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[Stanley Woo]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

And I find it somewhat odd that you didn't respond to my earlier post. Still awaiting an answer on that if you can. 

You didn't ask a question and you seemed to have everything figured out on your own, being a developer and all. If you disagree with me, that's fine, we disagree. I disagree with your accusatory tone, though.

[Yuoaman]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Abispa wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Would you even admit it if it were true? What else would you say? And I find it somewhat odd that you didn't respond to my earlier post. Still awaiting an answer on that if you can. 

-Polite

Well, gee, buddy, since you've basically admitted that you refuse to believe anything Woo says that you disagree with, what would be the point of responding to anything you say?

I refuse to believe it because I know it is false. Id still like to see him defend his position though.


-Polite

Why ask if you made up your mind already?

That's just insane troll logic.

[FFinfinity1]

Almostfaceman wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Advertising is all about making something look or feel more desirable to the casual and average viewer. Fans of Mass Effect can only get more excited about the game, and those who don't know about it will see all these reminders about the game and may become as big a fan as you and your friends

And this is where you are wrong, at least as far as my personal experience goes. I'm noticeably less excited about ME3 than let's say half a year ago, and your marketing and advertising focused more or less completely on the potential new players isn't helping at all.

Well as the old saying goes, you can't please everyone. 

The only reason i'm less excited is because of the spoilers, which i've encounter one or two. Not because i think the game is bad because of them but because the game was...spoiled for me in some way, shape, or form and I've been looking forward ot this game for over a year now...still peeved that virtually the entire game got leaked out, normally i media blackout myself after the game is released not months BEFORE -,-

[Icinix]

My issue with DLC is as follows;

Woo - if you're reading, please shed some light

the N7 warfare (armour and gun) are Gamestop / EB games exclusive.

Here in Australia EB doesn't have them (I was just advised I was previously told incorrectly they were to have them) but competitor GAME has them exclusively.

....the Barnes and Noble Art Book DLC has hinted at being US exclusive, but I just received an email from B&N that its for anyone who ordered the book...

Anyway - point is - the DLC is now so bloated and confusing that no-one really has any straight up answers or knows what the hell is going on - maybe the implentation of DLC prior to the game could be done better - especially now CE editions (editions maybe a little redundant) are sold / selling out fast. Making it harder to pick and choose which DLC they want.

[AngryFrozenWater]

aLucidMind wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

You pay for everything. Even for Zaeed. Nobody at BW works for free. It is part of the business plan, so in the end you pay for it.

Technically, no. If you bought ME2 new, you got Zaeed and several other DLC free via Cerberus Network.

Which was created by people on the company's payroll. And these don't work for free. That was planned. It made you feel you got something for free and you fell for it.

Hardly; I was buying ME2 because of ME2. I didn't care about the DLC and, thus, saw it for what it was: bonus content. All games cost $60, the DLC cost me nothing and  the price stayed at $60; kind of hard to say that isn't free. The only people who had to pay for it were those who bought the game used.

Yeah. A strategy known as "Project 10 dollar". Ghehe.

[ArkkAngel007]

The bottomline is, ignorant assumptions on how DLC is produced and developed aside, it's ridiculous with the amount of DLC being released before/at the game's launch, tied to products that the majority of fans, and definitely potential consumers, have little to no interest in. Pre-order DLC and day one DLC? I get that. But limited, obscure art books? Random shell casings for consoles that from what I know do not bring in that much revenue? Barely advertised toys that have no purpose than to sit on a shelf? That there is where the problem lies.

Plain and simple, those were bad marketing decisions that were not to generate sales for the game and for the fans, but to generate sales for the products they are attached to.

Anyways, to Stanley, thanks for coming in here and trying to explain what's going on company-side and clearing up information. But I hope you can pass this along to your marketing coworkers, so that in the future this doesn't all repeat or escalate itself.

Edit: Pass along that it's a good idea that maybe 9 months to a year down the line, all the exclusive product dlc should be made available to everyone.  If BioWare/EA wishes to bundle them together and put a low price on it, fine, though if it was from pre-order marketing, it should probably be free.  Obviously don't announce it or those deals made with businesses will be rather negligible, but it should still take place somewhere down the line.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 09 février 2012 - 03:40 .

[Abispa]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

What was negative about my response? Please point it out if you can. Do contrasting views equate to negativity these days?

-Polite

Oh, the hypocricy of that last line! Especially since you accuse people who presents contrasting views as liars.

<_<

[Stanley Woo]

PDesign wrote...

Collectors Edition from Gamestop - 80$
Standard Edition from Origin - 60$
ME Action Figures Series 1 (4-Pack) - 75$
ME Action Figures Series 2 (4-Pack) - 75$
The Art of the Mass Effect Universe - 40$
PlayStation 3 Slim Limited Mass Effect 3 Vault - 90$
Xbox 360 Slim Limited Mass Effect 3 Vault - 90$
iOS Game - 8$

Total = 518$

I don't understand why people complain.

Because they want content that costs $518 to get and only want to pay the $60 that is absolutely necessary to play ane enjoy the game. That's some people's reason, anyway, but those folks generally don't want to accept having only the bare minimum required. They want everything, which is fair, but either don't want to pay for it or want to dictate their own terms, which is, well, less fair.

[Darth_Trethon]

I don't mind DLC released to everyone....if BioWare puts it on XBL for sale I buy it. BUT all the nonsense exclussives are bad. Multiplayer is garbage so even if the toys get MP DLC that is fine. A preorder bonus or two are fine and ME3 is ok in this area. iPhone games are cool as long as they are single player and a one time purchase without nonsense in-app transactions so ME3 appears to be all good in this area. Facebook games are cool as long as they are absolutely 100000000% free...again no in-app transactions asking for money to reduce grinding. Free DLC for playing demos available on XBL also all good.

So far ME3 is in the clear...so far so good, XBL players are mostly covered and can have all DLC for the single player campaign, some may have to borrow a friend's iPhone but otherwise it's all good.

[Maria Caliban]

Yuoaman wrote...

Why ask if you made up your mind already?

That's just insane troll logic.

He was giving Woo a chance to get on his knees and beg forgiveness. Sort of like when a mother asks her five-year-old if they know where the cookie she said wasn't to be eaten has disappeared to.

[Pedro Costa]

Bendok wrote...

I have no problem with DLCs, what I have a problem with is all this exclusive crap. Order this book from this specific store to get this gun, cause its the only way!

Spend 50 bucks on these action figures so you can get this in-game content!

Pre-order at this one specific retailers so you can get this content!

Buy a case of pop from this retailer and get a in-game helmet!

I think all the content should be available to everyone without having to buy a product that is not the game itself. Sure, make it a freebie if they buy the product but still make it available otherwise. Some people want all the DLC and hate it when they are denied it simply because of where they live or where they shop, or the interest in action figures or apple products.

I don't want to buy this book, or these action figures, so let me spend a dollar and get it instead? Why not? Retailers don't need incentive to carry your product. It's not like they are going to say "Hmm, nope.. unless you give us an exclusive we will NOT be stocking Bioware products because we simply ENJOY losing money to our competitors!!"

^This

[Stanley Woo]

Icinix wrote...

Anyway - point is - the DLC is now so bloated and confusing that no-one really has any straight up answers or knows what the hell is going on - maybe the implentation of DLC prior to the game could be done better - especially now CE editions (editions maybe a little redundant) are sold / selling out fast. Making it harder to pick and choose which DLC they want.

Doesn't sound like you needed any light shed, but your point about confusion (which echoes some of the other posts in this thread) and maybe making the whole process simpler or better is totally fair.

[HolyAvenger]

I don't understand why people care so much about getting every single piece of armour or weapon or outfit or what have you. Who cares? I'll pay for story/character DLC, but never for weapons or armour. So if BW want to give out free armour or weapons for certain outlets or whatever let them- as long as I don't get shafted on the important stuff.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Yuoaman wrote...

Why ask if you made up your mind already?

That's just insane troll logic.

So its trolling now to ask someone to defend their position after being presented with new evidence? Shocking. 

Stanley Woo wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

And I find it somewhat odd that you didn't respond to my earlier post. Still awaiting an answer on that if you can. 

You didn't ask a question and you seemed to have everything figured out on your own, being a developer and all. If you disagree with me, that's fine, we disagree. I disagree with your accusatory tone, though.

Sarcasm?  Very professional. You are correct in that I did not explicitly ask you a question, but I'd still like to see you address the contents of my post. Now you did so partially in answering someone else in reference to the time constraints. I didn't consider that since I dont have to deal with those so I'll give you that one. But in light of that, why charge for it still? If the only reason you're doing day one dlc is because of the constraints, why not have it for free?

-Polite

[Yuoaman]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Why ask if you made up your mind already?

That's just insane troll logic.

He was giving Woo a chance to get on his knees and beg forgiveness. Sort of like when a mother asks her five-year-old if they know where the cookie she said wasn't to be eaten has disappeared to.

Because he has all of the [scooby-doo] answers already, and Woo is just a kid who ate a cookie... the hell?

And I too would like some more information on where all of the DLC is, things are just horribly chaotic as it is.

[No swearing, please]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 09 février 2012 - 03:46 .

[Almostfaceman]

All this tie-in stuff isn't exactly new - George Lucas has been doing it with his movies for years, successfully. Can't fault Bioware for taking a crack at it in my humble opinion. I don't sweat it, I just buy what I want.

[Icinix]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Anyway - point is - the DLC is now so bloated and confusing that no-one really has any straight up answers or knows what the hell is going on - maybe the implentation of DLC prior to the game could be done better - especially now CE editions (editions maybe a little redundant) are sold / selling out fast. Making it harder to pick and choose which DLC they want.

Doesn't sound like you needed any light shed, but your point about confusion (which echoes some of the other posts in this thread) and maybe making the whole process simpler or better is totally fair.

Yeah - probably didn't need any light shed - but was kind of hoping for another 180 on the N7 so we WERE getting it from EB again. 

I really like that gun and armour.

[Yuoaman]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Why ask if you made up your mind already?

That's just insane troll logic.

So its trolling now to ask someone to defend their position after being presented with new evidence? Shocking. 

Stanley Woo wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

And I find it somewhat odd that you didn't respond to my earlier post. Still awaiting an answer on that if you can. 

You didn't ask a question and you seemed to have everything figured out on your own, being a developer and all. If you disagree with me, that's fine, we disagree. I disagree with your accusatory tone, though.

Sarcasm?  Very professional. You are correct in that I did not explicitly ask you a question, but I'd still like to see you address the contents of my post. Now you did so partially in answering someone else in reference to the time constraints. I didn't consider that since I dont have to deal with those so I'll give you that one. But in light of that, why charge for it still? If the only reason you're doing day one dlc is because of the constraints, why not have it for free?

-Polite

Why not give away their product?

Because they're a business, and that's a crappy business model.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Abispa wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

What was negative about my response? Please point it out if you can. Do contrasting views equate to negativity these days?

-Polite

Oh, the hypocricy of that last line! Especially since you accuse people who presents contrasting views as liars.

<_<

Where have I once called anyone a liar on these forums? You just pulling stuff out of thin air? Link or it didn't happen friend, you're just wasting time. If this was real life that'd be known as libel. Lucky for you we're on a forum and my internet reputation is irrelevant. 


-Polite

[Jaron Oberyn]

Yuoaman wrote...

Why not give away their product?

Because they're a business, and that's a crappy business model.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about. This is content that should have been in game. Now look if its a weapon, a piece of armor, or a reskin, whatever. Those are cosmetic. But for story content, content that was cut, according to Mr. Woo due to time constraints, it should be given free of charge because it should have been in game.


-Polite

[mkk316]

I think what people don't like is the idea of having to jump through hoops to get their content. More-so than actually having to pay for it. Preorder exclusives at a particular store, download codes for items in an artbook, etc etc etc. Don't make it into a chore to get your products for the people who want it. I'

[WizenSlinky0]

I actually rather like DLC because if a developer puts enough effort into it (as with the story-based content after ME2) it can extend the life of a game, which can be difficult to do in role-playing games that don't subscribe to the "100 hours of exploring is still content" philosophy.

The problem is the pricing. I can begrudgingly pick up a game's DLC, even if it is still overpriced compared to what it adds, but what about a few months later when the game is selling at $30? Or farther, when the average new price of a game is down to $20? You're still throwing out $5-10 per DLC if you want to play it. It kinda negates the whole aspect of gamers on a budget saving money by waiting.

Yeah, they can not play it, but why isn't the DLC priced as a percentage of the games digital sale price? Price goes down on the game, price goes down on the DLC.