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[Palidane]

Sure, Jacob isn't the most interesting squadmate, but come on! Jacob is the best soldier on the Normandy!

He is cool, calm, collected, and intelligent. He doesn't have any emotional baggage (Jack), or any other obligations (Samara, Tali). He's a nice guy, who doesn't freak out under fire, and puts his duty ahead of his personal matters. He's the exact kind of person you want on a super dangerous suicide mission! If you set the whole team's skills on an equal playing field, Jacob would be hands-down the best soldier there.

So why does everyone hate on the poor guy?

[AgitatedLemon]

Garrus>Jacob, when it comes to soldiering.

[Python199]

I don't like him because he's so bland ,like inone of my playthroughs he got impailed by a pylon ,and I didn't care unlike some of my other companions ,like Grunt ,he has a future and is a vital role for the krogan species ,but Jacob he's just the seeker foder for me.

[revan11exile]

Great guy great character still don't know why he gets hated on hopefully when Mass 3 comes Bio Ware will fix this issue.

[FFinfinity1]

Jacob will be part of my insignificant playthrough where it like shepard didnt even try to save the galaxy lol He'll be saved along with only jack

[NICKjnp]

It is Femsheps fault actually. She talks like she is in heat and he gets blamed for it.

[ADLegend21]

He doesn't need fixing and tells you to back the heck off if you try.

[Palidane]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Garrus>Jacob, when it comes to soldiering.

Garrus is more or less a loose cannon, depending on what you did in ME1. He will kill innocents to get at someone, he is constantly butting heads with authority, he believes the ends justify the means, and he can get very ruthless and almost cruel if things get to close to him. During his loyalty mission, he was unstable and violent, and I was very concerned for him.

Garrus is a great guy and my second in command. But he is too wild and unrestrained to be a good soldier.

[AgitatedLemon]

Palidane wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Garrus>Jacob, when it comes to soldiering.

Garrus is more or less a loose cannon, depending on what you did in ME1. He will kill innocents to get at someone, he is constantly butting heads with authority, he believes the ends justify the means, and he can get very ruthless and almost cruel if things get to close to him. During his loyalty mission, he was unstable and violent, and I was very concerned for him.

Garrus is a great guy and my second in command. But he is too wild and unrestrained to be a good soldier.

That sometimes happens when your squad of twelve people gets wiped out because one of your own betrayed you.

And he isn't "constantly butting heads with authority", he just disagrees with how they handle things. He didn't blow up the C-Sec office and kill Executor Pallin, he quit his job and turned down a deal to receive Spectre training. He's only "Ends justify the means" up to a certain extent. He isn't needlessly cruel, and he's only hard on people who deserve it (IE scumbag criminals or serial killers). And he's never once killed an innocent, the entire purpose of his squad on Omega was to protect civilians from being harassed and shaken down by gangs and mercs.

He's just a vigilante.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 10 février 2012 - 03:29 .

[TCBC_Freak]

Jealousy mostly. He's the only other person in the ME universe who has ever done anything substantial on his own. Besides Anderson that is. And besides Joker he's only other person we can ever play as. This makes people feel like he's competition for Shep and that he is threatening Garrus and other fav's of the ME world for the spot light they feel those characters deserve (i.e. why doesn't Garrus have his own game, blah, lol).

Don't get me wrong, I love Garrus, and all the characters in their own way. But this is just what I see the main problem being with Jacob for most people. Even though they wont admit it it's there, any one who has even a basic understanding of physiology can see it, lol

I think it sucks that Jacob wont be as big a part of ME3 as he ought to have been because of people's reaction to him.

[AgitatedLemon]

TCBC_Freak wrote...

Jealousy mostly. He's the only other person in the ME universe who has ever done anything substantial on his own. Besides Anderson that is. And besides Joker he's only other person we can ever play as. This makes people feel like he's competition for Shep and that he is threatening Garrus and other fav's of the ME world for the spot light they feel those characters deserve (i.e. why doesn't Garrus have his own game, blah, lol).

Don't get me wrong, I love Garrus, and all the characters in their own way. But this is just what I see the main problem being with Jacob for most people. Even though they wont admit it it's there, any one who has even a basic understanding of physiology can see it, lol

I think it sucks that Jacob wont be as big a part of ME3 as he ought to have been because of people's reaction to him.

Are you sure it isn't just because some people find him nail-on-chalkboard grating and boring?

[gearseffect]

I liked Jacob T. in ME2. I don't know why people hate him really. He seemed like a good man trying to do what's right, he didn't like Cerberus or trust them I don't know why he felt that Cerberus could offer the best chance to do what's right and get it done

When Jacob T. wanted to send Legion out the airlock I agreed with him but Bioware didn't want that. Jacob T. didn't trust Cerberus for the same reasons I hate them.

Only thing I that was dumb was his thoughts on Thane, it was something that seemed more fitting for Zaeed

Modifié par gearseffect, 10 février 2012 - 03:43 .

[Kasen]

I don't really see that much "hate" for Jacob, more apathy. In my opinion, there were just so many other characters in ME2 with more interesting stories (seriously, his loyalty mission was as dull as everything else about him, easily my least favorite of them all), deeper backgrounds and, well.. alien, he just never got a chance to stand out.

[Eradyn]

Yep, it's just apathy. I don't hate Jacob; that requires a strong enough emotional investment and he just never engendered that in me. =/ I do have to say that he helped lead to some awesome internet memes and I did enjoy getting to the "spilling drinks" part of the "relationship." But sheesh, getting to that point was like stepping through a minefield (and I'm not just talkin' femShep's horrifying behavior). Jacob can be downright hostile and standoffish at times, beyond merely "not trying to burden Shepard with his problems."

[Dirgegun]

I don't hate him or like him, he's just... there. I don't feel like my Shepards are any closer to him by the end of the game, despite the spillin' drinks banter.

I think people trying to belittle others by claiming their dislike for a character is just out of jealousy or some such is cheap, though. People are allowed to dislike characters and people are allowed to like them. Why belittle and insult people over it?

I, personally, am not all that fussed over Kaiden. He is another character who is just there to me, and I was personally annoyed how his romance was pushed. Other people love him and his romance. They're allowed to. People are just rubbed the wrong way by different things, or they're attracted to different things. It really is as simple as that.

[Kasen]

Eradyn wrote...

Yep, it's just apathy. I don't hate Jacob; that requires a strong enough emotional investment and he just never engendered that in me. =/ I do have to say that he helped lead to some awesome internet memes and I did enjoy getting to the "spilling drinks" part of the "relationship." But sheesh, getting to that point was like stepping through a minefield (and I'm not just talkin' femShep's horrifying behavior). Jacob can be downright hostile and standoffish at times, beyond merely "not trying to burden Shepard with his problems."

This is a good point as well, wish I'd put it into my post but it didn't come to mind at the moment. I guess that really just goes to show that I just... well, didn't care about him.

[AgitatedLemon]

Kasen13 wrote...

I don't really see that much "hate" for Jacob, more apathy. In my opinion, there were just so many other characters in ME2 with more interesting stories (seriously, his loyalty mission was as dull as everything else about him, easily my least favorite of them all), deeper backgrounds and, well.. alien, he just never got a chance to stand out.

This.

I have yet to see someone HATE him, but I've seen plenty of people who don't care either way about him.

I'm one of those people.

[SgtPepper667]

I don't necessarily hate Jacob, I just find him extremely boring...

I honestly wish we didn't have to recruit him.

[Dirgegun]

Eradyn wrote...

Yep, it's just apathy. I don't hate Jacob; that requires a strong enough emotional investment and he just never engendered that in me. =/ I do have to say that he helped lead to some awesome internet memes and I did enjoy getting to the "spilling drinks" part of the "relationship." But sheesh, getting to that point was like stepping through a minefield (and I'm not just talkin' femShep's horrifying behavior). Jacob can be downright hostile and standoffish at times, beyond merely "not trying to burden Shepard with his problems."

It really did seem like he and Miranda kind of switched personalities when they boarded the Normandy...

Made one of my Shep's feel kind of awkward after she called Miranda a b*tch, because she was suddenly so honest and open when they got to the ship.

[gearseffect]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

TCBC_Freak wrote...

Jealousy mostly. He's the only other person in the ME universe who has ever done anything substantial on his own. Besides Anderson that is. And besides Joker he's only other person we can ever play as. This makes people feel like he's competition for Shep and that he is threatening Garrus and other fav's of the ME world for the spot light they feel those characters deserve (i.e. why doesn't Garrus have his own game, blah, lol).

Don't get me wrong, I love Garrus, and all the characters in their own way. But this is just what I see the main problem being with Jacob for most people. Even though they wont admit it it's there, any one who has even a basic understanding of physiology can see it, lol

I think it sucks that Jacob wont be as big a part of ME3 as he ought to have been because of people's reaction to him.

Are you sure it isn't just because some people find him nail-on-chalkboard grating and boring?

Jacob T. had more personality than Kaidan which isn't much but still.
Jacob T. to me was the voice of reason or something he said what  I felt and thought on things from ME1 and the novels, like Cerberus, Geth, and everything I hated about Council.

He was a thowback or nod to all that.

Now Kaidan um..... yeah I'm coming up empty on him which is why I leave him to die on Virmire,

[S.A.K]

I don't hate him at all. The thing is there is nothing special about him to like.

[Volus Warlord]

He's a square. An empty square. Nothing to identify him, nothing to make him stand out.

[SirEtchwart]

I liked Jacob a lot, actually. I'd love if I could take him up on that offer for beers at the Citadel.

[Eradyn]

Dirgegun wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

Yep, it's just apathy. I don't hate Jacob; that requires a strong enough emotional investment and he just never engendered that in me. =/ I do have to say that he helped lead to some awesome internet memes and I did enjoy getting to the "spilling drinks" part of the "relationship." But sheesh, getting to that point was like stepping through a minefield (and I'm not just talkin' femShep's horrifying behavior). Jacob can be downright hostile and standoffish at times, beyond merely "not trying to burden Shepard with his problems."

It really did seem like he and Miranda kind of switched personalities when they boarded the Normandy...

Made one of my Shep's feel kind of awkward after she called Miranda a b*tch, because she was suddenly so honest and open when they got to the ship.

And you know what? I think that 180 hurt his character's overall popularity.  People were introduced to a completely different Jacob at the start, and then you get on the ship and BAM! I think it threw people off (I know it did for me).  And he never got much of a chance to recover because his character didn't really progress back to that initial point, whereas Miranda's character started at a low point and just progressively improved.  I said it a long while back, but of all the squadmates I think Jacob got the shortest end of the writing stick.

Modifié par Eradyn, 10 février 2012 - 04:01 .

[ODST 3]

He's a good man who goes out of the way to be honest and shield others from harm. He is boring though so I don't know why they felt the need to add the even more boring Vega. Perhaps so that players like me would have a meathead we don't care about to sacrifice to the Reapers.