]

[quote]WizenSlinky0 wrote...
You're telling me there was never another time in 300 years where it wouldn't have been useful to have a scout outside the Perseus Veil? Yeah, ok. The fact it was an experiment they carried out is really proof enough for me they have changed and evolved enough.
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The Geth didn't care about anything outside the Veil, so no, they didn't have any scouts go outside. An experiment does not automatically mean that as a group they have 'evolved' as you seem to love saying here. An experiment is 'let's see what happens when we do...this!', it does not mean a group like the Geth have evolved.
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No, they were exceptionally good workers because they could crowd-source their low-level processes to allow them to complete more complex tasks. Their programming should essentially be the same, such that once the geth are within significant distance of eachother, the shared experiences coordinate to reach a single most effective solution.
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The Geth were good workers because they could network to increase their intellience to handle more complex tasks and also to use varying perspectives to find the most effective solution to the problem they were working to complete.

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Just because they don't see themselves as individuals means they aren't? Really? How odd. I mean, its not like if you had learning capabilities, being repeatedly told you are a synthetic with no consciousness would ever sink in. I would postulate they were condiontioned by their enviroment to eliminate their independence, rather than not having it.
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The Geth were conditioned by their environment???? You make it sound like the Geth were brainwashed or something along those lines where they have been made to not believe they are individuals anymore. How can you tell a machine its not an individual? Are you worrying about yelling at your toaster when it burns your toast now or maybe you'll be conditioning it to elminate its independence.


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The fact their processes can disagree means they have individual quirks and personalities that process the same information in different ways. Inherently, they cannot be considered a single collective self but a symbiotic synthetic.
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How do you get the understanding the Geth have personality quirks and from where do you get that idea? Because they don't reach consensus? If so, I can't see the correlation with programs having different perspectives and what is the most *efficient* course to take to how that means the Geth have individuality they don't express and personality quirks. You are reading human traits into a group that acts along lines of strict logic and efficiency.

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They have a long long way to go without outside forces intervening, but they are evolving.
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They have about fifty millennia at least before that word even comes close to meaning anything when applied to the Geth.

Modifié par Slayer299, 09 février 2012 - 02:05 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

GodWood wrote...

When the war was clearly won the geth continued to slaughter billions and billions of inoccent non-combatants who didn't even have any involvement in the decision to terminate them.

Where do you get this piece of information.

If 99% of the quarians have been killed, it's pretty self-evident.

The frist things to go in the war would be your best military units. Run that number in your head again.
Reduce the US population by half, prioritizing military assets.  All effective resistance will be long gone by that point.

Any nation or rece reduced by half is crippled in every sense - economicily, industrially, military.

Once your enemy ceses to be a proper threat, further killing is pointless.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Spartanburger wrote...

"There have always been ghosts in the machine. Random segments of code, that have grouped together to form unexpected protocols. Unanticipated, these free radicals engender questions of free will, creativity, and even the nature of what we might call the soul. Why is it that when some robots are left in darkness, they will seek out the light? Why is it that when robots are stored in an empty space, they will group together, rather than stand alone? How do we explain this behavior? Random segments of code? Or is it something more? When does a perceptual schematic become consciousness? When does a difference engine become the search for truth? When does a personality simulation become the bitter mote... of a soul?"

Never, that's when.

[Poison_Berrie]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

If 99% of the quarians have been killed, it's pretty self-evident.

The frist things to go in the war would be your best military units. Run that number in your head again.
Reduce the US population by half, prioritizing military assets.  All effective resistance will be long gone by that point.

Any nation or rece reduced by half is crippled in every sense - economicily, industrially, military.

Once your enemy ceses to be a proper threat, further killing is pointless.

Not if they keep fighting. If the other side keeps shooting and fighting shoot the winners just shrug and let them?
Now I don't know if that did happen, perhaps the Geth methodically killed every Quarian.
But I can't really say how the entire thing went on  and what both sides did.

Besides I don't think all Quarian deaths had to come from Geth and direct fighting. Both sides very likely used WMDs and considering they weren't on two different continents collateral damage would be wide spread on both sides.
I'd say WMDs deployed by both side during the war could very well make up for a large kill count, but the Geth by their very nature could probably role better with the consequences than the Quarians.

[GnusmasTHX]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

If 99% of the quarians have been killed, it's pretty self-evident.

The frist things to go in the war would be your best military units. Run that number in your head again. 
Reduce the US population by half, prioritizing military assets.  All effective resistance will be long gone by that point.

Any nation or rece reduced by half is crippled in every sense - economicily, industrially, military.

Once your enemy ceses to be a proper threat, further killing is pointless.

Not if they keep fighting. If the other side keeps shooting and fighting shoot the winners just shrug and let them?
Now I don't know if that did happen, perhaps the Geth methodically killed every Quarian. 
But I can't really say how the entire thing went on  and what both sides did.

Besides I don't think all Quarian deaths had to come from Geth and direct fighting. Both sides very likely used WMDs and considering they weren't on two different continents collateral damage would be wide spread on both sides. 
I'd say WMDs deployed by both side during the war could very well make up for a large kill count, but the Geth by their very nature could probably role better with the consequences than the Quarians.

Children and seniors can't keep fighting. Even if they did, they wouldn't be armed. Geth could subdue them non-lethally.

The fact that the geth WERE the quarians primary weapon of warfare suggests that the quarian army was poorly armed from the onset of the war. If the geth were kept in military bases, then logistically, the quarians lost the majority of their war assets from the very beginning.

Quarians wouldn't have nuked themselves, especially with how pervasive the geth presence had to have been if household servant bots turned on their masters.

The geth on the other hand would, their mortality isn't bound to their platform. They'd be fine with it, and frankly, would find it the most efficient method. That's likely what happened.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 09 février 2012 - 01:39 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

My Theory (Updated):
Admiral Koris ideas seems good for Quarian in the flotilla and for the purpose of war. Both sides will forgive each other and co-exist peacefully on the homeplanet.

The things that must be done is 'Peace proposal' by Quarians and plus 'guarantying non-hostile relations' (on behalf of other races) and 'informing the Council' of this plan using direct speech (no radio transmission)

Fighting with the reapers for gaining independence and acceptance:
It is absolutely recomended that the Geth Armada fights with the reapers at the first front with all their forces, then others help them from other directions.

If they survive this first battle they're allowed to live peacefully (by the galactic treaty) in the galaxy after the war and have few territories on Quarian Homeplanet.
The point is even if they survive this battle, their numbers will be so thin and they won't be a treat anymore.

My Genuine Plan is ultimately for favor of everyone.

More troops to fight the reapers (considering rewriting the Base and this peace), doing Koris plan and returing of Quarians to their Homeworld, removing Geth danger without completely annihilating them, obtaining Geth freedom and Galactic Peace.

Also there is a chance that they don't survive this battle.

Now do you consider commenting on this theory?

[somecthemes]

.....Geth danger without completely annihilating them, obtaining Geth freedom and Galactic Peace.
Also there is a chance that they don't survive this battle.
Now do you consider commenting on this theory?

Works for me.

[Poison_Berrie]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Quarians wouldn't have nuked themselves, especially with how pervasive the geth presence had to have been if household servant bots turned on their masters.

Would they really never do that?

[GnusmasTHX]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Quarians wouldn't have nuked themselves, especially with how pervasive the geth presence had to have been if household servant bots turned on their masters.

Would they really never do that?

Yes. Look at it logically. If they had prepared to escape, they wouldn't have nuked themselves. Nuking yourself is something you do if you had no other options. They obviously had other options.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

somecthemes wrote...

.....Geth danger without completely annihilating them, obtaining Geth freedom and Galactic Peace.
Also there is a chance that they don't survive this battle.
Now do you consider commenting on this theory?

Works for me.

You only need 10 levels of NWN/KOTOR 'Persuade' skill to convince them, dammit!

[Poison_Berrie]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Yes. Look at it logically. If they had prepared to escape, they wouldn't have nuked themselves. Nuking yourself is something you do if you had no other options. They obviously had other options.

Sometimes logic would dictate you sacrifice part of your population if it dealt a big blow against your enemy. Especialy if you feared they could/would deploy WMDs against you.

I just don't think the massacre would be so big if both sides didn't fought tooth and nail.

Overall, though, it just seems silly to say that the Geth were the worse side in that conflict when we don't actually know what either side did during the war.

[the almighty moo]

i dont see it happening, the geth have very little concern for organics and thier petty needs.

[Ice Cold J]

If they do, Legion would probably be the Ambassador since he's had the most "experience" with organics.
Although, all geth have a single mind and consciousness, so I guess they could send any platform to the Citadel with Legion's collected data and it would be the same thing.