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[ArkkAngel007]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Tell the "new audience" out there about what makes Mass Effect what it is.  If they're interested, they'll buy it.  Love it.  Tell their friends.  Sell the game, and they'll pick up all the goofy merchandise on their own.  Don't shove all the extras in their faces.

This!

Agreed.  None of the DLC being offered are tied to anything someone new would get.  The art book?  Limited copies that only ME fans know and care about.  The console shells?  Again, only for people who are really into the game would purchase those.  Toys?  Isn't this a mature rated title?  Unless some kid picks up the toys (again, wrong demographic), no one who hasn't picked up the games is going to go "neat!" and pick those up first to get into the series.

I can understand, and encourage, tieing DLC to an accessory title to the series and to demos, but that's because folks will actually go for that stuff and there's a greater chance that someone new will come across it there than some obscure swag.  But in the end, it's the game you want to sell, not the accessories.  It's called priorities, and believe it or not, consumers have those too.

[Ranicus56]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

The issues with these little DLCs would be solved by simply bundling them all together and releasing them later. The issue with me and people like me isn't that we have to pay for them, but the fact that we have to go 50 different ways to get them. That's more annoying than the stuff existing at all.

Toss the stuff on Origin/PSN/XBL and take my money in three months, and I'll be good.

I 100% agree with this

[Il Divo]

Terror_K wrote...

That analogy falls flat on its face though, because what BioWare is doing is more akin to not even allowing you to add cheese to a single burger unless you buy two other large meals, or not allowing you to add cheese because of the car you drive or the place you live. If they would just let me pay to add the cheese on the hamburger it wouldn't be so much of an issue, but they won't... not unless I give them 10 times as much money as it costs by buying stuff I don't want, or because I'm not local and drive the type of car they want.

This analogy has problems as well. The problem is that in ordering a cheeseburger, I'm never going to order every possible topping just because I want to be a completionist. I like cheese, so I order cheese on my hamburger. You're not going to see me put tomato on my burger just because it represents the "complete experience". The completionist operates in defiance of this. The completionist is concerned with owning everything because they have an impulse to own everything, not because they feel that what they are purchasing will add to their game or is worth the cost.

Modifié par Il Divo, 09 février 2012 - 01:01 .

[DragonRageGT]

Il Divo wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

That analogy falls flat on its face though, because what BioWare is doing is more akin to not even allowing you to add cheese to a single burger unless you buy two other large meals, or not allowing you to add cheese because of the car you drive or the place you live. If they would just let me pay to add the cheese on the hamburger it wouldn't be so much of an issue, but they won't... not unless I give them 10 times as much money as it costs by buying stuff I don't want, or because I'm not local and drive the type of car they want.

This analogy has problems as well. The problem is that in ordering a cheeseburger, I'm never going to order every possible topping just because I want to be a completionist. I like cheese, so I order cheese on my hamburger. You're not going to see me put tomato on my burger just because it represents the "complete experience". The completionist operates in defiance of this. The completionist is concerned with owning everything because they have an impulse to own everything, not because they feel that what they are purchasing will add to their game or is worth the cost.

Well, that is why we have a sandwich called X-Tudo (chesse+everything) here. For people who want it all!

[wolfsite]

Ranicus56 wrote...

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

The issues with these little DLCs would be solved by simply bundling them all together and releasing them later. The issue with me and people like me isn't that we have to pay for them, but the fact that we have to go 50 different ways to get them. That's more annoying than the stuff existing at all.

Toss the stuff on Origin/PSN/XBL and take my money in three months, and I'll be good.

I 100% agree with this

They did that with ME2 DLC before so I can see them doing it again

Inferno Armour became available in the Equalizer pack
M-29 Incisor Sniper Rifle was made available in the Aegis pack
Think there was one more not sure.


If I recall right people complained about making them available that way also.  So they are pretty much damned if they don't and damned if they do since people wil complain if they keep the items linked but people will complain if they make them available in another pack later on.

But again I stand by my original statement.  It's optional content and no one is forcing you to purchase it.  I love Mass Effect.... am I going to buy all this extra content?  No, because I choose not to.  I picked up the CE edition because that has the content I want and have no desire in purchasing the supplemental DLC since it doesn't interest me, however it may interest someone else so they have the choice of purchasing it or not.

[ArkkAngel007]

wolfsite wrote...

Ranicus56 wrote...

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

The issues with these little DLCs would be solved by simply bundling them all together and releasing them later. The issue with me and people like me isn't that we have to pay for them, but the fact that we have to go 50 different ways to get them. That's more annoying than the stuff existing at all.

Toss the stuff on Origin/PSN/XBL and take my money in three months, and I'll be good.

I 100% agree with this

They did that with ME2 DLC before so I can see them doing it again

Inferno Armour became available in the Equalizer pack
M-29 Incisor Sniper Rifle was made available in the Aegis pack
Think there was one more not sure.


If I recall right people complained about making them available that way also.  So they are pretty much damned if they don't and damned if they do since people wil complain if they keep the items linked but people will complain if they make them available in another pack later on.

But again I stand by my original statement.  It's optional content and no one is forcing you to purchase it.  I love Mass Effect.... am I going to buy all this extra content?  No, because I choose not to.  I picked up the CE edition because that has the content I want and have no desire in purchasing the supplemental DLC since it doesn't interest me, however it may interest someone else so they have the choice of purchasing it or not.

The only complaint I had heard about for ME2 DLC was the unavailability of Blackstorm armor and the included heavy weapon that was offered through GameStop as a preorder incentive.  Understandable, as most other DLC was made available later, but it wasn't to big of a deal.  I didn't miss it.

[breyant]

FFXIII-2 may be the worst culprit... They intentionally left the ending open so that they can release episodes to finish the story.

I've always been on the fence about DLC and even supported it in some cases (Overlord, LotSB)... but in Square Enix's case, this is just some DLC BS. DLC is supposed to add to the game, not conclude it!

[chengthao]

the best way to "stick-it-to-them" is just wait and buy the game used (BW and EA don't see the money from a purchased used game) and then pay for the DLC, that way they don''t get "all of your money" and you send a middle finger at EA/BW . . . for me personally this is probably the last BW/EA game that i buy new . . . any new game by BW or any game published by EA, i'm not buying and if i do i'm buying used

[jamskinner]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
It's cut due to time constraints, right? Well, that means that it shouldn't have been in the game, because the game didn't have infinite development time. That's what "time constraint" means. Sure, it sucks that the game didn't have infinite development time, but that's the way the world works.

You want more development time assigned to the game? Well, someone needs to pay for that time. Hence, charging for the DLC.

I find your condescendence amusing. According to Mr. Woo the content doesn't make it into game because they have to ship it off for certification about 4-8 weeks before release. It was still being developed alongside the game. By your logic, we should have to pay for patches as well. I do in fact think games should cost more than $60 dollars, but 10 dollars for these little DLCs sprinkled here and there that should have been in game isn't justifiable. If it was developed during game dev time, it should be included, or for free on release date. If it was developed late in the development cycle or after release date, then fine charge for it.

That's "condescension." Since you find it amusing I figure I can throw a little more in.

By your logic, we've always been cheated. Before DLC the cut content was never finished at all. Now it gets finished, but you gotta pay for it.

Sure, it's nice to dream about some fantasy universe where companies finish this stuff and give it to us for free because someone high-up read a PoliteAssassin post and was shamed into doing it. I don't think that's the universe we're living in.

Quite sure the word I was looking for was condescendence, not condescension.  As for your argument, again it's weak. But hey if you want to keep inflating the corporate executives wallet, do as you please. If you honestly think DLC is the formerly cut content in previous video games, you are sadly mistaken. Cut content in video games is content that doesn't make it period, not content that gets released at a later date. But again, get ripped off if you desire to do so. 


-Polite

What was EA's profit last quarter?
http://gamerinvestme...ended-12-31-11/

Modifié par jamskinner, 09 février 2012 - 01:46 .

[DragonRageGT]

I was about to d/l KoA demo with my Origin when I noticed the Play KoA and ME3 demo and unlock items for both games. I immediately stopped the d/l, closed Origin and I'm back for the final 1/3rd of my current ME2 run.

It is disgusting what they are doing!

[chengthao]

DragonRageGT wrote...

I was about to d/l KoA demo with my Origin when I noticed the Play KoA and ME3 demo and unlock items for both games. I immediately stopped the d/l, closed Origin and I'm back for the final 1/3rd of my current ME2 run.

It is disgusting what they are doing!

sux that there's enough sheep out there that will defend them and enable them to continue doing this . . . though i don't really think the KoA demo extra is all that bad, EA's just trying to promote KoA and the ME3 DLC is free so i don't really care about that

[jamskinner]

DragonRageGT wrote...

I was about to d/l KoA demo with my Origin when I noticed the Play KoA and ME3 demo and unlock items for both games. I immediately stopped the d/l, closed Origin and I'm back for the final 1/3rd of my current ME2 run.

It is disgusting what they are doing!

What is disgusting about giving content away for free?
If you guys hate it so bad, quite buying it.  Heck, start your own game company
if you are so good.  People seem to think businesses are in business to just provide a service
or product.  That is part, but they obivously are in it to make money.  The same as you and I.

Modifié par jamskinner, 09 février 2012 - 01:49 .

[Arppis]

But I like extra content, they always bring me new guns, armor (which will spice up the replay quite a bit) and new stories.

[chengthao]

jamskinner wrote...

DragonRageGT wrote...

I was about to d/l KoA demo with my Origin when I noticed the Play KoA and ME3 demo and unlock items for both games. I immediately stopped the d/l, closed Origin and I'm back for the final 1/3rd of my current ME2 run.

It is disgusting what they are doing!

What is disgusting about giving content away for free?

b/c i'd rather pay for free content!!!! RAGE RAGE RAGE . . . rabble rabble rabble rabble . . . . .

[Exia001]

I would also like to know, I mean its free stuff and its not like important stuff its just a gun

[chengthao]

jamskinner wrote...

What was EA's profit last quarter?
http://gamerinvestme...ended-12-31-11/

seems EA is doing quite well

[vonSlash]

AlanC9 wrote...

vonSlash wrote...
TL;DR: I'm confused as to why EA/Bioware thinks it's a good idea to avoid the "THIS GAME is GREAT because your decisions DETERMINE the FATE OF THE UNIVERSE!" approach in favor of the "THE GAME is GREAT because you KILL MUTATED ALIENS in SPACE!" approach in their marketing campaign.

Simple. EA believes that most gamers who can be influenced by marketing are idiots.

They're probably right.

That's not quite what I was getting at, though.

I pay attention to marketing campaigns for games that I'm considering buying, and in those cases, a good marketing campaign can persuade me to buy the game (see DX:HR trailers), and a bad marketing campaign can dissuade me from purchasing the game (see most of EA's marketing in recent years). I'm more intelligent than the 'average" consumer and far less likely to be impressed by "GUNZ! BULLETZ! WOMENZ! BUY GAME NAO!"-style advertising, but I can still be influenced by well-thought-out marketing that actually presents an accurate representation of the game being sold. But of course, because I "can be influenced by marketing", I must be an idiot too. <_<


All I'm trying to do is advocate intelligent marketing that stresses the unique factors of the product as opposed to ignorant bandwagon-style marketing that glosses over the special features of the product, even when this second approach creates more competition with other products that have been doing the same thing better and for longer. Mass Effect contains shooter elements, but it isn't a TPS in the same sense as Gears, and differs greatly from Battlefield/CoD/Halo/<insert recent multiplayer shooter of your choice here>, and shouldn't be advertised as such, because not only does it offend the existing fans, it also won't recruit new long-term fans. If shooter player X buys Mass Effect 3, thinking it to be Gears of War 2.0, he'll likely be disappointed and will be less likely to buy DLC and future games.

[DragonRageGT]

It is disgusting because I feel like a sucker and will have to resume downloading and playing both demos to get ME3 stuff. I won't be buying KoA any time soon even if it is that good. ME3 N7 DDE will already consume my spare money. Well, that and my wife would kill me if I bought 2 games so soon.

PS.: and I'm very likely not even use the stuff because I refuse to use DLC stuff, like op'ed weapons, that makes the game any easier and unbalanced.

Modifié par DragonRageGT, 09 février 2012 - 01:59 .

[Ranicus56]

breyant wrote...

FFXIII-2 may be the worst culprit... They intentionally left the ending open so that they can release episodes to finish the story.

I've always been on the fence about DLC and even supported it in some cases (Overlord, LotSB)... but in Square Enix's case, this is just some DLC BS. DLC is supposed to add to the game, not conclude it!

Did they really do that?

[WaffleCrab]

These short DLC's we have seen with ME2 are something like this: They bake a cake "ME2" then take a quarter of the cake out, but it has most of the delicious parts in it, divide it to small chunks. make us pay for the cake. then tell us later, if you want the cake to be delicious you need to pay the cakes price twice over. and you still need to bake it yourself and you need to do it in small bits.

When a good DLC would be like this. Hi we made a game, It is a bit incomplete so we release it incomplete to sate the hype and fanboys, Wait 3-5 months and you will be given the option to buy the missing parts in one nice package.

[corporal doody]

DragonRageGT wrote...

It is disgusting because I feel like a sucker and will have to resume downloading and playing both demos to get ME3 stuff. I won't be buying KoA any time soon even if it is that good. ME3 N7 DDE will already consume my spare money. Well, that and my wife would kill me if I bought 2 games so soon.

wth dude?!!!  the KoA demo is free! start the demo...get a free ME3 item. Finish the demo..get a free ME3 item!  i dont understand why you are using the term "disgusting" to describe being rewarded for trying a DEMO (WHICH IS FREE)!
I think the term is cross marketing or some junk...dont know exactly...maybe pseudo cross dealy-bob. You get an Extra item IF (AND ONLY IF) you BUY the FULL game...WHy would you buy a game you dont want just for a single DLC item?!!!! now that is strange. NO ONE IS saying you have to buy it! 

[Nu-Nu]

I have two minds about dlc, they can be really good or they can be useless and cost too much.

I like the fact that the waiting time for ME3 was broken up with DLC, it's been hard not having a ME fix since 'Arrival'. DLC are good to break up that time waiting.

On the otehr hand, I like extra bonus content, but I won't pay just for extra weapons or armour, they don't add to the story or lengthen the game, they're irrelevant in my eyes. Where dlc delves into story and characters that is more tricky and annoying.

With DA2, I got Exile Prince and Legacy dlc, they were okay but weren't worth the price and so I haven't bought the last dlc. Now there is rumour Bioware are going to stop producing dlc for DA2 because the dlc has not done as well as they thought, maybe they'll finish on whatever one they're working on. Some people are upset that there might not be another dlc for DA2 but I don't care. DA2 wasn't special and I don't feel the need to shell out on more dlc. If people stop getting every single download and stop caring about them, then Bioware will have to think twice.

Trouble with Mass effect, they're a different team to Dragon Age and they're pretty good with dlc, apart from the "featherwalker" content, they really should have killed that concept with fire.

Bioware needs to consider more carefully whether the dlc is worth it or not, and whether they should be added to the game or not?

[corporal doody]

i have no problem with the way BW (and EA for the most part...save for some of the sports series) has been doing their DLC. They arent like Capcom...selling DLC items on day one when they are already on disk. Square Enix has seemed to pick up the same habit as of late. It is for this reason i have chosen to boycott the two companies.

IT IS MY MONEY AND I CAN BUY WHATEVER DLC I WANT!! wanna call me a sheep for making the choice I do...THEN BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaahhhhhh

[Grimm jow]

breyant wrote...

FFXIII-2 may be the worst culprit... They intentionally left the ending open so that they can release episodes to finish the story.

I've always been on the fence about DLC and even supported it in some cases (Overlord, LotSB)... but in Square Enix's case, this is just some DLC BS. DLC is supposed to add to the game, not conclude it!

XIII-2 Spolier:
The ending wasn't "left open", entropy reigns. Because of how things are setup, the outcome may or may not be changed. Chaos was released and time is stopped. Caius wins. That is a true ending to a complete game. They may or may not make it into a trilogy. If you wan to damn SE for expanding the story further, then damn Bioware for making ME3 or DLC aswell. Arrival pretty much concludes ME2.
End Spoiler

I don't really mind DLC anymore if it's not some nickle and dime attempt, or where the developer cut a chunk out of the game to resell(Assassin's Creed 2). That is unless it's day 1 DLC. Stuff like the Normandy crash site I can't support, and didn't need to thanks to Microsoft's blunder

[DaJe]

GhostV9 wrote...

Avalanche404 wrote...

PPS: I think the following image is fully pertaining the matter.

This.

Yes, this.

Stop buying all the DLC.
Buy DLC like Liar of the Shadow Broker because that was a good self contained story and gameplay content without ruining the rest of the game. That needs support.
The only language those who force micro transactions understand is money. Speak it.