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[S.A.K]

This is the best romance in the series. Or its this one.

[Knightly_BW]

CptData wrote...


Exactly. I just see the headbump - which works great for both, if you like. I pretend Shepard and Garrus didn't go any further since we don't know if Turians have similar organs for reproduction. Or do it the same way. ^^

Imagine a chicken you bought from market with Garrus head. Then watch some birds mating. It would give you some idea about what to expect from Turian "romance".*

Tali is worse, she always reminds me that story about a guy who stick his... ummm... thing into a pencil sharpener.

For Salarians you can check frogs or salamander, for Drell see mating snakes (also you can check hemipenes if you want).

I really wonder Krogans. Probably it would be painfull and deadly (if you think about their size and spikes).

So go all Cerberus on your bedroom.

[HK-90210]

I would say the Shepard romance is the worst one.

[JosephDucreux]

The worst romance in ME is probably your left hand.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

i've played ME1 & ME2 through several times just cuz i luv it and i've always picked Liara to romance really just cuz "there's nothin' better" *shrugs shoulders*.... i mean, she was kinda nervous awkward and somewhat "cute" in ME1 so i figured wth i'll go for it she's kinda dull but she IS blue and who the hell else am i gonna go for in ME1 besides her? i mean really *rolls eyes* aaaaaaanyway.......

she went from nervous, awkward and head over heels for shepard to icey-cold and indifferent in ME2.... i mean sheeeesh.... the dialogue between her and shepard makes shepard seem "needy" & "pathetic". it's kinda odd. seriously wtf?

so, after several play throughs i've finally decided on giving her the boot on my main in preparation for ME3. i just finished my "getting ready for ME3" playthrough of ME1and i didnt even go to talk to her phony butt on the ship once.

i guess a romance with Liara is perfect for those who want shepard to be the "b*@#$" of a relationship but to me it is the absolute worst romance of mass effect to date without question.

"not right now Shepard... go wait on the Normandy" *rolls eyes*

how is it NOT the worst romance of mass effect or do people just like crappy relationships in rl or something and think this is normal?

p.s. - asari live for 1000 years. in 2 years Liara's personality is UTTERLY different. how bi-polar is this person anyway? seriously.....  oh and btw.... voice-acting... C- at best! "i am liara. i am a robot. i am reading from a script. beep beep. bop bop" *facepalm*

ME3 will have worse IF they rewrite characters just to conform with SS relationships, that and Morinth, worst "relationship" lol

[LadyJaneGrey]

ALL the romances have sweet moments and face-palm ones. You just have to decide what you're willing to ignore.

[Tropulous]

My favourite romance is deep, meaningful, well paced, had the best scenes, and is the best of all.

Your favourite romance is shallow, or wooden, or rushed, or badly done, and is the worst of all.

[MegaBadExample]

I'd have to say Tali's. It doesn't make sense. Seriously a little magic and suddenly she can live without a suit to have sex with a different species? Not to mention that some Shepard's would actually agree to it, even though it could kill her. Shows how much the guy cares.

Let me be clear. I like Tali, but her romance is just stupid.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 10 février 2012 - 04:06 .

[Xsause]

Asperius wrote...

CptData wrote...


Exactly. I just see the headbump - which works great for both, if you like. I pretend Shepard and Garrus didn't go any further since we don't know if Turians have similar organs for reproduction. Or do it the same way. ^^

Imagine a chicken you bought from market with Garrus head. Then watch some birds mating. It would give you some idea about what to expect from Turian "romance".*

But what about reach and flexibility? 

[Eradyn]

Xsause wrote...

Asperius wrote...

CptData wrote...


Exactly. I just see the headbump - which works great for both, if you like. I pretend Shepard and Garrus didn't go any further since we don't know if Turians have similar organs for reproduction. Or do it the same way. ^^

Imagine a chicken you bought from market with Garrus head. Then watch some birds mating. It would give you some idea about what to expect from Turian "romance".*

But what about reach and flexibility? 

Some avians are well endowed. Just sayin'. And really, "birds" aren't the best analogue for turians. They share some design inspiration, but that's it. Space raptors/dragons might be closer, but even then... And we must not forget...Garrus has an impressive codpiece. It's there for a reason. Let us also not forget Mordin's teasing and advice, Garrus' "reach" and them sharing the intention of going at it. I think we can draw some comfortable conclusions from this...

And none of this is considering the leaked ME3 script.

[PrinceLionheart]

MegaBadExample wrote...

I'd have to say Tali's. It doesn't make sense. Seriously a little magic and suddenly she can live without a suit to have sex with a different species? Not to mention that some Shepard's would actually agree to it, even though it could kill her. Shows how much the guy cares.

Let me be clear. I like Tali, but her romance is just stupid.

AGREED. And it doesn't help that Tali became Liara 2.0 during the entirety of the romance, the blusing innnocent flower who had a hero-crush on Shep.

That said, I don't hate any of the romances. Just not a big fan of Tali's or Jack's. In the latter case, it was horribly rushed, but that was a flaw for all the ME2 romances.

[Xsause]

Eradyn wrote...

Xsause wrote...

Asperius wrote...

CptData wrote...


Exactly. I just see the headbump - which works great for both, if you like. I pretend Shepard and Garrus didn't go any further since we don't know if Turians have similar organs for reproduction. Or do it the same way. ^^

Imagine a chicken you bought from market with Garrus head. Then watch some birds mating. It would give you some idea about what to expect from Turian "romance".*

But what about reach and flexibility? 

And none of this is considering the leaked ME3 script.

[SPOILER]The leaked script implies Garrus and FemShep sleep together.[/END]

[DiosMios]

Romance is subjective. You can examine the characters' motivations for being romantically linked and place criticism there, but only a couple have done that. So far, all of the complaining has been about the nature of the romance, whether it is too affectionate or too distant.

I wasn't expecting anything fantastic from Liara's romance in Mass Effect 1. She was a boring character with wooden voice acting and, like Tali, she served as a walking, talking Codex entry. Nevertheless, she changed. She hardened and let her hair, er, tentacles, down. I'm glad Liara changed in Mass Effect 2 and I don't consider it ungrounded in her character development. Her fixation on Shepard was based on having him as the only person to connect to after decades of isolation, and even if it wasn't a romance, she still had to admire Shepard. Her actions were brash and she suffered from it. Through her self-reliance she made enemies, which gave her a new resolve. Seeing Shepard again was nice, but he was part of another life and she couldn't be with him as she was. Then Lair of the Shader Broker occurred.

I essentially hated Liara in Mass Effect 1, but her character development in Lair of the Shadow Broker solidified her as one of my favorite squadmates. Her romance wasn't quite as conventional as the first game hinted it would be, which will either irritate people or please them. I didn't like her in Mass Effect 1, so I was pleased with the change; you (topic poster) did, so your anger is justifiable. A character you liked changed and you no longer seemed to like her; however, that doesn't make it a bad romance. This would.

[Eradyn]

Xsause

[SPOILER]*snip*[/END]

Yes, indeed. I was just pointing out you didn't really even need the leaked script to put those pieces together. I can imagine, reading over the leaked lines, the devs must have been facepalming hard and trying to find a way to make it clear while staying classy and in-character. For some, of course, nothing short of a full-fledged porno with money shots will suffice in "proving" anything. Garrus just wanted a headbump, Miranda was just looking for a full-body massage, Thane just wanted to share an invigorating philosophical discussion, Jack needed some cuddle therapy, and Shepard was only doing laundry off Jacob's abs. After all, BW faded to black so nothing happened.

[OMTING52601]

My least fav is Ashley, just get so tired of her aliens are weird/creepy/unnatural/evil whatever. Then again, I never cared for the character, which may have something to do with it. Kaidan's is fairly blah too, but they way both of them reacted in their tiny cutscene from ME 2 just ticked me off to no end.

Of the ME 2 scenes, honestly, Tali and Garrus, IMO. I get they were hiding Tali's face, but the whole pre-teen on a first date vibe I got from both of them irked me. The game's rated M, a frakin' kiss isn't too much to ask. Plus, if there'd been some physicality we may not have had to see all the 'they didn't do it' commentary AND the writer's wouldn't have had to 'explain' that yes, indeed, characters did 'do it' in this final chapter of Shep's story. My two cents, FWIW.

[Ricvenart]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

ME3 will have worse IF they rewrite characters just to conform with SS relationships, that and Morinth, worst "relationship" lol

Lol, Conform? Like the whole lets have a f/f blue alien relationship you mean, which exists in the first game?
Rewrite? I'm sorry I didn't realise you wrote the entire character past present and future with thier entire personality explained leaving nothing open. And of course it'd be the first time they've done it too, Liara never changes who she is at all.

Liara is definately the worst, mostly because ontop of everything she's a hypocrite. She says how awful it is to enter a relationship with someone she saved yet expects you to do the same and acts all moody when you resist her, bad enough she keeps invading your head. Dislike alot of them though they all follow the same pattern of resistance then suddenly jumping into bed with shepard at the last minute, in that aspect Tali becomes one of the best as she at least had a good reason for not getting into anything in the first game, she wasn't staying, so she didn't

Modifié par Ricvenart, 10 février 2012 - 09:13 .

[Asari_Party]

Ricvenart wrote...

Liara is definately the worst, mostly because ontop of everything she's a hypocrite. She says how awful it is to enter a relationship with someone she saved yet expects you to do the same and acts all moody when you resist her, bad enough she keeps invading your head. Dislike alot of them though they all follow the same pattern of resistance then suddenly jumping into bed with shepard at the last minute, in that aspect Tali becomes one of the best as she at least had a good reason for not getting into anything in the first game, she wasn't staying, so she didn't

Liara gives Feron some time to recover. While that dismisses an immediate romance, it isn't quite the same as her denying anything will happen in the future (I think it is rather likely, considering her dialogue). There's nothing hypocritical about this at all.

Anyway
best romances: Samara's non-romance
worst romance: Kaiden

[Golden Owl]

CptData wrote...

VS is only the "worst romance" in the game if you dislike some emotions & drama. Easy going romances are nice, but not the stuff people are looking for. Actually, BW tried to make different romances:
Liara's is quite easy and lacks any drama & issues since Liara is devoted to Shepard.
Tali is really cute and fits perfectly the "first love / teenager love" trope. Sweet stuff.
Garrus is a non-physical romance between comrades in arms.
Miranda appears to be a vixen that's difficult to attract but once you got her attention, every outcome is possible: One-night stand to lifelong love.
Jack's romance appears to be the punk love that either can stay "punk" or get fixed to a really romantic love.
Kaidan & Ashley's love are quite similar in the way the female partner does the first steps while the male part is less active. In both cases it's the love of equals and their emotions get loaded by deep love but also deep drama.
Any LI I didn't mention yet: they don't feel similar.

So in short: every romance fits a specific taste. There's no "worst" romance.

I have to disagree with that, in regards to the female LI's anyway (can't speak for the male LI's)...all the female LI's aside from Tali are ruthless or spiteful or both....there's not really much of a difference between them...As for Tali, sweet enough, but eh...my Shep remains alone.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 11 février 2012 - 09:37 .

[CptData]

Golden Owl wrote...

I have to disagree with that, in regards to the female LI's anyway (can't speak for the male LI's)...all the female LI's aside from Tali are ruthless or spiteful or both....there's not really much of a difference between them...As for Tali, sweet enough, but eh...my Shep remains alone.

And I have to disagrree on your disagreeance ^^

Tali is a nice sweet little teen crush - at least if feels like one. It works quite well unless you start thinking about the dangers you put Tali if romanced:
- kissing a girl with virtually no immune system might end her life. She already gets sick when just opening her suit. Kissing her is like applying billions of germs right into her mouth ... yuk
- doing the deed does the same plus the fact of that dextro-stuff.

Just two points why Tali shouldn't get into a physical love. I like her - but couldn't do it with her since it might end her life. Heavy risk, but not worth the prize


Miranda - okay. If you don't like straight forward mature relationships, she's not the one you're looking for. However, beneath her could outside you'll find a woman that's able to fall in love. She's also looking for a real family - something her "father" denied to give her.


Liara - not my type, but I can see why people fall for her. She's cute, a bit awkward but provides some adventures while exploring the relationship with her. Plus: she's from a race of "blue space babes" which don't really age. As I said, she's not my type and I'd rather like to age together with my girl, but hey, it's all about taste. The romance with her is really good.


Jack - not my type. And challenging. It's more or less "fix-the-broken-girl"-relationship - and you might end with her in an interesting relationship. Just keep in mind you could be the guy that showed her "love" for the first time - without sticking something in her. Romantic love, so to speak. That might trigger something in Jack.


Ashley - my fave. Simply my fave. I like the slow build up in ME1 and from what I saw so far, it's going to be really challenging in ME3. She's pretty much like a girl I would go after in R/L, lookwise & characterwise. Therefore she fits best to my Shepards. And unlike Jack & Miranda, don't need something to fix before the romance starts to work the way it should. She's also not like Tali or Liara. Out of the five women, she comes with least issues. Except you dislike her religiosity. But that's something that needs no fixing.

So overall: different tastes get different LIs. Works for me.

[Barquiel]

Golden Owl wrote...

CptData wrote...

VS is only the "worst romance" in the game if you dislike some emotions & drama. Easy going romances are nice, but not the stuff people are looking for. Actually, BW tried to make different romances:
Liara's is quite easy and lacks any drama & issues since Liara is devoted to Shepard.
Tali is really cute and fits perfectly the "first love / teenager love" trope. Sweet stuff.
Garrus is a non-physical romance between comrades in arms.
Miranda appears to be a vixen that's difficult to attract but once you got her attention, every outcome is possible: One-night stand to lifelong love.
Jack's romance appears to be the punk love that either can stay "punk" or get fixed to a really romantic love.
Kaidan & Ashley's love are quite similar in the way the female partner does the first steps while the male part is less active. In both cases it's the love of equals and their emotions get loaded by deep love but also deep drama.
Any LI I didn't mention yet: they don't feel similar.

So in short: every romance fits a specific taste. There's no "worst" romance.

I have to disagree with that, in regards to the female LI's anyway (can't speak for the male LI's)...all the female LI's aside from Tali are ruthless or spiteful or both....there's not really much of a difference between them...As for Tali, sweet enough, but eh...my Shep remains alone.

Garrus - tortures people to death
Thane - mass murderer
Jacob - his AI comment after Tali's recruitment...spiteful!

Seriously, I think Liara's, Ashley's and Jack's romance arcs have very little in common. There are some similarities between Liara (ME2/Lotsb) and Miranda, imo.

[Mechler]

Doesn't matter how you put it. Unless you are a capital a-hole to them, the romance will trigger. Maybe not Ice-queen Lawson but I never liked her. It's a much more complicated process in DA:O and you can get more out of it. Hope if Kasumi becomes an LI it will be done right.

[Golden Owl]

CptData wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

I have to disagree with that, in regards to the female LI's anyway (can't speak for the male LI's)...all the female LI's aside from Tali are ruthless or spiteful or both....there's not really much of a difference between them...As for Tali, sweet enough, but eh...my Shep remains alone.

And I have to disagrree on your disagreeance ^^

Tali is a nice sweet little teen crush - at least if feels like one. It works quite well unless you start thinking about the dangers you put Tali if romanced:
- kissing a girl with virtually no immune system might end her life. She already gets sick when just opening her suit. Kissing her is like applying billions of germs right into her mouth ... yuk
- doing the deed does the same plus the fact of that dextro-stuff.

Just two points why Tali shouldn't get into a physical love. I like her - but couldn't do it with her since it might end her life. Heavy risk, but not worth the prize


Miranda - okay. If you don't like straight forward mature relationships, she's not the one you're looking for. However, beneath her could outside you'll find a woman that's able to fall in love. She's also looking for a real family - something her "father" denied to give her.


Liara - not my type, but I can see why people fall for her. She's cute, a bit awkward but provides some adventures while exploring the relationship with her. Plus: she's from a race of "blue space babes" which don't really age. As I said, she's not my type and I'd rather like to age together with my girl, but hey, it's all about taste. The romance with her is really good.


Jack - not my type. And challenging. It's more or less "fix-the-broken-girl"-relationship - and you might end with her in an interesting relationship. Just keep in mind you could be the guy that showed her "love" for the first time - without sticking something in her. Romantic love, so to speak. That might trigger something in Jack.


Ashley - my fave. Simply my fave. I like the slow build up in ME1 and from what I saw so far, it's going to be really challenging in ME3. She's pretty much like a girl I would go after in R/L, lookwise & characterwise. Therefore she fits best to my Shepards. And unlike Jack & Miranda, don't need something to fix before the romance starts to work the way it should. She's also not like Tali or Liara. Out of the five women, she comes with least issues. Except you dislike her religiosity. But that's something that needs no fixing.

So overall: different tastes get different LIs. Works for me.

Tali: Yup absolutely....The two reasons my Shep won't romance her, as you mention....Endangers her and well she just feels too young in maturity.

Miranda: I love straight forward mature relationships, am in fact in one in RL....but I don't see Miranda as such, aside from the fact that she is ruthless (the major turn off)....My Shep like myself isn't exactly interested in romancing someone he apparently has to fix first.

Liara: The sweet blue school girl in ME1, she and Tali interchangeable....Shep prefers an adult....Then Liara transforms into blue Miranda in ME2...ruthless.

Jack: Read Miranda....their interchangeable.

Ashley: Spiteful and jealous...sorry I see her more as the bridging element between Miranda/Jack/ME2Liara and Tali/ME1Liara, the one who sits between sharing elements of both. As for her religon, yep, I'm not a fan of religon but she doesn't push it, so not a big deal to me....I will say her poetry could have been a bonus, but the VA hadn't received lessons on how to deliver poetry, BW missed a golden opportunity there.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 11 février 2012 - 10:52 .

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Most are pretty bad - Tali, Jacob, and Jack are the standout terrible ones for me. Why? Respectively, "what are you doing she is actually allergic to your dick," the priiiiiizzzeee, and http://www.ferretbra...les/article-563