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[tmp7704]

(SciFi) Writers Have No Sense Of Scale leading to Planet Ville

(in other news, queen Victoria is dead. more news at 11)

edit: and regarding argument about expensive space travels, that doesn't account for the home worlds of individual species.

Modifié par tmp7704, 08 février 2012 - 06:22 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

This is what we've taken to moaning at now?

An observation =/= moaning. There's no point in posting if you've nothing to contribute.

Maybe they felt the fact they bothered to post at all was the contribution. Yeah, that's right. Soak it in. Soooaaaaak.

I need a nap.

[AlanC9]

Bleachrude wrote...
For the citadel, the numbers are actually reasonable. Remember, what you're looking for is not "just population" but population density.

Ward length = 43.6 km
Ward Width - 330m

Total ward area = 14.388 square liometres

5 wards thus give an area of 71.94 kilometres squared.
Assuming population is equally dispersed, you end up with a population density of 183, 486 per square kilometre

From Wikipedia, Manila currently has the highest population density in our world at 43, 079  per square kilometre.

The Citadel is literally 4 times as dense as Manila and 9 times as dense as Paris.

Note that the Citadel probably is more vertical than a normal 21st century city. Manhattan's got a lot of tall buildings, but there are also a lot of 4-5 story buildings as well. I don't know the average depth of a Citadel arm so I don't have a good way to calculate the volume of the Citadel, but Bio's population numbers seem plausible.

[LOLandStuff]

essarr71 wrote...

Really, guys? No one is going to make a pre-order cancelled joke here? This topic is ripe for it.

Im disappointed BSN. You guys are slipping.

Completely forgot. Thanks for reminding me.

[MostlyAutumn]

Didn't one of the councillors say that Council decisions affect trillions of lives in ME1? And Renegade Shep says something about sacrificing thousands to save trillions at the end of the Arrival.

[ReveurIngenu]

I used the planet of Coruscant as an example, but in no means did I say I wanted a planet with such a high popluation. 1 trillion does seem excessive. I think more planets, worlds, or colonies with populations in the billions would have been reasonable instead of mostly millions that we've gotten.

And that article about Scifi writers not having any sense of scale is so true.

[Heraxion]

MostlyAutumn wrote...

Didn't one of the councillors say that Council decisions affect trillions of lives in ME1? And Renegade Shep says something about sacrificing thousands to save trillions at the end of the Arrival.

I have always take those comments to be exaggerations. I just can't imagine humanity reaching the position it has in galactic politics if there are trillions of aliens in the galaxy.

Modifié par Heraxion, 08 février 2012 - 06:25 .

[ncknck]

Ehh, threadstarter. Human population is shrinking. Earth has only 1 billion inhabitants, and the rest are still trying figure out what the hell they are living for. Im pretty sure Illium doesnt have its "Africa", full of people with 40y life expectancy, whose sole preoccupation seems to be killing each other.

Developed countries have a negative population growth, after the initial population explosion only 100 years ago! So who knows where the figure actually stabilizes.

[AlanC9]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

I used the planet of Coruscant as an example, but in no means did I say I wanted a planet with such a high popluation. 1 trillion does seem excessive. I think more planets, worlds, or colonies with populations in the billions would have been reasonable instead of mostly millions that we've gotten. .

Which planets that we've actually seen should have had higher populations? Ilium's about the only plausible one for a big population, and that world's only marginally habitable.

[Heraxion]

AlanC9 wrote...

ReveurIngenu wrote...

I used the planet of Coruscant as an example, but in no means did I say I wanted a planet with such a high popluation. 1 trillion does seem excessive. I think more planets, worlds, or colonies with populations in the billions would have been reasonable instead of mostly millions that we've gotten. .

Which planets that we've actually seen should have had higher populations? Ilium's about the only plausible one for a big population, and that world's only marginally habitable.

We haven't seen many planets with large populations ( The one where we pick up Grunt has 2 billion so that one is large) but that is because the Attican Traverse and the Terminus Systems are mostly unpopulated regions of the galaxy.

Modifié par Heraxion, 08 février 2012 - 06:32 .

[AlanC9]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

We may need a thread like this after we see the ME3 Codex entries, but there's nothing wrong with ME1 and 2.

[Gabey5]

Most people would stay on homeworld

[WizenSlinky0]

Gabey5 wrote...

Most people would stay on homeworld

Bet they'll regret that decision in ME3

[Bleachrude]

If anything, there's a couple of planets in ME2 that have too HIGH a population figure (Anhur I'm looking at you...)

[ReveurIngenu]

I guess I just would have like to be marveled, to read about a planet or solar system with such unexpected or unusual characteristics that I couldn't help but try to imagine how such a planet could exist and maybe not be able to. The universe is so big that I just wanted something in the ME2 universe to make me feel like we are small and insignificant and that there are things so much bigger and unexpected and beautiful out there and to just leave me in awe.

Yet, everything in ME has been really small and just not mind-blowing, very Earthlike. I don't know. I guess I'm just disappointed that everything seems to small in the ME universe with no real sense of any grandeur or anything.

[ncknck]

The numbers are made up. Who cares. There is no Citadel. Its a game.

[essarr71]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

I guess I just would have like to be marveled, to read about a planet or solar system with such unexpected or unusual characteristics that I couldn't help but try to imagine how such a planet could exist and maybe not be able to. The universe is so big that I just wanted something in the ME2 universe to make me feel like we are small and insignificant and that there are things so much bigger and unexpected and beautiful out there and to just leave me in awe.

Yet, everything in ME has been really small and just not mind-blowing, very Earthlike. I don't know. I guess I'm just disappointed that everything seems to small in the ME universe with no real sense of any grandeur or anything.

There are dozens of worlds that have little back history and myths that play no role in the story but are there to make it more colorful. Every planet has a detailed description even if theyre nothing special.  Id say thats damn imaginative. 

[Poison_Berrie]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

As for not having any industry, with space travel, I'm sure people could live on the planet but work on another planet nearby.  You're thinking in too small a scale.  Not everything needs to be available or be done in one place (in this case, on the planet Coruscant).  With interstellaire traval, whatever the planet lacks can be found elsewhere.  Just like today, people travel to other countries, work in other countries where ressources are easily found.  

But why continue living on a planet that's full to the bursting, with high prices and having to travel every day to some other place?

Not to mention a planet like Coruscant has other problems. Temperatures would be dangerously high, which would spell doom for the already low amount of plant life. Pollutants would cause permanent smog clouds. CO2 levels could become toxic quite easily. 
Coruscant would be in a constant battle to not become a dead planet.

Considering the planets we've gone to up until now, the populations haven't been way of. 
The homeworlds in ME 3, should show us more on whether they can get a good high population number.

[Peer of the Empire]

Be glad that overpopulation has not instantly followed us whereever we go across the stars

[Nial Black-Knee]

Ops main point is really not realistic, since as Shepard we have almost exclusively been traveling in the outskirts of colonized space.

I would surmise that if you were to travel deeper into Turian,Volus,Asari, or Elchor space you would find some higher density population centers. Maybe planets to rival the density of Earth.

It would seem logical if you base your theory on what we know today, that there are not livable planets in every solar system out there. That the best planets will have a high pop. density. But these planets are not the fringe colonies we have been seeing in the game.

[Almostfaceman]

This is kinda a silly thing to grouse about, no offense. 

[Inquisitor Recon]

Well I suppose the benefit to the reapers is that they'll clear up the housing and overpopulation problem.

[Lightweight Nate]

Colony worlds really help spread out populations. Could you honestly say you would want to live in Shanghai if you had the chance to live on a clean and less densely populated colony world?

[VolusvsReaper]

Exia001 wrote...

This is what we've taken to moaning at now?

Yea...people want to find any little flaw they can with Mass Effect and Bioware

[Wulfram]

I don't think it's really moaning. It's having a fun discussion about demographics.