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[Mr. Gogeta34]

Hunter of Legends wrote...
I see no issue then.

Loyalty only matters for ME2 as far as I saw.

The issue has always been about having a real choice (one that's truly up in the air regarding which will yield the most favorable outcome) and its resulting consequrence content. 

Renegades don't have to be "always right," but they shouldn't be "always wrong" either.  I wouldn't care if the new Council hated Shepard and appeared/argued with him in a comical way in ME2 before mutually agreeing to stay away from eachother.  That would've been fine.  But to not get equivalent content when there's supposed to be no "punishment" for a choice (and no legitimate reason for them to not be there, given the circumstances)... doesn't really work or make sense.

[arthas999]

Come to think of it bioware did say that it won't be possible to save every one in ME3...so whom can Shephard save and get help from and from whom he can't will depend upon being renegade or paragon and your past decision..I think the biggest problem will come in convincing the Turian bcoz of there past history with humans...then again some rebels under the Archangel will do for me as well

[KotorEffect3]

arthas999 wrote...

Come to think of it bioware did say that it won't be possible to save every one in ME3...so whom can Shephard save and get help from and from whom he can't will depend upon being renegade or paragon and your past decision..I think the biggest problem will come in convincing the Turian bcoz of there past history with humans...then again some rebels under the Archangel will do for me as well

Are they talking about people, civilizations, or both?

[Lotion Soronarr]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Here comes the Cerberus Defense Force.  Might as well say hello to Saphra and gang now.

Shouldn't that be "Renegade Defence Force"? ..

since you know... no one mentioned Cerberus at all...except for you.

It's funny how in an attempt to redicule Cerberus supporters, you actually revealed your own obsession.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 09 février 2012 - 09:22 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Medhia Nox wrote...

The galaxy should have descended into utter anarchy - especially with no real reason (the Reapers) to be unified.

Utter anarchy?
That's what laws of sucession exist.

Would the US crumbe if the president died? No? Then why do you expect the galaxy to crumble because the council dies?

[KotorEffect3]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Here comes the Cerberus Defense Force.  Might as well say hello to Saphra and gang now.

Shouldn't that be "Renegade Defence Force"? ..

since you know... no one mentioned Cerberus at all...except for you.

It's funny how in an attempt to redicule Cerberus supporters, you actually revealed your own obsession.

That came and gone, you are late.

[DJBare]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Are they talking about people, civilizations, or both?

I'm gonna take a wild guess here and say both, I also suspect LI's will be targeted because they will be a weakness Shepard has, unless of course Bioware are going for the true fairy tale ending, which will kinda suck and go against "Lives will be lost and sacrifices made"

[KotorEffect3]

DJBare wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Are they talking about people, civilizations, or both?

I'm gonna take a wild guess here and say both, I also suspect LI's will be targeted because they will be a weakness Shepard has, unless of course Bioware are going for the true fairy tale ending, which will kinda suck and go against "Lives will be lost and sacrifices made"

LI deaths should be possible but preventable.  I honestly don't mind if another virmire like situation comes up and I have to choose between people as long as it is not automaticaly the same person  every time.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 09 février 2012 - 09:38 .

[Fidget6]

 

3. Wrex death will make it harder get krogan on your side.

False. Besides, Wrex's death is not a renegade option, it's a "I didn't level up my Shep's charm/intimidate high enough" option.

[arthas999]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

arthas999 wrote...

Come to think of it bioware did say that it won't be possible to save every one in ME3...so whom can Shephard save and get help from and from whom he can't will depend upon being renegade or paragon and your past decision..I think the biggest problem will come in convincing the Turian bcoz of there past history with humans...then again some rebels under the Archangel will do for me as well

Are they talking about people, civilizations, or both?

Has to be at the civilization level...in a way when some civilizations are lost and Shephard realizes that time is running out will the game become more interesting ...that makes the Reapers also seem like a real threat and not wait for Shephard to assemble the team to attack them ...if Shephard was a total Renegade in earlier game I am sure the Cerberus will come to major aid

[KotorEffect3]

arthas999 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

arthas999 wrote...

Come to think of it bioware did say that it won't be possible to save every one in ME3...so whom can Shephard save and get help from and from whom he can't will depend upon being renegade or paragon and your past decision..I think the biggest problem will come in convincing the Turian bcoz of there past history with humans...then again some rebels under the Archangel will do for me as well

Are they talking about people, civilizations, or both?

Has to be at the civilization level...in a way when some civilizations are lost and Shephard realizes that time is running out will the game become more interesting ...that makes the Reapers also seem like a real threat and not wait for Shephard to assemble the team to attack them ...if Shephard was a total Renegade in earlier game I am sure the Cerberus will come to major aid

I am kind of hoping that even in the best ending the reapers will have done major damage to the galaxy before all is said and done just so they can live up to the name they have built the reapers up as in the first two games.

[Lotion Soronarr]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Here comes the Cerberus Defense Force.  Might as well say hello to Saphra and gang now.

Shouldn't that be "Renegade Defence Force"? ..

since you know... no one mentioned Cerberus at all...except for you.

It's funny how in an attempt to redicule Cerberus supporters, you actually revealed your own obsession.

That came and gone, you are late.

It's never too late to reveal your true bias to everyone.

[Juha81FIN]

Saving/ killing Rachni Queen, council, Wrex and rewriting Geth heretics are just few paragon/ renegade choices among others and they still won't stop getting full paragon/ renegade playthrough. They're one time player decisions.

For example would it be better if there was separate paragon save Rachni Queen, paragon kill Rachni Queen, renegade save Rachni Queen, renegade kill Rachni Queen. How this would make the choice in the end any different from the way it is currently?

[arthas999]

Who knows at the end of the game you might have the option to save the galaxy at the cost of your life...ultimate paragon...or screw your team and let them do the dirty job while you carefully save your skin...ultimate renegade ...trend of DA:origins...Human Revolutions???

[Femlob]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

arthas999 wrote...

Come to think of it bioware did say that it won't be possible to save every one in ME3...so whom can Shephard save and get help from and from whom he can't will depend upon being renegade or paragon and your past decision..I think the biggest problem will come in convincing the Turian bcoz of there past history with humans...then again some rebels under the Archangel will do for me as well

Are they talking about people, civilizations, or both?

That BioWare says you can't save everyone implies that people will die regardless of your choices - be they Paragon or Renegade. For example: Michael Beattie does not reprise his role as Mordin, yet Mordin is a pivotal character in the genophage drama. I haven't read the leaked script, but I learned how to add back in elementary school; the math isn't all that difficult.

As for civilizations, possibly - but that, too, could play out differently from what people suspect. There's exactly zero difference between Paragon and Renegade if there are two civilizations on the brink of extinction while you only have time to save one; no matter what you do, one civilization will be burned down to bedrock.

Modifié par Femlob, 09 février 2012 - 10:09 .

[saturos2]

[quote]arthas999 wrote...

Come to think of it bioware did say that it won't be possible to save every one in ME3.../quote]well they lied. 

[arthas999]

Femlob wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

arthas999 wrote...

Come to think of it bioware did say that it won't be possible to save every one in ME3...so whom can Shephard save and get help from and from whom he can't will depend upon being renegade or paragon and your past decision..I think the biggest problem will come in convincing the Turian bcoz of there past history with humans...then again some rebels under the Archangel will do for me as well

Are they talking about people, civilizations, or both?

That BioWare says you can't save everyone implies that people will die regardless of your choices - be they Paragon or Renegade. For example: Michael Beattie does not reprise his role as Mordin, yet Mordin is a pivotal character in the genophage drama. I haven't read the leaked script, but I learned how to add back in elementary school; the math isn't all that difficult.

As for civilizations, possibly - but that, too, could play out differently from what people suspect. There's exactly zero difference between Paragon and Renegade if there are two civilizations on the brink of extinction while you only have time to save one; no matter what you do, one civilization will be burned down to bedrock.

Well I agree with you whatever you wrote in the last para regarding saving a civilization at cost of another...thats what I also meant.

The paragon renegade thing I wrote was about stories within those civilizations that you saved...like there might be a conflict in the Salarians as to whether the Krogan female is to saved or not...you are paragon and save her and gain support of Mordin mindset like salarians...even if Mordin is dead...or you can deciede not to help her there by having the side of the other Salarian group and go renegade

[Prom001]

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

I just hate how paragon and renegade equate to simply good and evil, it should be more along the lines of the paragon being very conventional and by the books following proceeder ect. Whereas renegade should be more getting the mission done no matter what, be it breaking laws or torturing someone for information. You know, following the actual meaning of the word(s). I hope they scrap ME2 system in which if you didn't go full paragon or full renegade you were screwed, sure ME1's way of doing it wasn't perfect but at least I could have say paragon at 75% and renegade at 100%. That way you could actually respond to a situation properly instead of "I would love to help you, but sadly Im trying to play a renegade character right now and if I do help you I won't be able to stop my petty crew from bickering and they will all die".

this!

[Femlob]

"I would love to help you, but sadly Im trying to play a renegade
character right now and if I do help you I won't be able to stop my
petty crew from bickering and they will all die".

Would be great as an easter egg.

[Poison_Berrie]

The Renegade choices up until now have only lead to some less side-content, than Paragon choices.

I don't really see the big choices all that negativally effecting only one side (renegade). Either both renegade and paragon decision make certain things missions/objectives harder while making other easier or both will effect dialogue.