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[roflchoppaz]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Bioware just really really likes breather masks. Nobody knows why.

Also visors.

[Jorec]

Is it possible that alien physiology allows them to survive exposure to hazardous environments or the vacuum of space for a period of time with out the need of fully pressurized suits?

[LexXxich]

Hazardous atmosphere or lack of any atmosphere might not kill you outright. But add that Shepard&Co usually fight in these conditions, and that biotic fields can not be sustained that long by any individual, and you'll see that wearing something protecting vital parts with armour is a no-brainer.
In ME2 there were a lot of places with poisonous, acidic atmosphere. No breather mask would be sufficient there.

[DJBare]

andy69156915 wrote...

This guy is right. Seriously people, Total Recall wasn't a documentary. As long as you have a breather and aren't exposed directly to solar radiation while in actual space, you'll be fine. ME2 is more correct about this then most of you all are, it seems.

Read more if you want.

And more information here

Modifié par DJBare, 09 février 2012 - 09:53 .

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

Why dont astronoughts go out of the ship with just a scuba tank? Because youl die, your body would freeze within seconds.

[bazzybond]

I liked the breathers. You got to see facial animations better. I hated when Shepard had his/her/shler badly scratched helmet on and all you could see was him/her/shlim blinking.

[Icinix]

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

Why dont astronoughts go out of the ship with just a scuba tank? Because youl die, your body would freeze within seconds.

I believe hypoxia in a vacum is the first major problem.

Regardless of if you have a breather or not - the vacum literally turns oxygen against you..or more correcly, away from you.

Could be wrong, but thats what I recall being the big problem.

[G3rman]

When did they ever do a spacewalk in the void? I don't remember them ever wearing the rebreathers outside of a ship or sustained environment (Collector ship, Reaper).

Also you should read up on how being unprotected in space actually kills you, its not as simple as freezing to death.

[Unpleasant Implications]

The threads about this are just getting depressing now.

[andy6915]

DJBare wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

This guy is right. Seriously people, Total Recall wasn't a documentary. As long as you have a breather and aren't exposed directly to solar radiation while in actual space, you'll be fine. ME2 is more correct about this then most of you all are, it seems.

Read more if you want.

And more information here

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

Why dont astronoughts go out of the ship with just a scuba tank? Because youl die, your body would freeze within seconds.

And people continue to spout misinformation literally just after links proving them to be wrong.

Modifié par andy69156915, 09 février 2012 - 10:23 .

[Prom001]

man I miss the armor of ME1.
If they want to show off the face i would like a helmet that shows more of said face.

[_symphony]

andy69156915 wrote...
continue to spout misinformation literally just after links proving them to be wrong.

The links proves that you can't live exposed to vacuum, what are you talking about?

[Icinix]

_symphony wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...
continue to spout misinformation literally just after links proving them to be wrong.

The links proves that you can't live exposed to vacuum, what are you talking about?

Yeah - I just read the link - its basiclaly saying anything more than a minute and a half without a space suit is fatal.

You just won't die of freezing to death first! YAY!

[Someone With Mass]

roflchoppaz wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Bioware just really really likes breather masks. Nobody knows why.

Also visors.

Some of which begged to have breather attachments.

[andy6915]

Icinix wrote...

_symphony wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...
continue to spout misinformation literally just after links proving them to be wrong.

The links proves that you can't live exposed to vacuum, what are you talking about?

Yeah - I just read the link - its basiclaly saying anything more than a minute and a half without a space suit is fatal.

You just won't die of freezing to death first! YAY!

No, it said that oxygen, or lack of it, is the end-all be-all that you'll die. Being out in space without a breather is what causes death, because without oxygen you die, and with any air in your lungs, the pressure difference will replicate the "bends" that divers get. If you have a breather, none of that will happen, your lungs won't mess up from badly pressured oxygen going in, and you won't die from lack of oxygen. On top of that, the breathers people in Mass Effect use look like they're sealed completely tight, making it even safer then just a normal breather would.

Actually use reading comprehension when you read it again.

[Icinix]

andy69156915 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

_symphony wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...
continue to spout misinformation literally just after links proving them to be wrong.

The links proves that you can't live exposed to vacuum, what are you talking about?

Yeah - I just read the link - its basiclaly saying anything more than a minute and a half without a space suit is fatal.

You just won't die of freezing to death first! YAY!

No, it said that oxygen, or lack of it, is the end-all be-all that you'll die. Being out in space without a breather is what causes death, because without oxygen you die, and with any air in your lungs, the pressure difference will replicate the "bends" that divers get. If you have a breather, none of that will happen, your lungs won't mess up from badly pressured oxygen going in, and you won't die from lack of oxygen. On top of that, the breathers people in Mass Effect use look like they're sealed completely tight, making it even safer then just a normal breather would.

Actually use reading comprehension when you read it again.

Really? Use reading comprehension? I love how happy and peaceful everyone on the internet is.

A breather won't change the fact your body is in the vacum.

"
Though an unprotected human would not long survive in the clutches of outer space "

That doesn't say "A human without an oxygen supply" - it says "An uprotected human."

So I guess it begs the question, why are we sending Astronauts into space in expensive specially sealed spacesuits when we could be just sending them up with a sealed breath mask? (Yes I am aware of the other dangers) So Why do they go through the effort of cycling in and out of the suits for short walks when they could do them without it? Why are tiny ruptures so dangerous after such a short time when the suit is still pumping oxygen into the head piece?

Edit: Imagine your whole body going through this - sure might partially recover and you might live - but AT BEST - your whole body would be in pain, useless, no circulation and I hate to think of what would happen to your eyes.


"On the subject of partial-body vacuum exposure, the results are not quite as serious. In 1960, during a high-altitude balloon parachute-jump, a partial-body vacuum exposure incident occurred when Joe Kittinger, Jr. lost pressurization in his right glove during an ascent to 103,000 ft (19.5 miles) in an unpressurized balloon gondola, Despite the depressurization, he continued the mission, and although the hand became painful and useless, after he returned to the ground, his hand returned to normal. Kittinger wrote in National Geographic (November 1960): "At 43,000 feet I find out [what can go wrong]. My right hand does not feel normal. I examine the pressure glove; its air bladder is not inflating. The prospect of exposing the hand to the near-vacuum of peak altitude causes me some concern. From my previous experiences, I know that the hand will swell, lose most of its circulation, and cause extreme pain.... I decide to continue the ascent, without notifying ground control of my difficulty." at 103,000 feet, he writes: "Circulation has almost stopped in my unpressurized right hand, which feels stiff and painful." But at the landing:"Dick looks at the swollen hand with concern. Three hours later the swelling will have disappeared with no ill effect." The decompression incident on Kittinger's balloon jump is discussed further in Shayler's Disasters and Accidents in Manned Spaceflight: [When Kittinger reached his peak altitude] "his right hand was twice the normal size... He tried to release some of his equipment prior to landing, but was not able to as his right hand was still in great pain. He hit the ground 13 min. 45 sec. after leaving Excelsior. Three hours after landing his swollen hand and his circulation were back to normal." See also from Leonard Gordon, Aviation Week, February 13th 1996."

http://www.geoffreyl...com/vacuum.html 

Modifié par Icinix, 09 février 2012 - 12:09 .

[exskeeny]

Raxxman wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Evil_Weasel wrote...

Basic fact is wearing a "breath mask" at this technological level of this setting is like skiping wearing steel-toed boots to a construction site because you have some shoes that look cool..... once something heavy falls on you foot, everyone thinks your stupid for trying to look cool.

It's not there to look cool, it's a stylised costume to fit Liara's character. Liara is a doctor afterall, and not a soldier thus she doesn't wear 'proper' armor. In that sense the breather mask she has fits perfectly fine.

Every single doctor who would be doing something that required a face mask will also wear eyeprotection.

Yours

A Doctor.

I'll just leave this here....
www.bmj.com/highwire/filestream/431134/field_highwire_fragment_image_l/0.jpg

[_symphony]

andy69156915 wrote...
No, it said that oxygen, or lack of it, is the end-all be-all that you'll die. Being out in space without a breather is what causes death, because without oxygen you die, and with any air in your lungs, the pressure difference will replicate the "bends" that divers get. If you have a breather, none of that will happen, your lungs won't mess up from badly pressured oxygen going in, and you won't die from lack of oxygen. On top of that, the breathers people in Mass Effect use look like they're sealed completely tight, making it even safer then just a normal breather would.

Sorry, but that's wrong, the links specifically point that you can't keep air in your lungs. A sealed breather doesn't make the pressure difference go away, if your body isn't pressurised then the air will find a way out: you lungs will burst, your intestines will burst,  your ears will burst and... you get the picture.

Also any skin exposed to vacuum will evaporate water, swell a lot and feel painful.

Actually use reading comprehension when you read it again.

No need of petty insults here.

Modifié par _symphony, 09 février 2012 - 11:57 .

[Prom001]

guys? can we go back to the helmet/armor thing again?

[XyleJKH]

I remember Chris saying something about this before. Can't say I like what he said. But done breathing masks where kept for cinematic reasons or something... Still takes away A Bit of the immersion for me. No matter.
What really will bother me is if she wears it on mars. The martian sand and dust is caustic when touching water based things... Would really bother her eyes... Not to mention the cold

[CerberusSoldier]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Bioware just really really likes breather masks. Nobody knows why.

   


because its their dam game if you don't like it don't play it . but I will not stand for some forced sh*t because some have a issue with the stupid mask crap

[andy6915]

_symphony wrote...
Sorry, but that's wrong, the links specifically point that you can't keep air in your lungs. A sealed breather doesn't make the pressure difference go away, if your body isn't pressurised then the air will find a way out: you lungs will burst, your intestines will burst,  your ears will burst and... you get the picture.

Also any skin exposed to vacuum will evaporate water, swell a lot and feel painful.

You know what, fine, breathers don't make sense; A mass effect field did it.

Happy?

[DJBare]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Bioware just really really likes breather masks. Nobody knows why.

   


because its their dam game if you don't like it don't play it . but I will not stand for some forced sh*t because some have a issue with the stupid mask crap

There is irony in your post.

[nightcobra]

a mass effect field could indeed counter the vaccum by adding/reducing mass between the outside and inside the barrier simulating a pressurized suit. Who knows, maybe the masks have parts of wetware built into it so as to emit a weak mass effect field around the user...how's that for speculation?

[andy6915]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

a mass effect field could indeed counter the vaccum by adding/reducing mass between the outside and inside the barrier simulating a pressurized suit. Who knows, maybe the masks have parts of wetware built into it so as to emit a weak mass effect field around the user...how's that for speculation?

Well, I meant that part as a joke, but... That actually could explain it. The joke became real.

It would be funny if you get a codex explaining the breathers and how they protect against vaccums with mass effect fields upon a party member wearing one.