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To the attention of Bioware team and community: please stop DLCs


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#76
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Malanek999 wrote...

Some DLC is good. I liked Overlord, LotSB, Arrival, 2/3ds of the firepower pack, DA2 story dlc. Other dlc isn't my thing like appearance packs or all the DAO dlc which was just rubbish. The only thing I think is actually harmful are item packs which are unbalanced. DA (O and 2) is notorius for that and creates real problems for the devs. The Mattock and Stasis were overpowered but luckily this was late enough for the devs to just ignore and not try and balance the game for players using them.


It's also really easy for gamers to balance things in a single-player game. Don't use them. I've never used stasis. I only use N7 armor, and I try to avoid the Mattock till late in game. It's easy.

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The problem here is you are acting like they are forcing you to purchase content that is additional and optional.  No one is forcing you to put up money to pay for supplemental content.

You have many options for DLC

1. Buy it and expand your experience.
2. Wait for a collectors or bundle edition.
3. Not buy it at all.

ME2 was a complete experience out of the box with the story DLC being nice add-ons after the mission was over (Shadow Broker/Arrival) or nice side stories that didn't really add to ME2 (Project Overlord/Stolen Memories).

The nice thing though with ME2 DLC is that it is being carried over into ME3 essentially giving the DLC added value since it's available in two games for one purchase..... but again you do not have to pruchase it.

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What concerns me is the dlc that they announced would come with the action figures, and how you had to collect them all to get all the dlc. What if you wanted the dlc but didn't want to buy every action figure to get it? Personally I think thats just too much...

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Double post! Wheee!!!

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 09 février 2012 - 01:21 .


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Volkrex wrote...

What concerns me is the dlc that they announced would come with the action figures, and how you had to collect them all to get all the dlc. What if you wanted the dlc but didn't want to buy every action figure to get it? Personally I think thats just too much...


That DLC is nothing but multi-player unlocks. It's either going to be leveling unlocks or stuff that you can buy on day 1. No way is it going to be exclusive. And it's for MP, so it has no impact on the game at all. It's just a silly promotional thing.

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I don't really mind post-release dlc that's of an acceptable.. stand...ard.

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You know what, it's just easier to say "what AdmiralCheez said". Let's go with that.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

My problem is that EVERYTHING has exclusive DLC now.  It's moved beyond a cool bonus that makes the game more fun--now it's obnoxious and gimmicky.  I also have a problem with day one DLC because, seriously, that stuff should go in the god damn game.  There is no point in NOT including it in the vanilla edition other than to nickel and dime your consumer base.

"Bonus" content left and right before the damn game's even out?  Pathetic.

And that's my opinion on that.

You know what they call bonus content that's already in the main game? "The main game." To be a "bonus" it has be demonstrably separate from the main game. It has to be an add-on to something that is already a whole thing.

If it's "in the god damn game," it's just content, and to call it a bonus then would just anger more people because the bonus is already in the game! I don't think you can complain about "bonus DLC should be in the game" in one breath and suggest "make the bonus more invisible but still call it a bonus" in the next. Because at that point, you're just wanting to get more content for free.

Whenever these topics come up, I try to explain how DLC is made, by whom, and why it can't appear on the game disc. But some people are quite happy to dig in their heels and keep spouting their incorrect and misguided statements against DLC. I'm okay with folks disagreeing with DLC or disliking it, even hating it as a concept, but please be honest about it and get your facts straight, at the very least.

And Gatt9, that goes for you too. :)

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Volkrex wrote...

What concerns me is the dlc that they announced would come with the action figures, and how you had to collect them all to get all the dlc. What if you wanted the dlc but didn't want to buy every action figure to get it? Personally I think thats just too much...


Well they made gear like that from ME2 available later on in weapons packs so they could re-package it at a later date.

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 09 février 2012 - 01:24 .


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izmirtheastarach wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Some DLC is good. I liked Overlord, LotSB, Arrival, 2/3ds of the firepower pack, DA2 story dlc. Other dlc isn't my thing like appearance packs or all the DAO dlc which was just rubbish. The only thing I think is actually harmful are item packs which are unbalanced. DA (O and 2) is notorius for that and creates real problems for the devs. The Mattock and Stasis were overpowered but luckily this was late enough for the devs to just ignore and not try and balance the game for players using them.


It's also really easy for gamers to balance things in a single-player game. Don't use them. I've never used stasis. I only use N7 armor, and I try to avoid the Mattock till late in game. It's easy.

That's right, so long as the devs don't start balancing the game for them. Take DA2 for example, in the 2nd story dlc there is an encounter with a skylord (or something, can't quite remember) that is exceptionally difficult and can one shot your entire party (or all 4 characters one after the other if you spread them out) but becomes much, much easier if you have sufficiently powerful items...which are all dlcs items.

But yes, Stasis isn't as bad because you just don't have to use it. Although likewise, doing 0 death playthroughs where there are mulitple y-mirs without a good enviroment to protect yourself, is hundreds of times easier if you do use stasis. 

If the devs release too much item dlc that is better than normal game items, how are they supposed to challenge the players that have it, while not make things too difficult for players who don't?

Modifié par Malanek999, 09 février 2012 - 01:25 .


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 This excessive DLC trend is so annoying. I hope people get tired of paying $100+ for their video games soon so publishers stop with the nickle-and-diming and get back to a more honest business model.

Unfortunately there are a lot of rabid video gamers out there these days who will take it in the behind and ask for more, because VG's are like crack for them. That's the only way it could have gotten this excessive to begin with.

I guess I "don't have to buy" a bunch of the game, that makes it all better so I'm told. <_<

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 09 février 2012 - 01:30 .


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Stanley said it much better than I would have said it.

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Stanley Woo wrote...

I don't think you can complain about "bonus DLC should be in the game" in one breath and suggest "make the bonus more invisible but still call it a bonus" in the next.

I must've missed the existence of that second statement. Confound these tired eyes.

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Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Unfortunately there are a lot of rabid video gamers out there these days who will take it in the behind and ask for more, because VG's are like crack for them. That's the only way it could have gotten this excessive to begin with.


This statement made me chuckle. Utterly ridiculous hyperbole, but still.

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a agree 100% with the OP, and perhaps this company is the worst of them all in terms of DLC(capcom is bad too)

this [doodly-doo] is killing the industry, one thing is more contend like shadow broker or that shane character in dragon age to stop used games, other is day one DLC and cutting contend from the [gopher-feeding] game

first - shale dlc to stop used games
second - that day one character from da2 and the mercenary from mass effect 2
third - DLC for every thing related to mass effect 3 ( this i dont mind, weapons only and other [pastry])

what next? pre order DLC?

KILLING THE INDUSTRY



:ph34r:[no swearing, please]:ph34r:

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 09 février 2012 - 01:39 .


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Stanley Woo wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
My problem is that EVERYTHING has exclusive DLC now.  It's moved beyond a cool bonus that makes the game more fun--now it's obnoxious and gimmicky.  I also have a problem with day one DLC because, seriously, that stuff should go in the god damn game.  There is no point in NOT including it in the vanilla edition other than to nickel and dime your consumer base.
"Bonus" content left and right before the damn game's even out?  Pathetic.
And that's my opinion on that.

You know what they call bonus content that's already in the main game? "The main game." To be a "bonus" it has be demonstrably separate from the main game. It has to be an add-on to something that is already a whole thing.
If it's "in the god damn game," it's just content, and to call it a bonus then would just anger more people because the bonus is already in the game! I don't think you can complain about "bonus DLC should be in the game" in one breath and suggest "make the bonus more invisible but still call it a bonus" in the next. Because at that point, you're just wanting to get more content for free.

Whenever these topics come up, I try to explain how DLC is made, by whom, and why it can't appear on the game disc. But some people are quite happy to dig in their heels and keep spouting their incorrect and misguided statements against DLC. I'm okay with folks disagreeing with DLC or disliking it, even hating it as a concept, but please be honest about it and get your facts straight, at the very least.

And Gatt9, that goes for you too. :)

that's not what he was saying Volus Man

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I'm not too concerend about the amount of DLC - since most of it just cosmetic rubbish anyway.

What I am concerned about is the lack of transparency with what each piece actually is and WHO its available too.

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As long as they put it ALL up for sale later (minus the CE stuff, sorry guys) it would be fine. I hate not knowing what hoops I do and don't have to jump through. To this day you cannot get the GameStop Preorder items for ME2 on the Xbox w/o the Preorder code - everything else you can buy, and you can even buy it on the PS3. Let me have the complete game, even if I have to buy it from you - give me the option.

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Stanley Woo wrote...

You know what they call bonus content that's already in the main game? "The main game." To be a "bonus" it has be demonstrably separate from the main game. It has to be an add-on to something that is already a whole thing.

If it's "in the god damn game," it's just content, and to call it a bonus then would just anger more people because the bonus is already in the game! I don't think you can complain about "bonus DLC should be in the game" in one breath and suggest "make the bonus more invisible but still call it a bonus" in the next. Because at that point, you're just wanting to get more content for free.

Whenever these topics come up, I try to explain how DLC is made, by whom, and why it can't appear on the game disc. But some people are quite happy to dig in their heels and keep spouting their incorrect and misguided statements against DLC. I'm okay with folks disagreeing with DLC or disliking it, even hating it as a concept, but please be honest about it and get your facts straight, at the very least.

And Gatt9, that goes for you too. :)


If there's a valid reason that Day 1 dlc isn't on the game disc I'm cool with that. That would pretty much be the only dlc I'd feel like I'm getting nickled and dimed on.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 09 février 2012 - 01:38 .


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I also have to state I have no problem with free day 1 dlc that is designed to decrease second hand sales or piracy. I much prefer that to some of the bug ridden attempts at copy protection that have come up in the last decade that actually degrade performance or even stop the game from running for an incorrect reason.

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The only thing that bugs me are DLC characters. If they were meant to be in the original cut of the game then you should've put them in there. Be it a Day1 release or something like Kasumi who was released months after the game.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 09 février 2012 - 01:38 .


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Homey C-Dawg wrote...

 This excessive DLC trend is so annoying. I hope people get tired of paying $100+ for their video games soon so publishers stop with the nickle-and-diming and get back to a more honest business model.

That's the thing, though, Homey C-Dawg. As you yourself admit in the very next paragraph, "there are a lot of rabid video gamers out there these days" that like this kind of thing and will pay for it. Sure, you can disagree with it and not like it, but you can't tell me that you are authorized to tell other people how to play their game or what to buy or not buy? Or that your preferred way of gamingis somehow objectively better or superior to the way someone else plays the game?

Unfortunately there are a lot of rabid video gamers out there these days who will take it in the behind and ask for more, because VG's are like crack for them. That's the only way it could have gotten this excessive to begin with.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with ignoring all DLC and just playing the base game that comes out of the box. While developers and publishers do like DLC, they can't and don't count on everyone choosing to buy it so the base game still has to be seen to be of value and worth the purchase price.

As much as you might want all the extras, I think that as long as the game out of the box is still significant and can be taken in and of itself, we as a gaming populace are still in a good place. Absent all DLC, if a game gives you a good play experience, has an ending to the story presented in the game, and leaves you satisfied, it should still be considered a decent game. Then, if you really want more out of your game, there's replays or, if you want to spend the money, bonus/extra DLC available to continue or enhance the experience.

that's one way to look at it.

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izmirtheastarach wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Unfortunately there are a lot of rabid video gamers out there these days who will take it in the behind and ask for more, because VG's are like crack for them. That's the only way it could have gotten this excessive to begin with.


This statement made me chuckle. Utterly ridiculous hyperbole, but still.


You haven't been paying much attention then. There are plenty on these very forums. ;)

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PetrySilva wrote...

There will be a time where they will put the ending of a game into a dlc.

"Want to discover how everything ends? Pay and download our content"


That's already happened.  They're called "episodic games".  FFIV: The After Years would be one example.

Correction:  it's called Episode Three.  Damn you Gaaaabe Newelll!!!!


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Stanley Woo wrote...

a agree 100% with the OP, and perhaps this company is the worst of them all in terms of DLC(capcom is bad too)

this [doodly-doo] is killing the industry, one thing is more contend like shadow broker or that shane character in dragon age to stop used games, other is day one DLC and cutting contend from the [gopher-feeding] game

first - shale dlc to stop used games
second - that day one character from da2 and the mercenary from mass effect 2
third - DLC for every thing related to mass effect 3 ( this i dont mind, weapons only and other [pastry])

what next? pre order DLC?

KILLING THE INDUSTRY



:ph34r:[no swearing, please]:ph34r:



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LOOK AT HOW BADLY THE INDUSTRY IS BEING KILLED! IT HAS KILLED IT SO BADLY THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FOOLED INTO ALMOST DOUBLING THE PRE-ORDER NUMBERS! KILLED! DEAD!