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[Walker White]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Sarcasm?  Very professional. You are correct in that I did not explicitly ask you a question, but I'd still like to see you address the contents of my post. Now you did so partially in answering someone else in reference to the time constraints. I didn't consider that since I dont have to deal with those so I'll give you that one. But in light of that, why charge for it still? If the only reason you're doing day one dlc is because of the constraints, why not have it for free?

I have read that post three times and I honestly have no idea what the contents of that post are.  I see an opening argument from authority.  And then I see some accusations but have no idea where those accusations are coming from, or how they are backed up.

[crimzontearz]

ooooops double post

Modifié par crimzontearz, 09 février 2012 - 03:58 .

[crimzontearz]

Stanley Woo wrote...

PDesign wrote...
Collectors Edition from Gamestop - 80$
Standard Edition from Origin - 60$
ME Action Figures Series 1 (4-Pack) - 75$
ME Action Figures Series 2 (4-Pack) - 75$
The Art of the Mass Effect Universe - 40$
PlayStation 3 Slim Limited Mass Effect 3 Vault - 90$
Xbox 360 Slim Limited Mass Effect 3 Vault - 90$
iOS Game - 8$
Total = 518$
I don't understand why people complain.

Because they want content that costs $518 to get and only want to pay the $60 that is absolutely necessary to play ane enjoy the game. That's some people's reason, anyway, but those folks generally don't want to accept having only the bare minimum required. They want everything, which is fair, but either don't want to pay for it or want to dictate their own terms, which is, well, less fair.

that's just.....wrong


as in not right at all....not for everyone at least

[izmirtheastarach]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Where have I once called anyone a liar on these forums? You just pulling stuff out of thin air? Link or it didn't happen friend, you're just wasting time. If this was real life that'd be known as libel. Lucky for you we're on a forum and my internet reputation is irrelevant. 

-Polite

You said that you knew what Stanley said wasn't true. Is this not calling him a liar?

[Yuoaman]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Abispa wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

What was negative about my response? Please point it out if you can. Do contrasting views equate to negativity these days?

-Polite

Oh, the hypocricy of that last line! Especially since you accuse people who presents contrasting views as liars.

<_<

Where have I once called anyone a liar on these forums? You just pulling stuff out of thin air? Link or it didn't happen friend, you're just wasting time. If this was real life that'd be known as libel. Lucky for you we're on a forum and my internet reputation is irrelevant. 


-Polite

Why bring something up if you don't care?

[Maugrim]

Stanley Woo wrote...

PDesign wrote...

Collectors Edition from Gamestop - 80$
Standard Edition from Origin - 60$
ME Action Figures Series 1 (4-Pack) - 75$
ME Action Figures Series 2 (4-Pack) - 75$
The Art of the Mass Effect Universe - 40$
PlayStation 3 Slim Limited Mass Effect 3 Vault - 90$
Xbox 360 Slim Limited Mass Effect 3 Vault - 90$
iOS Game - 8$

Total = 518$

I don't understand why people complain.

Because they want content that costs $518 to get and only want to pay the $60 that is absolutely necessary to play ane enjoy the game. That's some people's reason, anyway, but those folks generally don't want to accept having only the bare minimum required. They want everything, which is fair, but either don't want to pay for it or want to dictate their own terms, which is, well, less fair.

Hey Stanley I'm not anti-dlc but that list does worry me a bit.  Not that it'll stop me from buying ME3 or any other Bioware game.  But I really do enjoy getting as much of the extra content as possible.  But some of those items, like the XBOX 360 case...I don't even own one!  Even so if I had money to burn I would buy it.

I realize that videogames and related items are all luxuries to which no one has any right too but I wish that there would be alternative ways to eventually get all the extras. I think timed exclusives are the way to go.  You and your partners get the incentives and you can still sell the DLC later to people like me who will never, ever (short of winning the lotto/marrying rich) by items like the XBOX 360 case or action figures.  Of course some people really don't like getting their exclusive stuff spread around to other people and there will be complaining about that...but I'll just quote David Gaider " And the person who says that the only way to please them is to restrict options for others is, if you ask me, the one who deserves it least. And that's my opinion, expressed as politely as possible."

[Yuoaman]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Where have I once called anyone a liar on these forums? You just pulling stuff out of thin air? Link or it didn't happen friend, you're just wasting time. If this was real life that'd be known as libel. Lucky for you we're on a forum and my internet reputation is irrelevant. 

-Polite

You said that you knew what Stanley said wasn't true. Is this not calling him a liar?

It only counts if it isn't him.

Because he only ever tells the truth, and is never wrong.

[Yuoaman]

Double post, it's not a thing.

Modifié par Yuoaman, 09 février 2012 - 04:01 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Yuoaman wrote...
It only counts if it isn't him.

Because he only ever tells the truth, and is never wrong.

PoliteAssasin wrote...

I refuse to believe it because I know it is false. Id still like to see him defend his position though.

I mean, is this not what I think it is?

[jeweledleah]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Anyway - point is - the DLC is now so bloated and confusing that no-one really has any straight up answers or knows what the hell is going on - maybe the implentation of DLC prior to the game could be done better - especially now CE editions (editions maybe a little redundant) are sold / selling out fast. Making it harder to pick and choose which DLC they want.

Doesn't sound like you needed any light shed, but your point about confusion (which echoes some of the other posts in this thread) and maybe making the whole process simpler or better is totally fair.

simpler, better and more unified (and subject to occasional sales)  would be fantastic.

I woudln't be surprised if you had customers that would be interested in a particular DLC, went to buy it, were told - oh you have to buy this points first before you can even begin to purchase your content, and went.. meh.

simpler faster purchasing process makes for happier, more numerous customers.  personaly I'm also a fan of sales every so often, but new JC Penney model of lower prices year round works too.

oh yes.  all DLC content being available for all eventualy.  I don't mind waiting for it if you want say preorder dlc's to be avaialbe only at certain retailers.  but I'd like to be able to get them eventualy.  I do beleive armor packs sell well, yes? 

Modifié par jeweledleah, 09 février 2012 - 04:05 .

[Yuoaman]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...
It only counts if it isn't him.

Because he only ever tells the truth, and is never wrong.

PoliteAssasin wrote...

I refuse to believe it because I know it is false. Id still like to see him defend his position though.

I mean, is this not what I think it is?

It's not.

No, wait it probably is.

[atheelogos]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I don't understand why people care so much about getting every single piece of armour or weapon or outfit or what have you. Who cares? I'll pay for story/character DLC, but never for weapons or armour. So if BW want to give out free armour or weapons for certain outlets or whatever let them- as long as I don't get shafted on the important stuff.

I hear ya. I just get upset when story dlc is released that I can't buy.

The items and stuff is a plus and I can live without it if I must, but if I miss out on missions dialogue and story then I have a big problem.

[izmirtheastarach]

Steam moves a ludicrous amount of content and games with their crazy sales. It's a good model.

[izmirtheastarach]

atheelogos wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I don't understand why people care so much about getting every single piece of armour or weapon or outfit or what have you. Who cares? I'll pay for story/character DLC, but never for weapons or armour. So if BW want to give out free armour or weapons for certain outlets or whatever let them- as long as I don't get shafted on the important stuff.

I hear ya. I just get upset when story dlc is released that I can't buy.

The items and stuff is a plus and I can live without it if I must, but if I miss out on missions dialogue and story then I have a big problem.

Is this happening? I've never seen this in any game I've played. I agree, if it did I would have a problem with it.

[atheelogos]

Stanley Woo wrote...

PDesign wrote...

Collectors Edition from Gamestop - 80$
Standard Edition from Origin - 60$
ME Action Figures Series 1 (4-Pack) - 75$
ME Action Figures Series 2 (4-Pack) - 75$
The Art of the Mass Effect Universe - 40$
PlayStation 3 Slim Limited Mass Effect 3 Vault - 90$
Xbox 360 Slim Limited Mass Effect 3 Vault - 90$
iOS Game - 8$

Total = 518$

I don't understand why people complain.

Because they want content that costs $518 to get and only want to pay the $60 that is absolutely necessary to play ane enjoy the game. That's some people's reason, anyway, but those folks generally don't want to accept having only the bare minimum required. They want everything, which is fair, but either don't want to pay for it or want to dictate their own terms, which is, well, less fair.

I see your point there, but what some of us are saying is we would like to buy the extra stuff without the real world add ons.

[ratzerman]

Stanley Woo wrote...

but your point about confusion (which echoes some of the other posts in this thread) and maybe making the whole process simpler or better is totally fair.

I sure would appreciate a master list of all the DLC that's available, and where we can get it. I was able to keep the various pre-order bonuses straight, but it seems like every other day there's something new going on sale that comes with a special downloadable something. I've honestly given up on trying to keep track of it all. I ordered the CE at Gamestop back in June, and I still cannot tell you what DLC it comes with.

[Yuoaman]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Steam moves a ludicrous amount of content and games with their crazy sales. It's a good model.

That it does, but EA really doesn't want to sell their DLC at lower prices.

[ArkkAngel007]

Did we just break the entire BioWare forum temporarily? Too much nerd rage. Tone this down a bit.

Anyways, so, Polite, Day 1 DLC isn't because of restraints on dev time. It's planned from the beginning as DLC. The team does their primary work on the main game and, time willing, will move on to the DLC and try to haul it out by launch. That's why you're being charged for it, as it took additional work and resources to develops and produce. Same goes for all additional DLC that you see post-launch. Sometimes devs will release stuff for free, but you shouldn't expect it all the time.

However, items that were pre-order only should be made free down the line if they are (read: should be) released, as that was provided free of charge to the game purchase.

[atheelogos]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I don't understand why people care so much about getting every single piece of armour or weapon or outfit or what have you. Who cares? I'll pay for story/character DLC, but never for weapons or armour. So if BW want to give out free armour or weapons for certain outlets or whatever let them- as long as I don't get shafted on the important stuff.

I hear ya. I just get upset when story dlc is released that I can't buy.

The items and stuff is a plus and I can live without it if I must, but if I miss out on missions dialogue and story then I have a big problem.

Is this happening? I've never seen this in any game I've played. I agree, if it did I would have a problem with it.

again I'm refering to the extra mission and squatmate, but as some have said this point is moot if they give that dlc to us upon release.

With that said I haven't seen a post by a bioware official that confirms they will release it on March 6th even though some here have said they intend to. Does anyone have a link to any of those statements?

Modifié par atheelogos, 09 février 2012 - 04:19 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

Walker White wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Sarcasm?  Very professional. You are correct in that I did not explicitly ask you a question, but I'd still like to see you address the contents of my post. Now you did so partially in answering someone else in reference to the time constraints. I didn't consider that since I dont have to deal with those so I'll give you that one. But in light of that, why charge for it still? If the only reason you're doing day one dlc is because of the constraints, why not have it for free?

I have read that post three times and I honestly have no idea what the contents of that post are.  I see an opening argument from authority.  And then I see some accusations but have no idea where those accusations are coming from, or how they are backed up.

Backed up by experience, something that the average video game consumer doesn't have since they generally have no idea about how things are made. Seeing as you probably don't have first hand knowledge, a little research wouldn't hurt you. 

izmirtheastarach wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Where have I once called anyone a liar on these forums? You just pulling stuff out of thin air? Link or it didn't happen friend, you're just wasting time. If this was real life that'd be known as libel. Lucky for you we're on a forum and my internet reputation is irrelevant. 

-Polite

You said that you knew what Stanley said wasn't true. Is this not calling him a liar?

Part of what he said isn't true. I conceded to part of his defense, but not the rest. No where did I call him a liar though. He believes in what he believes in, and I believe in what I believe in. It's honestly really a matter of opinion.
As I said before, I wouldn't do it. My company isn't doing it. If they want to, by all means do it. I believe that video games are underpriced, but I don't believe that this is the answer to it. 

-Polite

Modifié par PoliteAssasin, 09 février 2012 - 04:15 .

[Yuoaman]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Did we just break the entire BioWare forum temporarily? Too much nerd rage. Tone this down a bit.

Anyways, so, Polite, Day 1 DLC isn't because of restraints on dev time. It's planned from the beginning as DLC. The team does their primary work on the main game and, time willing, will move on to the DLC and try to haul it out by launch. That's why you're being charged for it, as it took additional work and resources to develops and produce. Same goes for all additional DLC that you see post-launch. Sometimes devs will release stuff for free, but you shouldn't expect it all the time.

However, items that were pre-order only should be made free down the line if they are (read: should be) released, as that was provided free of charge to the game purchase.

I think they just did some quick maintenance, I don't think we broke it.

[Yuoaman]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Walker White wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Sarcasm?  Very professional. You are correct in that I did not explicitly ask you a question, but I'd still like to see you address the contents of my post. Now you did so partially in answering someone else in reference to the time constraints. I didn't consider that since I dont have to deal with those so I'll give you that one. But in light of that, why charge for it still? If the only reason you're doing day one dlc is because of the constraints, why not have it for free?

I have read that post three times and I honestly have no idea what the contents of that post are.  I see an opening argument from authority.  And then I see some accusations but have no idea where those accusations are coming from, or how they are backed up.

Backed up by experience, something that the average video game consumer doesn't have since they generally have no idea about how things are made. Seeing as you probably don't have first hand knowledge, a little research wouldn't hurt you. 

izmirtheastarach wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Where have I once called anyone a liar on these forums? You just pulling stuff out of thin air? Link or it didn't happen friend, you're just wasting time. If this was real life that'd be known as libel. Lucky for you we're on a forum and my internet reputation is irrelevant. 

-Polite

You said that you knew what Stanley said wasn't true. Is this not calling him a liar?

Part of what he said isn't true. I conceded to part of his defense, but not the rest. No where did I call him a liar though. He believes in what he believes in, and I believe in what I believe in. It's honestly really a matter of opinion.


-Polite

Opinions cannot be right or wrong, that's what is confusing me right now. It can't be a 'matter of opinion' if you say he said something that wasn't true.

[izmirtheastarach]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Part of what he said isn't true. I conceded to part of his defense, but not the rest. No where did I call him a liar though. He believes in what he believes in, and I believe in what I believe in. It's honestly really a matter of opinion.
As I said before, I wouldn't do it. My company isn't doing it. If they want to, by all means do it. I believe that video games are underpriced, but I don't believe that this is the answer to it. 

-Polite

Perhaps instead of referencing a post from pages ago, you could explain what part of what he said is not true?