See, that was easy enough. And you also have to realise that even then people will not agree completely with you. Most people have different version of what murderer is and for most of us shepard is not a murderer. he has killed people, but he is a soldier and soldier kill people yet we do not see them as murderers.Good luck with your theory.
Better Reapers, than Shepard \\ Shepard the greatest... murderer.
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#152
Posté 14 février 2012 - 12:09
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Gaidukk wrote...
5. To ediskrad327 - Imagine if Reapers will be defeaded - If organic life in Galaxy not be destroyed, for several thousand years we filled the Milky Way (This is our Galaxy), through the 500 thousand years from the planets, which colonized people remain lifeless stones like the Earth in 2183. We use all the resources of the galaxy and begin the war, then we will destroy ourselves. Only here on the planets and the systems will not be any-thing. Planets and systems sufferirreparable damage. And Reaper slowing the our destruction development. Not for nothing do they say - "We will bring you to salvation through destruction." They have seen thousands of times, the consequences of uncontrolled development of organic life.
This guy is a real genius, isn't he?? he is calculating probablilities of what will happen after 500 thousand years. Right, so according to him...since Earth is steadily getting populated (in reality)...we should find some way to annihiate ourselves for the sake of the future. That would be salvation for mankind!!! Great...someone give him a Nobel.
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#153
Posté 14 février 2012 - 08:22
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True, but you are definitely setting them up as a special case in that sentence, and I was curious as to what that meant. But no matter, probably muddies already unusual waters.Python199 wrote...
Did I say destorying that race was evil?No,I said Reapers as a whole are evil.There's no proof that the reapers do it for a good cause,but just for s**** and giggles.Ziggeh wrote...
Why would destroying such a race be especially evil? Would it make them inherently good?Python199 wrote...
what will happen if there comes a race that lives with nature in symbiotic way?The Reapers will wipe 'em too.The Reapers are just evil
#154
Posté 14 février 2012 - 09:12
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Actually, reading the rest of Gaidukk's comments I think he sounds very western. Entire subsets of nearly all western populations believe in radical pacifism (ie dying rather than defending oneself).
He ascribes to the same philosophy as Thane (in Thane's description of what happened to Rakhana) which I earlier pointed out is actually inaccurate to a degree. While it is entirely possible for an arid, desert like world to lose all viability, it highly unlikely a developed race like all those present in galactic society would make that mistake (plus even if the drell removed all nutrients from the planet's soil due to over farming, their corpses would reinvigorate it eventually so it isn't entirely permanent).
If you look at farming techniques of the present day in the real world, corporations go to great lengths to maintain the viability of the soil after the Great Dustbowl of the 1930's shattered out perception of sustainability.
Between these pieces of scientific evidence and the fact that even consumed resources can be recycled the idea that the galactic community would completely bleed dry the entire galaxy's store of resources is really pretty ridiculous. They aren't splitting the atoms of every element repeatedly until there is nothing but Hydrogen left here, space ships and desk chairs can be recycled.
As to Gaidukk's concept of pacifism that I mentioned earlier, I'd like to point out a few problems. While your desire to kill no one is laudible, it isn't particularly viable. I'll give you a popular scenario in both philosophy and psychology to illustrate my point.
Let's say there is a passenger train full of people barrelling down a track. As it comes to a fork in the track, you notice that along one path lie 5 people tied up in the way of the train. Along the other path you have 1 person tied up on the track. You control the lever that will direct the train. It is currently directing it toward the 5 people.
What do you do?
That situation, long ago thought up by philosophers in one form or another, is directly analogous to the one presented to the player in the Mass Effect series. I personally don't agree with killing people willy nilly. I prefer to find another solution. But when it comes to 300,000 batarians or trillions of others, I choose to sacrifice as few lives as possible.
Now as to whether joining the Reapers is really such a bad thing, I've already pointed out why your "devastation of the galaxy inevitability" isn't that inevitable but I also wanted to say something else. I'm not sure whether you are also a vegatarian, but I look at the Reapers' harvesting of the galaxy as similar to me eating a piece of cow every day. Many many cows died to provide me with a healthy meal to eat and no one can really say what happened to those pieces of cow in any way maintained their independence.
That meat was broken down, changed, and recycled. Part of its genetics lived on in the proteins that bonded with my muscles, but that meat is completely and irrevocably gone. You can say it went toward sustaining me and describe that as a good thing, but I highly doubt any cow ever would agree with that.
What the Reapers do is not salvation. Humanity, near as any of us can really tell, will cease to exist when it is assimillated. It will simply be broken down, changed, and recycled into a Reaper.
The process of harvesting will in turn kill billions as many fight to survive what they can only describe as a monster onslaught.
Shepard saw 6 lives on the line, 5 of which could be spared at the expense of the last. He made the rational choice.
He ascribes to the same philosophy as Thane (in Thane's description of what happened to Rakhana) which I earlier pointed out is actually inaccurate to a degree. While it is entirely possible for an arid, desert like world to lose all viability, it highly unlikely a developed race like all those present in galactic society would make that mistake (plus even if the drell removed all nutrients from the planet's soil due to over farming, their corpses would reinvigorate it eventually so it isn't entirely permanent).
If you look at farming techniques of the present day in the real world, corporations go to great lengths to maintain the viability of the soil after the Great Dustbowl of the 1930's shattered out perception of sustainability.
Between these pieces of scientific evidence and the fact that even consumed resources can be recycled the idea that the galactic community would completely bleed dry the entire galaxy's store of resources is really pretty ridiculous. They aren't splitting the atoms of every element repeatedly until there is nothing but Hydrogen left here, space ships and desk chairs can be recycled.
As to Gaidukk's concept of pacifism that I mentioned earlier, I'd like to point out a few problems. While your desire to kill no one is laudible, it isn't particularly viable. I'll give you a popular scenario in both philosophy and psychology to illustrate my point.
Let's say there is a passenger train full of people barrelling down a track. As it comes to a fork in the track, you notice that along one path lie 5 people tied up in the way of the train. Along the other path you have 1 person tied up on the track. You control the lever that will direct the train. It is currently directing it toward the 5 people.
What do you do?
That situation, long ago thought up by philosophers in one form or another, is directly analogous to the one presented to the player in the Mass Effect series. I personally don't agree with killing people willy nilly. I prefer to find another solution. But when it comes to 300,000 batarians or trillions of others, I choose to sacrifice as few lives as possible.
Now as to whether joining the Reapers is really such a bad thing, I've already pointed out why your "devastation of the galaxy inevitability" isn't that inevitable but I also wanted to say something else. I'm not sure whether you are also a vegatarian, but I look at the Reapers' harvesting of the galaxy as similar to me eating a piece of cow every day. Many many cows died to provide me with a healthy meal to eat and no one can really say what happened to those pieces of cow in any way maintained their independence.
That meat was broken down, changed, and recycled. Part of its genetics lived on in the proteins that bonded with my muscles, but that meat is completely and irrevocably gone. You can say it went toward sustaining me and describe that as a good thing, but I highly doubt any cow ever would agree with that.
What the Reapers do is not salvation. Humanity, near as any of us can really tell, will cease to exist when it is assimillated. It will simply be broken down, changed, and recycled into a Reaper.
The process of harvesting will in turn kill billions as many fight to survive what they can only describe as a monster onslaught.
Shepard saw 6 lives on the line, 5 of which could be spared at the expense of the last. He made the rational choice.
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#155
Posté 14 février 2012 - 09:40
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Majestic Hedge wrote...
Thrillions is not a number...Gaidukk wrote...
Why Shepard considered as hero? He kill almost 2,000 peoples (my calculation for 2 games). And don't tell me what they be a bad people - who the hell Shepard to say, what person is good what is bad.
And then he kill 300,000 colonist, I thought - Shepard kills thousand of people - maybe Reapers not so bad? Yes, I know, what they killing thrillions, but, a number of Reapers is very big, so number of killed peoples per 1 Reaper less than kill Shepard.
This is modern twice standards or Western world's mentality count man, who accept the genocide as greatest hero in the Galaxy?
it should be
#156
Posté 14 février 2012 - 06:56
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My theory not ready yet, but I remember an interesting question. Shepard killing criminals, this make him a hero, or not a murderer. But why when Nico Bellic or CJ (protagonists of GTA SA and GTA IV) killing criminals (not cops, criminals), they counting as criminals and murderers? Can someone answer me?
PS about self - defence - Niko and CJ starting shoot (well when I playing GTA) only after they been attacked.
PS about self - defence - Niko and CJ starting shoot (well when I playing GTA) only after they been attacked.
#157
Posté 14 février 2012 - 07:05
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One is in it for personal gain, the other is attempting to save all sentient life in the galaxy.Gaidukk wrote...
My theory not ready yet, but I remember an interesting question. Shepard killing criminals, this make him a hero, or not a murderer. But why when Nico Bellic or CJ (protagonists of GTA SA and GTA IV) killing criminals (not cops, criminals), they counting as criminals and murderers? Can someone answer me?
PS about self - defence - Niko and CJ starting shoot (well when I playing GTA) only after they been attacked.
One is attempting to stop an atrocity, the other is after an increased number of readies in his pocket.
#158
Posté 14 février 2012 - 07:36
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Nio and CJ are thiefs in the first place. Shepard is an Alliance soldier. That is the difference. Protagonists of GTA universe are all criminal element, while Shepard of ME Universe is alegal soldier.
#159
Posté 14 février 2012 - 08:48
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I present to you, the master of all trolls
#160
Posté 14 février 2012 - 08:50
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You wouldn't be able to point out if he were the master of all trolls, because he would be the master of all trolls.
#161
Posté 14 février 2012 - 08:51
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For sake of protection of the galaxy he had to sacriface those 300.000 colonists. He was not happy about the casualties. In other case the Paragon Shepard nearly only kills bad/evil people. Renegade Shepard kills more non evil people that Paragon Shepard ( Not so sure ). But he did the right thing.
He is a damn hero in my books...
He is a damn hero in my books...
#162
Posté 14 février 2012 - 09:16
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Ziggeh wrote...
You wouldn't be able to point out if he were the master of all trolls, because he would be the master of all trolls.
my God... my brain
