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[Ricvenart]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Hydralisk wrote...

So you can't just be a total dick without consequences now? Good.

  


It better be the same for paragons as well or this forum will explode in march because us renegade players are sick of Bioware's pathetic paragon backing bull sh*t in ME 1 and 2

You mean like shooting a robot in the head being renegade?
Or using a timed tactical advantage against enemies that clearly won't back down being renegade only so you have an easier fight?
Or only being able to use you're Spectre status as renegade only?

Yeah renegades are so hard done by and should and should not have different results for the different choices they make at the same time. While many lines being renegade are used if you pick the paragon option too.

[BlueMagitek]

See, this is what we get for saving that Consort's reputation. ~_~

Man, I can't imagine the verbal smackdown that poor Lieutenant is going to get from command. Abandoning Shepard in the middle of a mission? Tsk tsk. =D

[Homebound]

this is why i play paragade. renegade cant work 100% of the time.

[incinerator950]

BlueMagitek wrote...

See, this is what we get for saving that Consort's reputation. ~_~

Man, I can't imagine the verbal smackdown that poor Lieutenant is going to get from command. Abandoning Shepard in the middle of a mission? Tsk tsk. =D

I don't blame her.  If anything, I don't even see why she'd follow those Orders, I'm assuming they didn't show the full dialogue.  I'm gonna run that vid through some military friends, I'm expecting a few laughs.

[BlueMagitek]

incinerator950 wrote...

I don't blame her.  If anything, I don't even see why she'd follow those Orders, I'm assuming they didn't show the full dialogue.  I'm gonna run that vid through some military friends, I'm expecting a few laughs.

Well I'd imagine her orders were "hold this area", or something along those lines.  And yes, I can't blame her for wanting her troops to live instead of dying in a hopeless situation.

However, while I can't, the brass can, especially when you're telling what amounts to the government's secret police to go Embrace Eternity themselves.

[incinerator950]

BlueMagitek wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I don't blame her.  If anything, I don't even see why she'd follow those Orders, I'm assuming they didn't show the full dialogue.  I'm gonna run that vid through some military friends, I'm expecting a few laughs.

Well I'd imagine her orders were "hold this area", or something along those lines.  And yes, I can't blame her for wanting her troops to live instead of dying in a hopeless situation.

However, while I can't, the brass can, especially when you're telling what amounts to the government's secret police to go Embrace Eternity themselves.

Don't even know the mission objectives, just a relic in a base or ruin or something. 

[TheBlackBaron]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

This may be true (or may not, depending on what her orders actually are), but...

Frankly, I think it'd be entirely irrelevant to what could have been: Gestapo-Renegade!Shepard shooting defeatism in the face of retreat and putting more fear in the Asari of him than the Reapers.

Sure, put some consequences down the road (less Asari support later), but that'd be a wicked-evil scene.

If they're giving me that option, Dean, I also want to dress Shepard up as a Commissar of the Imperium of Man. 

And in every conversation, there is an option to simply *blam* them. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 10 février 2012 - 06:34 .

[incinerator950]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

This may be true (or may not, depending on what her orders actually are), but...

Frankly, I think it'd be entirely irrelevant to what could have been: Gestapo-Renegade!Shepard shooting defeatism in the face of retreat and putting more fear in the Asari of him than the Reapers.

Sure, put some consequences down the road (less Asari support later), but that'd be a wicked-evil scene.

If they're giving me that option, I also want to dress Shepard up as a Comissar of the Imperium of Man. 

And in every conversation, there is an option to simply *blam* them. 

Commisar Kharne would approve.

[Butcher_of_Torfan]

Everything in lore regarding Asari military units points to them being geared toward mobility, flexibility and maneuver warfare, and a high degree of variance and flexibility in individual unit make ups. Asari commanders probably are given a lot more freedom to make their own judgement calls than more rigid and top heavy human and turian chains of command.

Regardless, heroic last stands and "hold this spot no matter the cost!" speeches make for good dramatic entertainment. They don't make for battlefield victories. If you're about to get over run in a bad spot, getting pounded with superior firepower and taking casualties, you would need a good reason to hunker down and take even more casualties. Recovering a prothean artifact is a good reason. Some government agent who you've seen on the news a few times over the years saying "because i said so!" isn't.

incinerator950 wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...
If they're giving me that option, I also want to dress Shepard up as a Comissar of the Imperium of Man. 

And in every conversation, there is an option to simply *blam* them. 

Commisar Kharne would approve.

Only if i get to trade my omniblade for a chainsword

Modifié par Butcher_of_Torfan, 10 février 2012 - 06:50 .

[SubZeroMaster]

if every time i go renegade an someone tells me no, the reapers are gonns frickin win

[G3rman]

SubZeroMaster wrote...

if every time i go renegade an someone tells me no, the reapers are gonns frickin win

Maybe you shouldn't be a dick all the time and actually read what you are saying.  It helps to be diplomatic to the right people.

[Arppis]

incinerator950 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

The renegade choice seems to have a better outcome.

Exactly, it's just like the Kal Reegar Inversed. 

Except it wasn't difficult to save Reegar even if you let him fight.  Understandable, Paragon clearing the way would make it easy.

Unless you can save the gunships by playing well enough, just like with Reegar.

Because I rather be dick if it means saving those Asari vs having a NO chance of saving them.

Modifié par Arppis, 10 février 2012 - 07:08 .

[G3rman]

jreezy wrote...

Honestly that Renegade option wasn't that dickish. Shepard was just impatient

You can use whatever word you'd like to describe a Renegade's general demeanor but no matter how you argue they come out to be brash, impatient, demanding and straightforward.  In some cases these are good qualities to have depending on who you are talking to but just pressing the "Renegade" option or "Paragon" option without thinking about why you should be talking like that isn't the same as auto-win.

[SubZeroMaster]

G3rman wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Honestly that Renegade option wasn't that dickish. Shepard was just impatient

You can use whatever word you'd like to describe a Renegade's general demeanor but no matter how you argue they come out to be brash, impatient, demanding and straightforward.  In some cases these are good qualities to have depending on who you are talking to but just pressing the "Renegade" option or "Paragon" option without thinking about why you should be talking like that isn't the same as auto-win.

so no renegde, ALL THE TIME, well eff it then, my shepard aint on that ****

[G3rman]

Pure Renagade and Pure Paragon worked in the previous games to be fair to both sides. ME3s system has changed the para/rena system to focus less on conversational outcomes but more on the major decisions and reputations that follow it.

If you continue to play Pure Renegade or Pure Paragon without any thought of what kind of language you should be speaking, the game will actually punish you in some cases. If you don't think that's a good change from the previous games then don't bother with it and continue to play Pure Renegade, see what happens.

It is actually making everything more realistic whether you like it or not.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

daqs wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Order a soldier to do her job and she disobeys.

Tell the soldier that you need an artifact and say "pretty please" and she obeys.

CONSEQUENCES.

Shepard isn't in the asari chain of command. You can't give her orders. And her actual orders from her actual CO almost certainly involve something like "hold this position as long as you can".

This may be true (or may not, depending on what her orders actually are), but...

Frankly, I think it'd be entirely irrelevant to what could have been: Gestapo-Renegade!Shepard shooting defeatism in the face of retreat and putting more fear in the Asari of him than the Reapers.

Sure, put some consequences down the road (less Asari support later), but that'd be a wicked-evil scene.

Everyone fights, no one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you.

[Arppis]

Haha, yeah I like that. Good comedy movie.

Would be funny if someone actualy thought like that.

[TheBlackBaron]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Everyone fights, no one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you.

That movie may be a ****ty and pale interpretation of the novel, but damn Michael Ironside is cool.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 10 février 2012 - 07:58 .

[SirEtchwart]

Arppis wrote...

Haha, yeah I like that. Good comedy movie.

Would be funny if someone actualy thought like that.

[slimgrin]

Gotta be honest here. The whole Renegade/ Paragon mechanic is a cancer that should have been cut out of the ME series. It undermines any sense of moral ambiguity.

[Arppis]

slimgrin wrote...

Gotta be honest here. The whole Renegade/ Paragon mechanic is a cancer that should have been cut out of the ME series. It undermines any sense of moral ambiguity.

QUITE true.

[KamenRiderW]

G3rman wrote...

Pure Renagade and Pure Paragon worked in the previous games to be fair to both sides. ME3s system has changed the para/rena system to focus less on conversational outcomes but more on the major decisions and reputations that follow it.

If you continue to play Pure Renegade or Pure Paragon without any thought of what kind of language you should be speaking, the game will actually punish you in some cases. If you don't think that's a good change from the previous games then don't bother with it and continue to play Pure Renegade, see what happens.

It is actually making everything more realistic whether you like it or not.

Good point. Since I'm a Paragade (but mostly Paragon), I'll have to carefully consider my decisions in ME3 as I would really like to work towards the perfect ending.

Modifié par KamenRiderW, 10 février 2012 - 08:07 .

[Arppis]

KamenRiderW wrote...

G3rman wrote...

Pure Renagade and Pure Paragon worked in the previous games to be fair to both sides. ME3s system has changed the para/rena system to focus less on conversational outcomes but more on the major decisions and reputations that follow it.

If you continue to play Pure Renegade or Pure Paragon without any thought of what kind of language you should be speaking, the game will actually punish you in some cases. If you don't think that's a good change from the previous games then don't bother with it and continue to play Pure Renegade, see what happens.

It is actually making everything more realistic whether you like it or not.

Good point. Since I'm a Paragade (but mostly Paragon), I'll have to carefully consider my decisions in ME3 as I would really like to work towards the perfect ending.

Yep, same here. It is a good change.

I sometimes do renegade sollutions, but mostly Paragon. Because there is no need to be a dick at people unless they really deserve it.

Hearts and minds are never won by bullying. And diplomacy hardly works from gunpoint.

Modifié par Arppis, 10 février 2012 - 08:11 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

SirEtchwart wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Haha, yeah I like that. Good comedy movie.

Would be funny if someone actualy thought like that.

Because god forbid someone from not thinking like you, right?

Let aside a military officer expecting discipline from his men.