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[Iakus]

Han Shot First wrote...





I think people are overreacting to that shot of Liara in a breathing mask. In the same shot, Shepard and Vega are seen without either helmets or a breathing mask. So it is obvious they aren't in a vacuum or hazardous enviroment at that point.

I would hope there is a good explanation of why Liara is wearing that breathing mask during that scene, but without more information I'm not going to launch into a 'preorder cancelled' rant.

The problem is:  the last time Liara wore a mask like that was in the atmosphere of Hagalaz, one of the more ridiculous examples of Rule of Cool-Brand breathing masks.

 Seeing her in that once more doesn't bode well for practical outfits in ME3.  If it follows ME2's model in this, then that's the only head covering Liara will have, regardless of enviromental conditions.  And that mask wouldn't help against tear gas, let alone a stroll across the Moon.

[mineralica]

jcraft wrote...

I never considered this whole breather mask thing as some major issue (only something stupid). But in ME3 case there is something that's bothers me:
Ashley/Kaidan - full body armor with helmet
James Vega - full body armor with helmet
Garrus - full body armor with helmet
Tali - obvious thing is obvious
spoiler squadmate #1 - got it covered too
spoiler squadmate #2 - full body armor with helmet

and Liara - breather mask... ???

I'm just hoping that her ingame alternative outfit (not one from CE DLC) is at least some light armor with helmet.

So far we saw only Ash and James with helmet, if I'm not mistaken. I'd laugh very hard if Garrus and Kaidan would wear breathing mask with bulky armor of theirs, though.

And about overreacting about that screenshot: how about overreacting about this screenshot?

Modifié par mineralica, 09 février 2012 - 06:28 .

[Han Shot First]

The problem is:  the last time Liara wore a mask like that was in the atmosphere of Hagalaz, one of the more ridiculous examples of Rule of Cool-Brand breathing masks.

 Seeing her in that once more doesn't bode well for practical outfits in ME3.  If it follows ME2's model in this, then that's the only head covering Liara will have, regardless of enviromental conditions.  And that mask wouldn't help against tear gas, let alone a stroll across the Moon.

ME2 definitely had some issues with characters wearing inappropriate outfits in the vacuum. It was handled much better in Mass Effect 1 where everone wore a helmet and combat armor when exposed to the vacuum or while in hostile enviroments.

But that screenshot of the breathing mask doesn't necessarily mean that Mass Effect 3 will follow Mass Effect 2's example. We don't know why Liara is wearing the mask, and Shepard and Vega are wearing neither a mask or a helmet in the same shot.

And about overreacting about that screenshot: what about overreacting about this screenshot?

I haven't read the leaks and have been trying to avoid spoilers. Whether or not the breathing mask deserves criticism depends on the conditions in the enviroment she's in. That can't be determined from most screenshots.

Are the masks/helmets being worn just because of a lack of oxygen in that facility or is there a hull breach somewhere, where the entire facility is exposed to the vacuum?

Modifié par Han Shot First, 09 février 2012 - 06:30 .

[mineralica]

No, I was just suggesting that instead of overreacting about screenshot with James and Shepard without any headwear and Liara in breathing mask it's better to overreact about screenshot I provided with James and Shepard in full helmets and Liara in breathing mask. It was just poor wording on my side.

Modifié par mineralica, 09 février 2012 - 06:31 .

[Knubbsal]

Thane, Samara and Mordin have just masks too. Seems vacuum environments and extreme weather aren't much of a problem for other species.

[Nonoru]

I can accept masks for aliens, but for humans it didn't make much sense.(Right Miranda ?)

[GodWood]

Knubbsal wrote...
Thane, Samara and Mordin have just masks too. Seems vacuum environments and extreme weather aren't much of a problem for other species.

Since Miranda, Jack and Jacob all wear facemasks this clearly isn't a lore thing. It's a Bioware being stupid thing.

Also Thane's mask covers his whole head

[Blacklash93]

GodWood wrote...
It's a Bioware being stupid thing.

No, it's a conscious aesthetic choice. Perfectly viable even if it is unrealistic.

[GodWood]

Blacklash93 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
It's a Bioware being stupid thing.

No, it's a conscious aesthetic choice. Perfectly viable even if it is unrealistic.

No it's just your standard Bioware lore breaking 'rule-of-cool' stupid thing.

[Blacklash93]

GodWood wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
It's a Bioware being stupid thing.

No, it's a conscious aesthetic choice. Perfectly viable even if it is unrealistic.

No it's just your standard Bioware lore breaking 'rule-of-cool' stupid thing.

I don't remember the lore specifically saying anything about the dangers of face-masks in outer-space. Rather that's just how it works in the real world, which Mass Effect is not set in.

And "Rule of Cool" is perfectly viable. It's a design decision and not inherently "stupid".

[_symphony]

Blacklash93 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
It's a Bioware being stupid thing.

No, it's a conscious aesthetic choice. Perfectly viable even if it is unrealistic.

Making unrealistic choices due to aesthetic values is generally known as "being stupid".

Also I fail to see how BioWare can't be creative enough for make a pretty asari helmet 

Modifié par _symphony, 09 février 2012 - 07:06 .

[Blacklash93]

_symphony wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
It's a Bioware being stupid thing.

No, it's a conscious aesthetic choice. Perfectly viable even if it is unrealistic.

Making unrealistic choices due to aesthetic values is generally known as "being stupid".

Also I fail to see how BioWare can't be creative enough for make a pretty asari helmet 

No, it has the value of looking nice. Just because those values don't match up with yours doesn't make it stupid. Unless you're just really that arrogant.

[GodWood]

How's that Kool-Aid?

[Blacklash93]

GodWood wrote...

How's that Kool-Aid?

It's nice and it's easy to slip under the facemask.

[Grunt420]

do people really cancel orders for little things like this

[_symphony]

Blacklash93 wrote...
No, it has the value of looking nice. Just because those values don't match up with yours doesn't make it stupid. Unless you're just really that arrogant.

We are exactly arguing about how BioWare is breaking game immersion for some players by going too far for the sake of "looking nice". You don't need to resort to petty insults for make a point. 

[GodWood]

Blacklash93 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
How's that Kool-Aid?

It's nice and it's easy to slip under the facemask.

At least you admit it.

Grunt420 wrote...
do people really cancel orders for little things like this

Nah it's just some silly fanboy meme.

[Iakus]

Grunt420 wrote...

do people really cancel orders for little things like this

DOubtful.  By itself, it's not a game-breaker for me.

But it does make it harder to take the series, and Bioware itself seriously when they slide from "sealed suits and helmets" to, well, that in their own series.  It's like watching The Dark Knight followed by an episode of the old Adam West series.

[Blacklash93]

_symphony wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...
No, it has the value of looking nice. Just because those values don't match up with yours doesn't make it stupid. Unless you're just really that arrogant.

We are exactly arguing about how BioWare is breaking game immersion for some players by going too far for the sake of "looking nice". You don't need to resort to petty insults for make a point. 

It's not breaking my immersion as this game isn't about wearing realistic outfits. And I think it looks nice. Problem?

And insisting that something is stupid because it doesn't match up with your values is pretty arrogant. I could just as easily say you're being too anal about real-world logic in a videogame, but I'm not.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 09 février 2012 - 07:23 .

[Zanallen]

AlanC9 wrote...

I think the one that gets mentioned is disembarking from the Normandy during the SM. It's difficult to see where the atmosphere would be coming from there.

But no one is even wearing breathing masks during that scene. There is obviously some form of atmosphere.

[_symphony]

Blacklash93 wrote...
It's not breaking my immersion as this game isn't about wearing realistic outfits. And I think it looks nice. Problem?

Not a problem at all, it seems you have a problem with this thread though.

[TexasToast712]

Blacklash93 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

How's that Kool-Aid?

It's nice and it's easy to slip under the facemask.

Win

[tonnactus]

It not even looks nice...
Always remind me of dark jedi outfits in kotor.

[Evil_Weasel]

Blacklash93 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
It's a Bioware being stupid thing.

No, it's a conscious aesthetic choice. Perfectly viable even if it is unrealistic.

Making unrealistic choices due to aesthetic values is generally known as "being stupid".

Also I fail to see how BioWare can't be creative enough for make a pretty asari helmet 

No, it has the value of looking nice. Just because those values don't match up with yours doesn't make it stupid. Unless you're just really that arrogant.

I think it looks stupid too.

It ranks with a buch of dudes standing around in full armor sets and a chick in "Bikini mail" and Im led to believe its a valid choice for armor for the purpose of "protection" even though it has a fully exposed mid-rif....

Sooo.... If some one chose to wear that armor into battle and say took an arrow in the gut because they wanted to "look nice" that would be stupid.... and Im not the only one who thinks so.

So unrealistic protective devices chosen because they look nice, as opposed to less attractive but fully functioning, is stupid by pretty much any one with reason.

Of course you could just be argueing to argue, perfectly normal for some people.

Basic fact is wearing a "breath mask" at this technological level of this setting is like skiping wearing steel-toed boots to a construction site because you have some shoes that look cool..... once something heavy falls on you foot, everyone thinks your stupid for trying to look cool.

Modifié par Evil_Weasel, 09 février 2012 - 08:14 .

[Icinix]

Yeah its a shame - but its only one segment on one mission.

BioWare wouldn't be so crazy to do it again after the backlash last time.....








...or would they? ^.-

Edit: Also, aesthetically - I prefer the look of Helmets.

Modifié par Icinix, 09 février 2012 - 08:16 .