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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

THIS IS THE LAST GAME IN THE SERIES AND IT SHOULD BE COMPLETE. WHY MUST IT HAVE DLCS?

[Yuoaman]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

THIS IS THE LAST GAME IN THE SERIES AND IT SHOULD BE COMPLETE. WHY MUST IT HAVE DLCS?

It is complete.

DLC is extra content.

[Jaron Oberyn]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...
But again, get ripped off if you desire to do so. 
-Polite

This is my favourite argument from arrogant twerps like you. If I pay for a product, and I am satisfied by it, how can I be ripped off? It sorts of defies the definition of a ripoff.

As others have said, no one is going to convince you. And you're not convincing anyone. I don't even believe you have any connection to the games industry. After all, we have only your word for that, and since your whole attitude is rude and arrogant, we really have no reason to believe you.

Good luck with your one-sided ranting.

I couldn't care less if you really believe that I'm a game developer. I'm not here to convince you of that. You misinterpret knowledge with arrogance. You think they're not ripping you off, but in reality they are. Lets look at Activision for an example. 15 bucks for 3 maps. You pay 60 bucks for the games. Is that a rational price? Now onto Epic Games who has taken DLC abuse to a whole new level: All of their "DLC" was on the disc, yet they're selling it to you for a price and at designated times. Pretty much asking you to pay to unlock content already on your disc at the time of their choosing. It's all on there. But hey I suppose if your happy with it, its not ripping you off. Their DLC was already done with and shipped on disc, and they still make you pay for it. Now Bioware hasn't gone that low yet, but they're slowly inching towards it. Maybe if you were actually paying the bills you wouldn't want to carelessly throw money out of the window. I said it before and I'll say it again, I'm for paying more for video games. $60 dollars isn't representative of the amount of work that goes into them. But paying 10-15 dollars for small items here and there that should have been in game isn't proportional either. But rest my case. Obviously the BDF here isn't going to see eye to eye with the other side of the spectrum. Everything Bioware does is perfect. 

-Polite

[Xerxes52]

While I'm fine with having bonus DLC, I don't like how it's tied exclusively into figures, books, iOS games, etc.

If they took all these little bonus items and bundled them on Live for, say 400 points (which is pretty reasonable, look at all the stuff that's packed into the DA2 all-class packs), I would be fine with buying it that way.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

The problem here Stanley is that DLC for ME3 has become massively out of hand. I mean extra DLC for the Collectors Edition I think we can all understand and support. DLC such as LotSB and Arrival - absolutely, they add things to the story. Hell I can understand DLC from playing another games demo - EA wants cross-pollination, and this encourages us to play the thing, I know I wouldn't have done so without the DLC incentive.

But with ME3 you get DLC for brushing your teeth every night, plus an Assault Rifle for picking your nose at 1051 each morning. I mean, DLC included with figures? Nice way to flip the bird at customers who have already bought them. DLC for a book? Then you have things like everyone who pre-orders the game gets the M-55 Argus...oh unless you're in Australia, in which case you get shafted for no good reason if you don't buy it at EB Games. But then you'd need to buy it at GAME to get the Warfare Pack etc.

DLC as a concept is good, but what we're seeing here is the Dark Side of DLC - it's excessive, it's unnecessary, and it's going to alienate customers.

[Yuoaman]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...
But again, get ripped off if you desire to do so. 
-Polite

This is my favourite argument from arrogant twerps like you. If I pay for a product, and I am satisfied by it, how can I be ripped off? It sorts of defies the definition of a ripoff.

As others have said, no one is going to convince you. And you're not convincing anyone. I don't even believe you have any connection to the games industry. After all, we have only your word for that, and since your whole attitude is rude and arrogant, we really have no reason to believe you.

Good luck with your one-sided ranting.

I couldn't care less if you really believe that I'm a game developer. I'm not here to convince you of that. You misinterpret knowledge with arrogance. You think they're not ripping you off, but in reality they are. Lets look at Activision for an example. 15 bucks for 3 maps. You pay 60 bucks for the games. Is that a rational price? Now onto Epic Games who has taken DLC abuse to a whole new level: All of their "DLC" was on the disc, yet they're selling it to you for a price and at designated times. Pretty much asking you to pay to unlock content already on your disc at the time of their choosing. It's all on there. But hey I suppose if your happy with it, its not ripping you off. Their DLC was already done with and shipped on disc, and they still make you pay for it. Now Bioware hasn't gone that low yet, but they're slowly inching towards it. Maybe if you were actually paying the bills you wouldn't want to carelessly throw money out of the window. I said it before and I'll say it again, I'm for paying more for video games. $60 dollars isn't representative of the amount of work that goes into them. But paying 10-15 dollars for small items here and there that should have been in game isn't proportional either. But rest my case. Obviously the BDF here isn't going to see eye to eye with the other side of the spectrum. Everything Bioware does is perfect. 

-Polite

We're not ****ing talking about Activision or Epic Games.

[Severyx]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

THIS IS THE LAST GAME IN THE SERIES AND IT SHOULD BE COMPLETE. WHY MUST IT HAVE DLCS?

Clearly you failed to actually read anything in the thread. Mr. Woo has already answered this question.

Polite and Yuoaman should stop derailing the thread with bickering about words. I was hoping that Mr. Woo's many statements would help people understand the nature of DLCs, it would be a shame for this thread to be locked.

Modifié par Severyx, 09 février 2012 - 05:19 .

[AlanC9]

Weevilbits wrote...

As long as we're airing grievances and shedding light, can Stanley or whomever advise on why any given piece of content is or isn't offered "ala carte". I see all sorts of gnashing of teeth over, say, including exclusive DLC with a bunch of figurines or making stuff only available to people who purchase the CE. The bottom line, in all cases, is that just because you really like a video game and maybe want this or that downloadable add-on, that doesn't mean you want to festoon your living space with game-related knick-knacks and coffee-table books. While the standard response (that Bioware/EA is offering a deal that you as the consumer are free to take or leave) is perfectly valid, there's almost certainly money being left on the table with this setup.

Selling one more copy of any DLC at any price is pure revenue (marginal production costs being essentially zero and all), so restricting those potential sales in order to promote purchases of physical brickabrack just seems silly. I presume whoever comes up with these plans knows more than I do, but, well, that's why I'm asking.

If I had to guess, I'd guess that Bio's getting money from the figurine makers and so forth, and it's the figurine makers who want the DLC to be exclusive to them so it gives people an incentive to buy their products; it's probably in the contract. If I could get the DLC for 50 cents, would I really have an incentive to buy the figurine? Though Bio could presumably charge $8 or so for the DLC and make the figurine still worth buying, that would ****** people off even more.

[Yuoaman]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

The problem here Stanley is that DLC for ME3 has become massively out of hand. I mean extra DLC for the Collectors Edition I think we can all understand and support. DLC such as LotSB and Arrival - absolutely, they add things to the story. Hell I can understand DLC from playing another games demo - EA wants cross-pollination, and this encourages us to play the thing, I know I wouldn't have done so without the DLC incentive.

But with ME3 you get DLC for brushing your teeth every night, plus an Assault Rifle for picking your nose at 1051 each morning. I mean, DLC included with figures? Nice way to flip the bird at customers who have already bought them. DLC for a book? Then you have things like everyone who pre-orders the game gets the M-55 Argus...oh unless you're in Australia, in which case you get shafted for no good reason if you don't buy it at EB Games. But then you'd need to buy it at GAME to get the Warfare Pack etc.

DLC as a concept is good, but what we're seeing here is the Dark Side of DLC - it's excessive, it's unnecessary, and it's going to alienate customers.

The DLC with the figures are little multiplayer things that won't affect the game in any huge way - they're little extras for the fans who buy them.

[AlanC9]

Severyx wrote...
Polite and Yuoaman should stop derailing the thread with bickering about words. I was hoping that Mr. Woo's many statements would help people understand the nature of DLCs, it would be a shame for this thread to be locked.

Actually, that was mostly my fault. Once a copyeditor, always a copyeditor.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Yuoaman wrote...

We're not ****ing talking about Activision or Epic Games.

You seem to have a lot of anger issues.  Obviously you didn't understand the full context of the post, otherwise you'd realize that I simply referenced them. Keep trying friend.


-Polite

[Stanley Woo]

Hey, folks, the snark level has risen quite a bit over the last few pages. Can we take it down a couple of notches, please? PoliteAssassin and I have a difference of opinion, is all. There's no call to doubt his veracity or to misrepresent his posts.

EDIT: And PoliteAssassin, the request for a reduction in snark applies to you too. Thank you.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 09 février 2012 - 05:23 .

[Yuoaman]

AlanC9 wrote...

Severyx wrote...
Polite and Yuoaman should stop derailing the thread with bickering about words. I was hoping that Mr. Woo's many statements would help people understand the nature of DLCs, it would be a shame for this thread to be locked.

Actually, that was mostly my fault. Once a copyeditor, always a copyeditor.

No, I was also at fault - when I get mad I start correcting grammar.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Yuoaman wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

THIS IS THE LAST GAME IN THE SERIES AND IT SHOULD BE COMPLETE. WHY MUST IT HAVE DLCS?

It is complete.

DLC is extra content.

I am not convinced. Why should I buy a mission which actually affects ME3 (and war against the reapers) if I don't? see what I did there?

[Yuoaman]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

We're not ****ing talking about Activision or Epic Games.

You seem to have a lot of anger issues.  Obviously you didn't understand the full context of the post, otherwise you'd realize that I simply referenced them. Keep trying friend.


-Polite

This thread is about Bioware's DLC, you decided to make an argument based off of another company's policies regarding DLC.

[izmirtheastarach]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

I couldn't care less if you really believe that I'm a game developer. I'm not here to convince you of that. You misinterpret knowledge with arrogance. You think they're not ripping you off, but in reality they are. Lets look at Activision for an example. 15 bucks for 3 maps. You pay 60 bucks for the games. Is that a rational price? Now onto Epic Games who has taken DLC abuse to a whole new level: All of their "DLC" was on the disc, yet they're selling it to you for a price and at designated times. Pretty much asking you to pay to unlock content already on your disc at the time of their choosing. It's all on there. But hey I suppose if your happy with it, its not ripping you off. Their DLC was already done with and shipped on disc, and they still make you pay for it. Now Bioware hasn't gone that low yet, but they're slowly inching towards it. Maybe if you were actually paying the bills you wouldn't want to carelessly throw money out of the window. I said it before and I'll say it again, I'm for paying more for video games. $60 dollars isn't representative of the amount of work that goes into them. But paying 10-15 dollars for small items here and there that should have been in game isn't proportional either. But rest my case. Obviously the BDF here isn't going to see eye to eye with the other side of the spectrum. Everything Bioware does is perfect. 

-Polite

Once again. Simply offering a product does not constitue a ripoff. One has to purchase the content in order for a ripoff to occur. I havn't purchased any of the things you are using as examples. Therefore, I cannot have been ripped off. Do you understand this concept? I'm baffled how providing a bunch of examples of things that other companies have done helps you to make some sort of argument about what Bioware is doing.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

Not relevant though Yuoaman - if they're that insignificant, why do them at all? Bioware and EA know full well that there are many completionists around and the DLC idea is a way to get us to re-purchase something we've already bought.

Personally I already bought the Shepard and Tali figures from the first lot, and Bioware can shove it where the sun doesn't shine, I'm not buying them again. All it achieves in this case though is pissing off established customers.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Severyx wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

THIS IS THE LAST GAME IN THE SERIES AND IT SHOULD BE COMPLETE. WHY MUST IT HAVE DLCS?

Clearly you failed to actually read anything in the thread. Mr. Woo has already answered this question.

Polite and Yuoaman should stop derailing the thread with bickering about words. I was hoping that Mr. Woo's many statements would help people understand the nature of DLCs, it would be a shame for this thread to be locked.

I'm still on the subject of DLC, it was my good friend  Yuoaman who wrongly assumed I was using an incorrect word. The conversation with him is going nowhere anyways, and it seems as if his blood pressure is hitting the roof judging by the anger in his comments. I'd rather avoid future confrontation so I'll step away from this argument. I'm done on this subject. 


-Polite

[AlanC9]

PoliteAssasin wrote...
Lets look at Activision for an example. 15 bucks for 3 maps. You pay 60 bucks for the games. Is that a rational price?

Is it worth 15 bucks for me to have those 3 maps? If so, then 15 bucks is a rational price. If not, I don't buy the maps.

It is impossible for someone to be ripped off when buying DLC unless the company has somehow misinformed him of the contents of that DLC.

(Unless you want to go all Marxist on us and revive the labor theory of value.)

Modifié par AlanC9, 09 février 2012 - 05:24 .

[jcolt]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

jcolt wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Hey BioWare...please continue with the good DLCs with story content, etc. And for those who are upset by the other stuff...don't buy it?

agreed like i've bought every story content dlc but i will not buy the action figures for the dlc just because theres no way i'm gonna buy an action figure i don't care how much story content it has, but i'm not gonna gripe about it because its my choice.

Once again, it has no story content. Is has worthless multiplayer content. There is no benefit to buying the figures unless you want to figures.

good i never bothered to look because i never had any intention on buyin thanks for lettin me know though.

[hex23]

PoliteAssasin, maybe you responded and I didn't see it. If that's the case I'll ask again. Who are you and what do you do, exactly?

[Stanley Woo]

hex23 wrote...

PoliteAssasin, maybe you responded and I didn't see it. If that's the case I'll ask again. Who are you and what do you do, exactly?

Let it go, hex23.

[Chala]

Hey Woo! Any chances to have those extra dlc on a disk like some kind of expansion? Mostly because in my country is a little complicated to get them and it's less annoying to buy them as something physical

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 09 février 2012 - 05:28 .

[Severyx]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

Not relevant though Yuoaman - if they're that insignificant, why do them at all? Bioware and EA know full well that there are many completionists around and the DLC idea is a way to get us to re-purchase something we've already bought.

Personally I already bought the Shepard and Tali figures from the first lot, and Bioware can shove it where the sun doesn't shine, I'm not buying them again. All it achieves in this case though is pissing off established customers.

I have a lot of completionist friends, and this is their general stance on all of this: Completionist is someone who aims to complete all the base game content. If you plan on buying any/all the DLCs, you've gone beyond completionist. Now you're a consumerist!

[PicdiCr80]

I really can't see how so many people can say "DLC is so bad, I hate it, we should stop buying it!" then say how you spent about $20 or so on clothing items for a game, from DLC. I mean, if you want it to stop, just don't buy it, stop telling everyone how you're happy to spend hundreds of dollars on really small, crappy items.

For me, the concept of DLC is fine, it's just the quality of DLC seems to be fading slightly, albeit atleast Bioware tell you when they're releasing a big DLC with a story etc. such as Overlord, LotSB etc. and if it's gonna' be a weapon pack for a dollar or something, which is helpfull and really aslong as they keep or improve the story DLC quality, I'm happy. The only thing I don't like is if there's say, a non-CE first-day DLC you're being charged for, although that's yet to happen, it's still something I would be against.

So really, Bioware right now aren't actually doing anything "wrong" if you can say that, but it's just confusing people I think and with all of the worry that soon they'll be releasing a baseball cap for Shepard which will cost you $100 or something. 

P.S, the people that said they spend $10 + on tiny items they KNOW are bad, yet want to get it anyway, then moan, you should be ashamed, not even kidding. Especially the people that said if they married rich or got given loads of money they'd spend it on more of those items, as multiple have said, that's really taking it too far if you ask me and only helps fuel the problem you say you want to avoid.