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[DayusMakhina]

Evil_Weasel wrote...

Basic fact is wearing a "breath mask" at this technological level of this setting is like skiping wearing steel-toed boots to a construction site because you have some shoes that look cool..... once something heavy falls on you foot, everyone thinks your stupid for trying to look cool.

It's not there to look cool, it's a stylised costume to fit Liara's character. Liara is a doctor afterall, and not a soldier thus she doesn't wear 'proper' armor. In that sense the breather mask she has fits perfectly fine.

[mybudgee]

I love when BSNers get all worked up like this...:0

[Icinix]

DayusMakhina wrote...

Evil_Weasel wrote...

Basic fact is wearing a "breath mask" at this technological level of this setting is like skiping wearing steel-toed boots to a construction site because you have some shoes that look cool..... once something heavy falls on you foot, everyone thinks your stupid for trying to look cool.

It's not there to look cool, it's a stylised costume to fit Liara's character. Liara is a doctor afterall, and not a soldier thus she doesn't wear 'proper' armor. In that sense the breather mask she has fits perfectly fine.

Yes - because hazourdous atmosphere couldn't possibly harm your eyes or skin.

[Raxxman]

DayusMakhina wrote...

Evil_Weasel wrote...

Basic fact is wearing a "breath mask" at this technological level of this setting is like skiping wearing steel-toed boots to a construction site because you have some shoes that look cool..... once something heavy falls on you foot, everyone thinks your stupid for trying to look cool.

It's not there to look cool, it's a stylised costume to fit Liara's character. Liara is a doctor afterall, and not a soldier thus she doesn't wear 'proper' armor. In that sense the breather mask she has fits perfectly fine.

Every single doctor who would be doing something that required a face mask will also wear eyeprotection.

Yours

A Doctor.

[DayusMakhina]

Icinix wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Evil_Weasel wrote...

Basic fact is wearing a "breath mask" at this technological level of this setting is like skiping wearing steel-toed boots to a construction site because you have some shoes that look cool..... once something heavy falls on you foot, everyone thinks your stupid for trying to look cool.

It's not there to look cool, it's a stylised costume to fit Liara's character. Liara is a doctor afterall, and not a soldier thus she doesn't wear 'proper' armor. In that sense the breather mask she has fits perfectly fine.

Yes - because hazourdous atmosphere couldn't possibly harm your eyes or skin.

ME is a game btw, I know there are a lot of very fanatical people here, but it doesn't change the fact it's a game. Also, in the case of Liara, please direct me to how this is relevant to a blue alien.

Raxxman wrote...

Every single doctor who would be doing something that required a face mask will also wear eyeprotection.

Yours

A Doctor.

Yet... that's not how it's shown on TV though is it? An no, i'm not saying that TV is right and you are wrong. I'm aware that in reality a doctor would also wear eyeprotection, but that's often not the case when it comes to entertainment. Exactly the same is applied here.

Modifié par DayusMakhina, 09 février 2012 - 08:34 .

[TCBC_Freak]

DayusMakhina wrote...

Icinix wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Evil_Weasel wrote...

Basic fact is wearing a "breath mask" at this technological level of this setting is like skiping wearing steel-toed boots to a construction site because you have some shoes that look cool..... once something heavy falls on you foot, everyone thinks your stupid for trying to look cool.

It's not there to look cool, it's a stylised costume to fit Liara's character. Liara is a doctor afterall, and not a soldier thus she doesn't wear 'proper' armor. In that sense the breather mask she has fits perfectly fine.

Yes - because hazourdous atmosphere couldn't possibly harm your eyes or skin.

ME is a game btw, I know there are a lot of very fanatical people here, but it doesn't change the fact it's a game. Also, in the case of Liara, please direct me to how this is relevant to a blue alien.

If we are going by that logic than why isn’t she in that stripper get up we see others of her kind in? After all it’s just a game and that might sell better, look cooler, and it doesn’t matter really… and following the logic of most fantasy armor, less is more; a bikini is extra bonus to charisma and wearing almost nothing gives you like +30 immunity to everything doesn’t it after all an enemy cant hit her if he‘s blinded by boobies?

[DayusMakhina]

TCBC_Freak wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Icinix wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Evil_Weasel wrote...

Basic fact is wearing a "breath mask" at this technological level of this setting is like skiping wearing steel-toed boots to a construction site because you have some shoes that look cool..... once something heavy falls on you foot, everyone thinks your stupid for trying to look cool.

It's not there to look cool, it's a stylised costume to fit Liara's character. Liara is a doctor afterall, and not a soldier thus she doesn't wear 'proper' armor. In that sense the breather mask she has fits perfectly fine.

Yes - because hazourdous atmosphere couldn't possibly harm your eyes or skin.

ME is a game btw, I know there are a lot of very fanatical people here, but it doesn't change the fact it's a game. Also, in the case of Liara, please direct me to how this is relevant to a blue alien.

If we are going by that logic than why isn’t she in that stripper get up we see others of her kind in? After all it’s just a game and that might sell better, look cooler, and it doesn’t matter really… and following the logic of most fantasy armor, less is more; a bikini is extra bonus to charisma and wearing almost nothing gives you like +30 immunity to everything doesn’t it after all an enemy cant hit her if he‘s blinded by boobies?

Please don't mention logic when your response is nothing more than hyperbole. 

It is perfectly logical that they would design a doctor to look somewhat like a doctor, that is in keeping with her character. A stripper get up would not be inkeeping with her character because she is not a stripper, she's a doctor. BioWare themselves have even stated that her attire is inspired by that of a doctor's outfit.

Modifié par DayusMakhina, 09 février 2012 - 08:48 .

[Clearly Balkan]

I believe we shall see complete body armor for all team members in ME3. Just my thinking. Imo you never know.

[Someone With Mass]

Can they at least add some cover for the eyes?

I mean, that mask isn't going to do much in the sandstorm, when it's her eyes that are going to be affected the most.

[Icinix]

DayusMakhina wrote...

Icinix wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Evil_Weasel wrote...

Basic fact is wearing a "breath mask" at this technological level of this setting is like skiping wearing steel-toed boots to a construction site because you have some shoes that look cool..... once something heavy falls on you foot, everyone thinks your stupid for trying to look cool.

It's not there to look cool, it's a stylised costume to fit Liara's character. Liara is a doctor afterall, and not a soldier thus she doesn't wear 'proper' armor. In that sense the breather mask she has fits perfectly fine.

Yes - because hazourdous atmosphere couldn't possibly harm your eyes or skin.

ME is a game btw, I know there are a lot of very fanatical people here, but it doesn't change the fact it's a game. Also, in the case of Liara, please direct me to how this is relevant to a blue alien.

Its a game? My GOD! You don't say?
Look, there are people who are fanatical about the fact they like their game to tread the waters of believable more often - and there are people who are fanatical about keeping visual interest.

Thats great - really, but keep the 'Its a game' argument out of it - because it doesn't offer anything. The argument is about visual distinction in keeping the faces visible versus a level of believability.

As for if its relevant for a blue alien, well they do need similar atmosphere and conditions to humans, so I think it would be a fair call that if a human needs to be covered, a blue alien does too.

[TCBC_Freak]

DayusMakhina wrote...

TCBC_Freak wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Icinix wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Evil_Weasel wrote...

Basic fact is wearing a "breath mask" at this technological level of this setting is like skiping wearing steel-toed boots to a construction site because you have some shoes that look cool..... once something heavy falls on you foot, everyone thinks your stupid for trying to look cool.

It's not there to look cool, it's a stylised costume to fit Liara's character. Liara is a doctor afterall, and not a soldier thus she doesn't wear 'proper' armor. In that sense the breather mask she has fits perfectly fine.

Yes - because hazourdous atmosphere couldn't possibly harm your eyes or skin.

ME is a game btw, I know there are a lot of very fanatical people here, but it doesn't change the fact it's a game. Also, in the case of Liara, please direct me to how this is relevant to a blue alien.

If we are going by that logic than why isn’t she in that stripper get up we see others of her kind in? After all it’s just a game and that might sell better, look cooler, and it doesn’t matter really… and following the logic of most fantasy armor, less is more; a bikini is extra bonus to charisma and wearing almost nothing gives you like +30 immunity to everything doesn’t it after all an enemy cant hit her if he‘s blinded by boobies?

Please don't mention logic when your response is nothing more than hyperbole. 

It is perfectly logical that they would design a doctor to look somewhat like a doctor, that is in keeping with her character. A stripper get up would not be inkeeping with her character because she is not a stripper, she's a doctor. BioWare themselves have even stated that her attire is inspired by that of a doctor's outfit.

I wasn’t referring to the her being a doctor part of the post. She is free to not wear armor if she wants. I was talking about your, “It’s only a game,” argument and that that is a slippery hill that leads to fiascos like Duke Nukem. And my comment also related about the topic of the tread that she should wear a helmet just like any person who wants to live in a dangerous environment and vacuum.

[1Nosphorus1]

Wish my doctor wore outfits like those

Modifié par 1Nosphorus1, 09 février 2012 - 09:04 .

[WaffleCrab]

considering it is a third game in the series and you till cant customize armor for party members, its either lack of oversight or lack of interest on developers part... sad to see everything else can be customized except the things your gonna be staring at a third of the game.

[muse108]

the face bubble makes 0 sense, eyes and ears are also rather vital. I do hope its changed but I doubt it.

At least the humans sound like they will have helmets though, which is something

[nightcobra]

all the squadmates that use breathing masks have biotics powers so maybe biotics have a hand in protecting someone from vaccum by altering the barriers into an artificial pressurizer by applying force and increasing/decreasing/equalizing the mass of inside and outside of their barriers to nullify the vaccum.

i don't know but it could be a possibility.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 09 février 2012 - 09:11 .

[Someone With Mass]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

all the squadmates that use breathing masks have biotics powers so maybe biotics have a hand in protecting someone from vaccum by altering the barriers into an artificial pressurizer by increasing/decreasing/equalizing the mass of inside and outside of their barriers to nullify the vaccum.

i don't know but it could be a possibility.

Kind of a ballsy move, considering if that barrier fails because of fatigue, they're as good as dead.

No, I think I'd rather have a pressurized suit.

[DayusMakhina]

TCBC_Freak wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

TCBC_Freak wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Icinix wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Evil_Weasel wrote...

Basic fact is wearing a "breath mask" at this technological level of this setting is like skiping wearing steel-toed boots to a construction site because you have some shoes that look cool..... once something heavy falls on you foot, everyone thinks your stupid for trying to look cool.

It's not there to look cool, it's a stylised costume to fit Liara's character. Liara is a doctor afterall, and not a soldier thus she doesn't wear 'proper' armor. In that sense the breather mask she has fits perfectly fine.

Yes - because hazourdous atmosphere couldn't possibly harm your eyes or skin.

ME is a game btw, I know there are a lot of very fanatical people here, but it doesn't change the fact it's a game. Also, in the case of Liara, please direct me to how this is relevant to a blue alien.

If we are going by that logic than why isn’t she in that stripper get up we see others of her kind in? After all it’s just a game and that might sell better, look cooler, and it doesn’t matter really… and following the logic of most fantasy armor, less is more; a bikini is extra bonus to charisma and wearing almost nothing gives you like +30 immunity to everything doesn’t it after all an enemy cant hit her if he‘s blinded by boobies?

Please don't mention logic when your response is nothing more than hyperbole. 

It is perfectly logical that they would design a doctor to look somewhat like a doctor, that is in keeping with her character. A stripper get up would not be inkeeping with her character because she is not a stripper, she's a doctor. BioWare themselves have even stated that her attire is inspired by that of a doctor's outfit.

I wasn’t referring to the her being a doctor part of the post. She is free to not wear armor if she wants. I was talking about your, “It’s only a game,” argument and that that is a slippery hill that leads to fiascos like Duke Nukem. And my comment also related about the topic of the tread that she should wear a helmet just like any person who wants to live in a dangerous environment and vacuum.

No you weren't, but my "it's only a game" comment was in relation to that as it was part of the ongoing dialogue, saying 'it's only a game" in relation to a character wearing attire that isn't entirely realistic but is in keeping with her character is entirely different to saying "it's only a game" so anyone should wear anything as long as it looks cool. Your post was taking my comment out of context and implying that I was using the later argument, which is not what I meant with the comment at all.

I am very much against characters wearing minimal armor "because it looks cool".

Modifié par DayusMakhina, 09 février 2012 - 09:14 .

[_symphony]

DayusMakhina wrote...
It is perfectly logical that they would design a doctor to look somewhat like a doctor, that is in keeping with her character.

So steping into vacuum with her face exposed is in character? I fail to see that.

I can buy it if she isn't using combat armor because she's not a soldier, what I don't buy is that she wouldn't use something that would cover her whole head.

[DJBare]

I remember the first time my Shepard took Kasumi on the mission to retrieve the hammerhead, Garrus was in full armor and well, ye all know how Kasumi was kitted, this was a planet spewing volcanic lava and we were standing right above one flow on landing, the heat rising from that would have roasted Kasumi, though being a scifi they could have gotten around the armor thing with a temporary shield, this would have made things a little more interesting in that you would have to complete your mission and get in a vehicle or leave the planet before the shield failed, I enjoyed the hazard thing in ME1, it added a sense of urgency when exploring on foot.

[Crevasse]

The way i get over the whole mask thing is that i see like 'Invader Zim-esque'. A translucent bubble covers his whole head then fades rapidly when he leaves a friendly atmosphere. Kept my sanity intact.

[andy6915]

Baranus33 wrote...

edit: agree with above post!


At no point do I remember any missions in ME2 having an actual spacewalk happen for the squadmates meaning no situations in an absolute vacuum (legion and the heretic station maybe but no air doesnt mean no atmosphere). Yes, some missions could be theorized as having "unbreathable atmosphere" but not "no atmosphere". Those masks that a few folks on the team have provide oxygen which is really all you need.

In space your blood WILL NOT BOIL because the elastic pressure of the blood vessels
keeps it at a pressure high enough that the body temperature is below
the boiling point of blood (same as water) which is like 212 F. Skin is meant to be a badass and deal with hazardous condtions otherwise we would have all died a long time ago.

In space you WILL NOT FREEZE because a vacuum is nothing and you can't take the temperature of nothing. Heat transfer from the human body to space would take a long time because there is no matter in space to transfer that energy (heat) too. A vacumm is actually a really good insulator and your body temp would actually rise slightly and staying cool would be your problem but this why the body sweats to regulate heat.

Decompression would be the only issue and thats if you hold your breath and get "the bends", something some divers get.

Again because none of the missions are confirmed in an actual vacuum some of this science I used can disprove the whineing I see. If it bothers you too much then DON'T PICK THEM FOR THAT MISSION.

This guy is right. Seriously people, Total Recall wasn't a documentary. As long as you have a breather and aren't exposed directly to solar radiation while in actual space, you'll be fine. ME2 is more correct about this then most of you all are, it seems.

Read more if you want.

Modifié par andy69156915, 09 février 2012 - 09:35 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

Bioware just really really likes breather masks. Nobody knows why.

[Someone With Mass]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Bioware just really really likes breather masks. Nobody knows why.

I think one of them said that it's because they want to show off the facial animations or something like that.

[CerberusSoldier]

maybe it is because this is a sci fi game oh but thats right half of you cry babies do not understand that . it better be a dam option in the menu

[Homey C-Dawg]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Bioware just really really likes breather masks. Nobody knows why.

I think one of them said that it's because they want to show off the facial animations or something like that.

Hopefully they'll lay off the sunglasses this time then.