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[incinerator950]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

You assume so. The fact is, we don't know what the hell happened in that war. For all we know, the Quarians fought to the absolute limit of their species, forcing nothing less then that death count. Quarians could have made a world wide draft, drafting ederly and children even. We. Don't. Know.

If if they were really genocidal evil beings, why have they just been cleaning the planet after the war while honoring the dead Quarians?

Really? Don't be ridiculous. It's not just what that is conceptually, but do you know how impossible that is logistically? Especially considering that the geth were the quarian's army.

It is irrelevant what they do afterwards, and their morality, if they had any at the time. They're machines. They probably concluded that ~10 million was enough for them to repopulate, and let them escape. It still doesn't make the murder of billions any better.

Doesn't justify killing off another species either. 

[Icinix]

All artificially created life eventually will seek out and destroy its masters.

[incinerator950]

Icinix wrote...

All artificially created life eventually will seek out and destroy its masters.

If presented with the logic and without the capcity to understand why.  It would be no different then another species wanting to wipe someone out.

[Sweawm]

As much as I admire Bioware for writing such an interesting race into the Mass Effect universe, I actually don't like them very much overall. While Mass Effect never clarifies the exact facts surrounding the Morning War (Does it really need to be clarified? I believe it was left open to fans interpretation), I still believe that the Geth are more in the wrong than the Quarians.

I mean: The Geth only fought back when they determined that their very existence was threatened. But why did they decide that extermination was the only way to go about this? Geth don't die when their platforms are destroyed, they simply either transfer or back up from a previous image. The Geth could of easily have commenced an escape themselves, having control over a majority of machinery. They could of gone off somewhere else in the Veil not assessable to organics. Organic civilizations center around the Mass Relays, not straying far from them because FTL between star clusters would outweigh organic lifetimes, but the Geth could easily just flew to another star cluster and never encountered organics again.
But maybe all that is just another assumption (Geth may of not had the restoring ability at the time or the Quarians may of been capable of purging entire hubs)

Artificial Intelligences and Organics can not get along, especially with those like Geth who are are isolationist. Assuming Mass Effect 3 ends all nicely and peacefully, relations with the Geth could only remain for so long until things collapse again. There was a good point in Mass Effect 1 that people seem to forget: "What possible use does a Geth have for organics?"
Really. Beyond studying them, all organics do is waste resources that could of possibly been used by the Collective. Plus; there will always be someone who attacks the Geth. Honestly, I think the galaxy would be too scared to actually attack the Geth themselves, so there wouldn't be anymore threat to their existence.
At the end of the day, there simply is no actual reason why the Geth should cooperate or even communicate with organics. Organics waste resources and do illogical things out of favor with the majority opinion.

[Fixers0]

We could better spend our money in increasing the Systems Alliance defence Budget

[AlexXIV]

They are machines. We don't know if they are really alive or just very good at imitating life. And as some people already said, they have probably no desire to join galactic civilisation. They just want to be left alone. Fair enough if you asked me. As long as they don't cause trouble.

[Icinix]

incinerator950 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

All artificially created life eventually will seek out and destroy its masters.

If presented with the logic and without the capcity to understand why.  It would be no different then another species wanting to wipe someone out.

Yeah, I'm just trollin'.

I love the Geth.

I think they've developed more awesomely thanks to Legion - but they still have a way to go yet.

[CaptainZaysh]

Peace in our time, eh, Andy?

[Siegdrifa]

incinerator950 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

All artificially created life eventually will seek out and destroy its masters.

If presented with the logic and without the capcity to understand why.  It would be no different then another species wanting to wipe someone out.

Or just someone to turn against someone.

Watch star wars... any son could turn on his father (for slighting different point of view with the father i might add), the message is clear ! fathers, kill you sons to prevent a tragedy ! 
/ sarcasm

I personnaly wouldn't see them as council member, but an embassy  would be a good and intresting thing, the writters could have lot of fun discribing how geth socialise with the spieces in the citadel, especialy because unlike curent sapient liform they see things differently, the point of view of drug usage analysed by Legion is awsomely funny and yet not totaly innacurate.
If if get ME3 i would expect lot of this fun understanding / missunderstanding with the geth faction.

[atheelogos]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

All AI must be destroyed. All of it. No exceptions...

.........................really?........

[Icinix]

atheelogos wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

All AI must be destroyed. All of it. No exceptions...

.........................really?........

It rubs the lotion or it gets the hosed out of existence.

[atheelogos]

Random Jerkface wrote...

The geth have no desire to join galactic civilisation.

u don't know that. They've never had the opportunity before. If we give them one they might

[atheelogos]

Icinix wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

All AI must be destroyed. All of it. No exceptions...

.........................really?........

It rubs the lotion or it gets the hosed out of existence.

lol

But really though I'll never understand why people want to destroy other creatures simply because their different.

[Siegdrifa]

atheelogos wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

The geth have no desire to join galactic civilisation.

u don't know that. They've never had the opportunity before. If we give them one they might

What we know from Legion is that "true geths" want to build their own futur.
But they also seems to seek understanding from other life form (especialy because of the morning war), and their "experience" by sending false information to see how "organics" react.

May be they prepare them-self for further socialisation in the future, until they reach a better understanding of organics.

[DJBare]

It was a side quest in ME1 that got me thinking twice about the geth, after capturing a bunker a transmission is sent out to geth space, not classified data but a quarian singing.

[Clearly Balkan]

Sorry OP but I don't see this happening no matter what role (even positive) of Geth is in ME3.

[Icinix]

atheelogos wrote...

Icinix wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

All AI must be destroyed. All of it. No exceptions...

.........................really?........

It rubs the lotion or it gets the hosed out of existence.

lol

But really though I'll never understand why people want to destroy other creatures simply because their different.

Fear of the inability to understand how another sentient gets to the conclusion that it does.

Its like the fact that with everything we know - people still see animals as mindless dirty food stuff / pets / or just rodents. Self awareness should be an elevating factor above race superiority - but alas - we're not anywhere near there yet.

[andy6915]

Luc0s wrote...
All geth should be destroyed.

Luc0s wrote...
They want to be left alone.

Wow, you want to kill sapient beings that don't even want to bother anyone, by your own words? Wow, you're a far bigger monster then you make Geth out to be. What's wrong with you?

Modifié par andy69156915, 08 février 2012 - 11:46 .

[CaptainZaysh]

andy69156915 wrote...

Wow, you want to kill sapient beings that don't even want to bother anyone, by your own words? Wow, you're a far bigger monster then you make Geth out to be. What's wrong with you?

Nearly all the time that's also true of the Reapers.  They just want to hang out on their own in dark space, not bothering anybody, too.

[DJBare]

Luc0s wrote...
The only exception seems to be EDI. She's close to a real person. Maybe the fact that she's build from reaper technology has something to do with it?

EDI does not speak in mechanical tones, and the art work would clearly create a bias in peoples perception, she is still an AI with no organic componants that I'm aware of.

[Icemix]

Luc0s wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...
All geth should be destroyed.

Luc0s wrote...
They want to be left alone.

Wow, you want to kill sapient beings that don't even want to bother anyone, by your own words? Wow, you're a far bigger monster then you make Geth out to be. What's wrong with you?

If the geth keeps continueing to grow in power and intelligence, they become more powerful than any species in the galaxy. That's dangerous. Therefor we need to deal with them the same way the salarians dealt with the krogan. Since the geth are not organics, we cannot inflict a genophage on them. So the only solution is extermination. If we don't exterminate them soon, it will be too late. A technological singularity will happen, machine overpowering men. We would become completely inferior to them.

Besides, a geth cannot be killed. Killing a geth would be like saying you kill your computer. You can't kill a machine, you can merely destroy it.

A geth isn't truly sentient or sapient by the way, so destroying the geth is not genocide or mass murder or anything like that.

You are trying to justify genocide of a peaceful race with wild guesses? They clearly show no signs of hostility towards organics and you want to exterminate them because they "may" or "could" turn on organics in the future? You, Lotion and GodWood should go check yourselfs because there is clearly something wrong with you.