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[casadechrisso]

Absolutely Awesome!

I mean, I guess we could talk a bit more in detail about the design, but the fact that you actually did that! Yay!

I'm *thinking* maybe a different color to set it more apart from the other sites? I always like switching from the orange FONV to the blue Skyrim, you clearly see you've arrived somewhere else. I think maybe a nicer NWN2 picture (not much to see on that.
What wew need is a quite clear seperation between NWN1 and NWN2 content though... moreso than on the Dragon Age site, because if we really upload a decent percentage from the Vault content it can get quite messy if you can't pick clearly the one of the two you'd like to search files for.

Edit: Just an idea... maybe an earthy, maybe brownish theme? How about the brown/red tone the Vault uses for it's headlines and seperators? Might people make feel more "at home"?

Modifié par casadechrisso, 07 mars 2012 - 03:43 .

[Dark0ne-]

NWN typically has a very blue theme. You're more than welcome to have a go at a background image yourself, it's probably the longest I've ever spent creating a background image because the amount of high-quality source material that works well together for the games is distinctly lacking, so I can't see myself wanting to spend any more time on it.

Before I even contemplate recoding anything (which I haven't done for Morrowind/Oblivion mods or DA/DA2 mods or Witcher/Witcher 2 mods) then I'll need to see the site actually being used.

PS. M&B Nexus recently took the earth colours.

Modifié par Dark0ne-, 07 mars 2012 - 03:56 .

[casadechrisso]

Well, not really recoding, but maybe at least a search filter like the Dragon Age one?

You're right about the blueish NWN box, maybe I'm too much looking at my NWN2 LE box wchich comes as a brownish book box.
As for a background image, maybe we can get some suggestions in here.... what size do you need?

[casadechrisso]

Too bad about M&B taking the lighter earth colors, but what do you think about the color of the flag in the imperium romanum pic? (darker and more reddish brown)? That would go well with the Aribeth Promo Art from NWN1, which might be all we need - we can just alter the logo on the right side to include both NWNs.

I forgot how to include pics here, but here's the example.

[Dark0ne-]

Why exactly is the purplish blue a problem? M&B is beige and brown, Dragon Age is pinkish red and The Witcher is red! We've got lots of Browny/Red going on already at the Nexus!

[casadechrisso]

Edit, meh, sorry, not wanting to start out like a pain in the rump... not my business. :innocent:

Modifié par casadechrisso, 07 mars 2012 - 04:37 .

[Tchos]

casadechrisso wrote...
What we need is a quite clear seperation between NWN1 and NWN2 content though... moreso than on the Dragon Age site, because if we really upload a decent percentage from the Vault content it can get quite messy if you can't pick clearly the one of the two you'd like to search files for.

If you're talking about searches, then under the advanced seach options, for the Witcher you can select to only search for Witcher 1 files or only Witcher 2 files.  Same for Oblivion vs Morrowind.  And of course you can browse by categories, which are separated by game.  So in that sense, the separation will be very much like it is on the Vault.

There's also the very powerful tag search, which I hope people will make useful by adding lots of relevant tags to their files.

Modifié par Tchos, 07 mars 2012 - 04:45 .

[Arkalezth]

Cool! I agree about the clear separation between both NWN games. I don't know what else to say, I'd ideally like things like sub-categories for modules and such, but I don't know if those would be doable. It should be an improvement from the Vault search system either way.

Also, agreed with everything Mokah wrote on the previous page. And to be clear, in case her first point was in part directed to me, that's not what I meant in my post, it was just a response to Kaldor's.

Anyway, glad to see things are going forward. Thanks, Dark0ne!

Modifié par Arkalezth, 07 mars 2012 - 04:52 .

[Dark0ne-]

We're also adding the ability for users to filter out files with specific content tags. So if we put in tags for "Neverwinter Nights" and "Neverwinter Nights 2" then if you're only ever interested in NWN2 files then you simply filter out the other files in your preferences.

[Dark0ne-]

On the note of categories, you guys are much more knowledgeable and aware of what categories are actually needed and I'm open to suggestions.

I tend to like having many concise categories with an average amount of files in each, rather than having fewer but more broad, generalised categories with lots of files in each.

We cannot drill-down in to sub-categories, so it needs to be in the format:

NWN1
- Category
- Category
- Category
...

NWN 2
- Category
- Category
- Category

and not...

NWN 1
- Category
-- Sub-category
---- Sub-sub-category 
-- Sub-category
- Category
- Category
- Category
-- Sub-category
-- Sub-category

NWN 2
- Category
-- Sub-category
---- Sub-sub-category
-- Sub-category
- Category
- Category
- Category
-- Sub-category
-- Sub-category

Modifié par Dark0ne-, 07 mars 2012 - 04:56 .

[Tchos]

I think the Vault categories work well, and would make a good base. Is there anything in here that people in general would like to see changed?

For NWN2:
Characters
Hakpaks : Original
Hakpaks : Combined
Hakpaks : For Modules
Models
Modules : English
Modules : International
Movies
Other
Plug-ins
Portraits
Prefabs : Areas
Prefabs : Blueprints
PWC Files
Scripts
Visual Effects
All Sounds
Textures
Tools
UI

Is the PWC category still used after the autodownloader was added?

For NWN1:
Characters
Creatures
Hakpaks
Models
Modules
Movies
Other
Prefabs
Portraits
Scripts
Sounds
Textures
User Screenshots

There are also a few links under the "categories" section that go to articles to give overview descriptions of certain categories, such as D20 Modern, and provide links to mods that add to that setting which aren't otherwise distinguishable under the broad categories. I recall seeing a system for the TES Nexus where people could contribute articles that could be linked on the main page. Is that function still available?

The lack of subcategories I don't see as a problem, as long as people use tags. If something would fit under multiple categories, users should tag it with as such, so it'll show up in both searches.

[M. Rieder]

Category ideas:

Modules
Pre-Fab areas
Models
Visual Effects
Utilities
Tutorials
UI
Scripts?

You may notice that these categories are similar to the Vault categories. I think they work fairly well.

[MokahTGS]

 I agree with DarkOne about color choice.  NWN has been blueish to purpleish in color scheme, over the years.  Personally I would have made it pink, but that's why I'm not in charge and they take away sharp objects from me at work...hmmm...maybe TMI there.

The catagories are good as listed above.  One of the things that the rest of the nexus sites will have trouble is the terminology that the NWN community uses for some files.  It's not a huge deal, but I expect some confusion when the rest of the nexus community starts looking over stuff on the new nexus site.

Mods - In NWN this is short for "Module" which is a self contained story or adventure.  In everything else, it is short for modification.
Model - Most of the other communities use the term "Mesh" for a model, where the NWN community generally just uses the term model.
HAK - In NWN this is akin to the modification files of other games.  ESP files in TES games.

I know everyone here knows this stuff, but I forsee some confusion down the road and I just encourage everyone to be prepared for a whole new string of "noob" questions when files get uploaded.

NMM intergration would be a huge boon for the NWN community, but in the short term, I encourage patience and understanding from those of us in the know.

Also DarkOne, I would be willing to help supply side images for that page if you give me specs.  Not saying you need the help, just letting you know the offer is there.

Modifié par MokahTGS, 07 mars 2012 - 06:02 .

[Arkalezth]

Ok, yes, I meant sub-categories as in the second quote from DarkOne. I was thinking about modules and PWs, as those could be classified by things like type (action, RP) level range, etc. But it's fine if it can't be done, no big deal, and I guess some things would be hard to classify.

I'm not knowledgeable enough about some category types to know if all of them are necessary, or if some new ones should be added, so I'll leave others to opine on that. But for example, I don't know what's exactly the difference between hakpacks: original, and hakpacks: combined (or hakpaks: for modules, does that even exist in the Vault?).

I would definitely add a PW (not sure what's that C in PWC) category. Most use the autodownloader, but not all, and even if there weren't files to download, it's a good way to find information about them and links to their sites.

Modifié par Arkalezth, 07 mars 2012 - 06:04 .

[MokahTGS]

Is there a better way to highlight PWs with this new site? They aren't static entities, so the current way of rating them really isn't very helpful. Just wondering if we as the community could brainstorm a better way.

I also think that we shouldn't have a separation of NWN 1&2 as far as community presence.  Filtering files, sure, but I think we would benefit by having everyone together for discussion, and community.

Modifié par MokahTGS, 07 mars 2012 - 06:07 .

[Tchos]

MokahTGS wrote...
HAK - In NWN this is akin to the modification files of other games.  ESP files in TES games.

Actually, a .hak is more akin to a .bsa file in the Elder Scrolls games. .bsas are the files that contain additional game resources like models and textures, while .esps contain nothing but instructions.

Modifié par Tchos, 07 mars 2012 - 06:05 .

[casadechrisso]

I'll repost my earlier (deleted) suggestion for a color scheme, just for consideration and a different idea... of course it's not like box art, but anyway... mind you this is just a quick 2-minute Photoshop thing, not of great quality:

dl.dropbox.com/u/2358045/nwnnexus.jpg (with different Logo, no cut arm)

Modifié par casadechrisso, 07 mars 2012 - 06:26 .

[Arkalezth]

About colors: I don't have a very defined preference about which color to use (I personally don't think much of blue, but mostly about the logo's color: black with a bit of blue or purple for NWN, black and orange for NWN2).

But there's one thing I totally dislike: cut drawings. I don't know if you were planning to leave it like that, but what I see here is not the same I see here. It should be changed so the actual Aribeth is seen instead of just an arm and a ****** with the letters "winter ghts". I like the NWN Aribeth image, the NWN2 one, not so much. I found this after a quick search, it's probably not spectacular but I personally prefer it over the current pic on the right.

Edit: I've been told that the cut drawing may be a problem with resolution. I have 1440x900 and can't increase it further.

Modifié par Arkalezth, 07 mars 2012 - 06:56 .

[painofdungeoneternal]

Seems like it's set up for a very large monitor, looks not so good on a laptop sized screen. You should review google analytics or the like to see what monitor resolutions your users are actually using.

[Lugaid of the Red Stripes]

If it's a combined NWN/2 site, you have to go with a Deekin theme, he's the only character that spans both games.

Seriously, though, I would go with the Aribeth pic you got on the left for NWN, and then a Storm of Zehir cover art with the snake and skull for NWN2 on the right. The Aribeth pic is mostly blue with some black and a spot of ochre, while the skull and snake art is mostly black with a bit of blue. Then you could add in the ochre NWN2 eye logo (see Mokah's sig) to counterpoint Aribeth's hair.

In terms of file organization, our modules are little bit more complicated than the usual mods that other games have. With Mount and Blade, for example, I usually pick a mod that suits my play style and stick with it indefinitely, but with NWN2 modules, people download a handful at a time and play through them quickly, and then check for updated files before playing them again. It's more like renting a DVD than tweaking your rig, and requires genre sorting and recommended lists, like Amazon does.

[Arkalezth]

To be clear, this is what I see. I'm not in a laptop, but whatever. Can't it be done so it looks well in several resolutions?

[MokahTGS]

Another reality check for everyone as well. The graphics used in DarkOne's original example most likely were with quick placeholder graphics. I've done that a lot in websites to just get things up and get things placed. The most important thing right now is that this seems to be worked on. I agree that currently, the side graphics don't fit right on my laptop monitor, but let's just wait on that stuff and think through what feedback we can give that covers stuff that DarkOne isn't as familiar.

Are there more categories that should be added? What about a scripting section or tie ins to the NWN wikis?

[slowdive.fan]

Who cares about graphics ;-) j/k
Just get the upload function working already so we can flood the thing with content....what's taking soooo long...sheeessh...are we not paying you enough? <sarcasm off> ;-)

[MokahTGS]

Yeah...it's been like 3 minutes...is it done yet...how about now?





How about now?

[c i p h e r]

I've never used Nexus but just took a look around a moment ago. Can the nexus site present a daily digest of submissions like the vault does on the home page? I find that immensely helpful for "at a glance" browsing.

Maybe I'm just accustomed to the vault, but I find the nexus site itself not as easy to navigate. The categories on nexus are a click away and all one level deep, whereas they were right on home page of the vault and broken down into multiple collapsable levels. Hopefully, this is not a problem for nexus to emulate.

The "hot files" and "latest files" sections just display photos with a one line caption. I have to click on it or the category to read more. These extra clicks make finding stuff more cumbersome. It would be nice to also list author and category of these submissions so folks get a better sense of what they are (mod, script, portrait, news, etc) at a glance.

I didn't look at the nexus content submission tools, but I agree that that is where the vault was absolutely horrible. It would be nice if we could get the front end and back end of the site to be optimal though.

Regarding colors, there's also the green/black theme from SoZ you can consider. EDIT: Or how about gold/black, which doesn't appear to be used on any other nexus site? Just spotted that game icon in Mokah's signature.

Doesn't much matter to me where the content ends up. I'm happy to use either site. Will the forums remain here on bioware or move to nexus too? I'm still somewhat miffed about the fact that bioware refused to dump the original database and now we've lost years worth of posts. It would not have taken much effort for their administrators to dump all that data from the database into a file for the community to preserve.

Modifié par ç i p h é r, 07 mars 2012 - 09:43 .