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[Stalker]

I am sure about everything with my own reasoning, but this is the most complicated decision for me. 
Should you rewrite the virus of the Heretics or destroy their base?

I first decided to destroy it, because I believed that when the Reapers arrive, they get overwritten again. It's not hard for Reapers to control Geth. Also, the fact that you helped the Geth in getting stronger as a race, could be a reason of the possible Quarian-Geth war to end badly.

Now, that I play through ME2 again, I am not so sure anymore... 

Could you use the Geth reinforcements to defend the galaxy?

[Forst1999]

The heretics are a small fragment of the Geth. I don't have the exact number right now, but i think that the risk of them becoming heretics again (and maybe causing damage to the other Geth) is to big compared to the benefits.

[Stalker]

Forst1999 wrote...

The heretics are a small fragment of the Geth. I don't have the exact number right now, but i think that the risk of them becoming heretics again (and maybe causing damage to the other Geth) is to big compared to the benefits.

Really? I mean, with the support of a single Reaper they managed to successfully attack the Citadel, the best protected place in the Galaxy.

[Forst1999]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Forst1999 wrote...

The heretics are a small fragment of the Geth. I don't have the exact number right now, but i think that the risk of them becoming heretics again (and maybe causing damage to the other Geth) is to big compared to the benefits.

Really? I mean, with the support of a single Reaper they managed to successfully attack the Citadel, the best protected place in the Galaxy.

I guess they produced a whole lot of new Geth to make their war happen (or the "true Geth" must be very, very, VERY numerous for the "small percentage" thing to be true). Also Sovereign gets most credit for the assault, so i'd not overestimate them.
Consider that the heretics also must have suffered big losses during the battle for the Citadel and afterwards. I doubt they are significant enough to make the risk acceptable anymore.

[Haasth]

I haven't decided on my course of action with my 'main' playthrough as of yet (About to do that actually) but I think I will go with destroying the Heretics.

There's just something that doesn't sound particularly smart about risking to leave a backdoor into the heretic Geth in the hopes of them joining you instead of their machine gods. Especially considering with all that technology, I'm sure the Reapers could get their little pets back if they so desire.

I assume that if you rewrite them you will have a stronger Geth presence capable of stopping the Reapers, but probably also have a part of them joining the Reapers as your enemies. 
In the end, I don't think I'd risk that. Plus, destroying them likely gets you a better status with the Quarians. 

Modifié par Haasth, 08 février 2012 - 08:47 .

[seirhart]

I always rewrite the geth

[Stalker]

Forst1999 wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Forst1999 wrote...

The heretics are a small fragment of the Geth. I don't have the exact number right now, but i think that the risk of them becoming heretics again (and maybe causing damage to the other Geth) is to big compared to the benefits.

Really? I mean, with the support of a single Reaper they managed to successfully attack the Citadel, the best protected place in the Galaxy.

I guess they produced a whole lot of new Geth to make their war happen (or the "true Geth" must be very, very, VERY numerous for the "small percentage" thing to be true). Also Sovereign gets most credit for the assault, so i'd not overestimate them.
Consider that the heretics also must have suffered big losses during the battle for the Citadel and afterwards. I doubt they are significant enough to make the risk acceptable anymore.

The hologram on Ilos said that without the Geth, a Reaper wouldn't have stood a chance against a whole fleet. Their support made the difference in the attack. In addition to that, Sovereign itself has destroyed up to 3 (?) ships in the fight, while the Geth destroyed the majority of the Citadel-Defense and the later attacking ships from the Alliance.

Also, the Heretics may be a small percentage in ME1-2, but they are just Geth that are controlled. What if the Reapers arrive and take control of even more in an instant? They should have that technology.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 08 février 2012 - 11:12 .

[Forst1999]

Mr Massakka wrote...

The hologram on Ilos said that without the Geth, a Reaper wouldn't have stood a chance against a whole fleet. Their support made the difference in the attack. In addition to that, Sovereign itself has destroyed up to 3 (?) ships in the fight, while the Geth destroyed the majority of the Citadel-Defense and the later attacking ships from the Alliance.

I wasn't trying to downplay their part in the attack, nor is this really important for this discussion. But i still think there isn't that much left of the strength they had in this moment. It's sure they are the significantly smaller part of the species, and i think they are prone to just becoming heretics again.

Also, the Heretics may be a small percentage in ME1-2, but they are just Geth that are controlled. What if the Reapers arrive and take control of even more in an instant? They should have that technology.

I don't know if they have this technology (which would be castatrophic), but in this case, rewriting or destroying the heretics wouldn't matter either way.

[GrayWolf277]

You seem to forget what Legion said about the Heritics. They may have followed Sovereign once, but m ostly because they personally thought the reapers to be gods. By rewriting them, Legion was completely eraseing them basically and giving them Legions' thoughts and perspective. So essentially you are killing the Heretics and gving birth to more of the Legion Geth. Also, the heratics have been weakened due to the war with the Alliance, it is said a few times that the Alliance has ounded them pretty hard. The Legion Geth seem to not want to be involved with organics at all, however they also despise the reapers, thus they will ikely fight under "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" making themuseful allies in ME3. Further, if i rememebr correctly, Legion decided to overwrite the heratics by one vote, but was still heavily conflicted so they chose Shepard to choose. Lastly, about fearing the Quarian war, Legion is MANY geth in one unit. They have shown their willingness to compromise with Tali, a Quarian. Thiscoudl mean that future compromise and peace btween Geth and Quarians is possible

[lakdav]

The only thing besides the resources the heretics had before the rewrite is their experience with organics. I am much more worried about that than their numbers. I mean think about. The geth get stronger by accepting back the former heretics, thus integrating their experiences. The heretics had more live experience with organics in a year than the geth beyond the Veil for 3 centuries. And what did they experience? War with organics.

I have no idea how the true geth when united with the rewritten heretics will react to those new experiences. The last time they had something like this was the Morning War and they became isolationists. It is possible that they would recognise and 'regret' the decisions that lead to those experiences. What matters much here is Legion, as the only source of experience of actualy cooperate with organics. (aside from Saren, but i only consider him as a channel to cooperate with the Reapers against organics)

[AntenDS]

@lakdav i forgot if it when this happened but Legion told Shepard that the Geth actually listened in to organic's conversations and what not via tapping into the extranet. I am pretty sure the Legion Geth know a great deal about organics and the Heretic Geth info really won't phase them too much.

[lakdav]

@AntenDS You are right, but i wrote "live experience". I meant actualy meeting organics in the flesh (so to speak). They know much about organics for sure, but it is experince that makes them care about what they know. Not sure if they would have studied organics in the first place if they were not created by them and went to war with them. They mostly seem to care about improving themselves. Understanding organics is more of a side-project.

[Stalker]

I just decided to destroy it, though I am not completely sure about it.

My reason: The heretics are only a small fragment. Their minor support is not worth the risk of a bad outcome for the normal Geth.

Now I can only hope BioWare is also rewarding people like me, not just "the Paragon is always the best choice" way.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 10 février 2012 - 10:51 .

[lakdav]

On the other hand, I can imagine the geth developing a kind of immunity to the rewrite virus if it was used on them at least once. Synthetic 'evolution' can be much faster and much more directed by self optimisation.

Besides, if we follow the logic of 'leave as less possible future puppets alive as possible"...we just might end up with an empty galaxy. Looks like everybody and everything can be indoctrinated.

[Reorte]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I just decided to destroy it, though I am not completely sure about it.

My reason: The heretics are only a small fragment. Their minor support is not worth the risk of a bad outcome for the normal Geth.

Now I can only hope BioWare is also rewarding people like me, not just "the Paragon is always the best choice" way.

I hope so too, even though I play down the Paragon route. Sometimes the harder choice is the right choice (although IMO it's not really obvious that one option is any more Paragon than the other here).

What might be useful for not blowing them up is the inside knowledge they've probably got on the Reapers thanks to Sovereign.