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[mortons4ck]

Pacifien wrote...

For anyone playing a female Shepard, a lot of the dislike towards Jacob could very well have little to do with him and everything to do with how the voice direction tried to play the dynamic between the two characters. If I can ignore Shepard's coy little "I'm just interesting in talking for a little bit..." and choose my discussion points carefully, I can get a pretty interesting friendship between the two of them. As in the most normal "let's have drinks on the Citadel after work" relationship one can achieve with any of the crew. But getting there is damn hard. Because if I'm not avoiding the relationship angle, I'm avoiding Jacob's tendency to completely shut down if you try to play psychologist to him. Which is what Shepard does to every other squadmate when you think about it, so Jacob is the odd man out where such a tactic will get you burned. I mean, you get further with Jack with that sort of behavior, when I would think that she'd just as easily shut you down the way Jacob does.

Aside from the minefield that is navigating Jacob's dialogue, he is a character that lacks story when I know he is a character that has a story. For this, I blame the iPhone game Mass Effect Galaxy in which he was the main character. Perhaps the writers felt his story was sufficiently told in that game, and so, they didn't need to delve so much into it for Mass Effect 2. Which just goes in my evidence pile for why tie-in literature, DLC, Facebook games, whatever, why they are dangerous ground when it comes to the narrative of what is arguably the main story.

I mean, do people really register the fact that Jacob was on Eden Prime? He and Shepard *never* discuss it. And he gives just about no details on what he did that got him into Cerberus, because that would mean actually giving details on a game that BioWare wants you to play so they would like to be a bit vague rather than SPOILERS!

Every character should have some story to tell, that's what gets the player's interest. Otherwise, Jacob might as well have just been the quartermaster who hangs out in the Armory just as Chakwas hung out in the Medical Bay. I bet you if he had been, people would have loved the character.

*slow clap*

[SamT3N7]

Armass81 wrote...


Except maybe Kaidan... well he's not that popular either... surprised?

Ummmm....

Modifié par SamT3N7, 10 février 2012 - 05:13 .

[AgitatedLemon]

jreezy wrote...

SamT3N7 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...


Except maybe Kaidan... well he's not that popular either... surprised?

Ummmm....

988 pages? Pfft, that's not much at all.

nope

[HAGA NAGA]

Dirgegun wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Heres how an average gamers mind works pretty much:

Jacob

Not a female, no sex appeal points.
Not an alien, no exotic points.
Not a badass(at least not exclaiming one like Zaeed), No badass points.

Total points: 0

Or, you know, maybe the 'average gamer' just has the same issues with Jacob that have been discussed here.

lol

[Palidane]

Thanks for the replies guys, I think I understand why people dislike him more. I agree his character consistency is real shaky and he does seem a little empty at times. I was just getting annoyed when people would say "OMG James Vega is insanely super awesome cool!" and then turn around and say "Jacob is boring, he doesn't have deep seated emotional problems that make him unreliable in a crisis!" I admit he wasn't as interesting as he could be, but the same could be said with Kaidan Alenko and I'm sure with James Vega as well.

[stgrey]

Well, I like him, actually I like every character in ME2. And can't understand why someone would hate him. And also he made me understand why he joined cerberus, so I can't blame him for that. He is a good squadmate.

[SlottsMachine]

You must of missed all the Vega hate from a few months ago. But then we heard him speak and when he said those two little words, we all fell in love.

[Dirgegun]

Palidane wrote...

Thanks for the replies guys, I think I understand why people dislike him more. I agree his character consistency is real shaky and he does seem a little empty at times. I was just getting annoyed when people would say "OMG James Vega is insanely super awesome cool!" and then turn around and say "Jacob is boring, he doesn't have deep seated emotional problems that make him unreliable in a crisis!" I admit he wasn't as interesting as he could be, but the same could be said with Kaidan Alenko and I'm sure with James Vega as well.

To me, Kaidan was another 'there' character but didn't suffer from the inconsistencies Jacob did. That's personal opinion, though, and I certainly wont rag on anyone that liked both characters. The Vega hate/comparisons with other characters does seem terribly out of place, however.... seeing we haven't met Vega yet.  

[Armass81]

Whoa almost 1000 pages, I stand corrected... still Kaidan was called boring before in ME1 and 2's time, just saying.

Modifié par Armass81, 10 février 2012 - 05:54 .

[chothug]

EVERYBODY IS RACIST! (Joking)

Bioware is racist for making Jacob so dull (Half joking)... He's a good, honest soldier... Thats it though.

And those who "hate" him are probably racist (Not joking).

[HiroVoid]

I never got to know him.

Jacob: I used to be a corsair.
Shepard: Awesome. What was that like?
Jacob: Later Shepard.

Jacob: I was on Eden Prime during the Geth attack.
Shepard: Wow. How'd you get through that?
Jacob: Later Shepard.


Jacob: I once took down a Batarian terrorist plot on the Citadel.
Shepard: Must've been a heck of a mission.
Jacob: Yep.
Shepard: ...............
Jacob: Later Shepard.

[SlottsMachine]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

You must of missed all the Vega hate from a few months ago. But then we heard him speak and when he said those two little words, we all fell in love.

Not me.

It was meant in jest. Personally, I'm still 100% neutral until I play the game.

[BlueMagitek]

People care enough about Jacob to hate him?

</jk>

The "problem" was that Jacob was the only crew member who wasn't a total nutcase. While he's a pretty decent guy, that doesn't make him interesting when you have a singing salamander person, an ancient, alien Grey Guard, a biotic experiment gone horribly right, what amounts to Space Punisher, Space Catwoman, etc.

Basically Bioware made everyone else too interesting; poor normal dude can't compete. =D

Now, I like Jacob, he's a pretty decent guy. But I never bring him with me; not because I dislike him, but because either his powers don't fit with the squad makeup I want or because I just prefer the other characters more.

[Han Shot First]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

For me it's that he starts off as a guy you that want to get to know and feels very friendly, revealing that Cerberus revived you and willingness to talk pre-FP. Then on the Normandy when you try to get to know him, your conversations just go nowhere every time. He acts all cool and friendly, but it makes his personality feel disingenuous. And as a party member he's often a grouch, sometimes even stubborn.

Then there are rampant inconsistencies in his character that really make him look like a tool. Saying that the crew needs to be focused for the mission immediately after Horizon, then you have to pry out of him why he left a note with Kelly. Saying how important camaraderie is to a team, then insisting on cutting short every conversation you try to have with him by excusing himself for his mysterious "duties" ... it's almost a bad joke given the game's crappy weapon selection you'd think he'd be working on in the armory.

For a guy who's redeeming quality is "sanity" he is paradoxically the least approachable person on the ship IMO.
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I think this post summarizes the problems with Jacob perfectly.

I don't hate him, I just the way he was written makes him the least interesting member of your squad in Mass Effect 2. I think that is also the case for most fans. It isn't that they *hate* Jacob, its just that he was written in such a way that he is hardly anyone's favorite character.

[chothug]

HiroVoid wrote...

I never got to know him.

Jacob: I used to be a corsair.
Shepard: Awesome. What was that like?
Jacob: Later Shepard.

Jacob: I was on Eden Prime during the Geth attack.
Shepard: Wow. How'd you get through that?
Jacob: Later Shepard.


Jacob: I once took down a Batarian terrorist plot on the Citadel.
Shepard: Must've been a heck of a mission.
Jacob: Yep.
Shepard: ...............
Jacob: Later Shepard.

hahahahah!

[Dirgegun]

chothug wrote...

EVERYBODY IS RACIST! (Joking)

Bioware is racist for making Jacob so dull (Half joking)... He's a good, honest soldier... Thats it though.

And those who "hate" him are probably racist (Not joking).

YOU HUMANS ARE ALL RACIST.

/memethis

Saying that... if the rumour about what's in the leak is true, there might be a lot of new actual Jacob hate.

Modifié par Dirgegun, 10 février 2012 - 06:04 .

[Nonoru]

S.A.K wrote...

I don't hate him at all. The thing is there is nothing special about him to like.

This.And the few discussions you have with him aren't even that interesting.

[G3rman]

He's a shallow character, boring, and I feel bad for all FemShep that choose to romance him because of his terrible reason/dialogue/past and what happens in ME3.

You get the shaft in both games.

[gearseffect]

mortons4ck wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

For anyone playing a female Shepard, a lot of the dislike towards Jacob could very well have little to do with him and everything to do with how the voice direction tried to play the dynamic between the two characters. If I can ignore Shepard's coy little "I'm just interesting in talking for a little bit..." and choose my discussion points carefully, I can get a pretty interesting friendship between the two of them. As in the most normal "let's have drinks on the Citadel after work" relationship one can achieve with any of the crew. But getting there is damn hard. Because if I'm not avoiding the relationship angle, I'm avoiding Jacob's tendency to completely shut down if you try to play psychologist to him. Which is what Shepard does to every other squadmate when you think about it, so Jacob is the odd man out where such a tactic will get you burned. I mean, you get further with Jack with that sort of behavior, when I would think that she'd just as easily shut you down the way Jacob does.

Aside from the minefield that is navigating Jacob's dialogue, he is a character that lacks story when I know he is a character that has a story. For this, I blame the iPhone game Mass Effect Galaxy in which he was the main character. Perhaps the writers felt his story was sufficiently told in that game, and so, they didn't need to delve so much into it for Mass Effect 2. Which just goes in my evidence pile for why tie-in literature, DLC, Facebook games, whatever, why they are dangerous ground when it comes to the narrative of what is arguably the main story.

I mean, do people really register the fact that Jacob was on Eden Prime? He and Shepard *never* discuss it. And he gives just about no details on what he did that got him into Cerberus, because that would mean actually giving details on a game that BioWare wants you to play so they would like to be a bit vague rather than SPOILERS!

Every character should have some story to tell, that's what gets the player's interest. Otherwise, Jacob might as well have just been the quartermaster who hangs out in the Armory just as Chakwas hung out in the Medical Bay. I bet you if he had been, people would have loved the character.

*slow clap*

Agreed.  Would it really have killed Bioware to use some of the story from the Iphone game thing as converstations for the player? Also how many copies of the Iphone game were sold? (or however Bioware keeps track of phone apps).  I don't know anyone who's played that game or bought it. I'm guessing the game didn't sell verry well based off of people's veiw of Jacob.
But it's ok because by Bioware withhold that story from players that will get more  people to buy a game for their Iphone?
I blame it all on the Iphone.
Just like if I end up butthurt becuase some of my favorite characters don't get as much time spen on them in ME3 I'm gonna blame the Multiplayer part of ME3 first then blame the stupid Facebook thing and everything else.
Also I still hate Vega and Snooki Chobot, I'm already feeling butthurt about Kelly Chambers, Jack, Samara, Thane, Kasumi, Gabby & Ken, and almost the whole ME2 cast
 
Also not sure if we get any more time with Hackett but if not much I'm gonna be butthurt over that too.
Also these minor characters best pop up in ME3 Halena Blacke, Fist, Rana Thanaptis, Gianna Parasin, Blassto, Farncis Kitt, Emily Wong, Al-Jalani, Elcor Bouncer at Omega telling the dude "Amused Double It", Amristen Banes, Dr. Macheal, Chorban Salarain Keeper tests, and I got to go back and look for Refund dude, along with any other minor character I may have forgotten to miss.
I'll blame it all on the Multiplayer, Facebook, and Chobot wanting a role and getting it, along with Snooki, and maybe highly likely Vega.

[yoshibb]

I really want to like Jacob, but it's just not there. Like other people have said, I just don't know who he is. He doesn't tell me anything. Why does he hate Thane so much? Why did he join Cerberus? What what was life as a corsiar like?

Heck, what is he even trying to accomplish? It's like he doesn't even have any goals. His suicide mission could've been applied to anyone, it wasn't special to him. He didn't even talk about his family at all.

I don't like playing psychologist all the time, but who is Jacob, really? Not even his romance scene gives us any insight outside of abs and porno lines.

Seriously, what makes Jacob different? What sets him apart? What would make you miss him if he wasn't there? I seriously can't think of anything.

[Ricvenart]

I don't hate him, I just don't like him either.
I felt there was no journey with him, even with the loyalty mission I felt I learnt nothing new about him and there was no change or growth for either of us. Even with a FemShep and getting the "Let's have drinks once it's all over" relationship going with him it still felt no different to the start.
I agree part of that bias may be down to Femsheps lines, you try to talk to him like any other character and you're hitting on him. Although Jack has a simalar issue too and though the loyalty mission she really grew on me, even though she ended up telling me to buzz off because I said I was interested, with no context to what it really meant.
"clearly placed on Shepard's team primarily for stabilizing elements of personality." and the video of him doing sit ups topless don't do much for speaking about his character in LotSB. At best he's bleh, at worst he's cheesy or grumpy over asking how he is.
Then theres the whole, he's a good judge of character and knows if people will fall apart when put under really pressure, yet he pushes you to leave for the reaper IFF asap, even if he thinks all you'll get is burnt.

[gearseffect]

yoshibb wrote...

I really want to like Jacob, but it's just not there. Like other people have said, I just don't know who he is. He doesn't tell me anything. Why does he hate Thane so much? Why did he join Cerberus? What what was life as a corsiar like?

Heck, what is he even trying to accomplish? It's like he doesn't even have any goals. His suicide mission could've been applied to anyone, it wasn't special to him. He didn't even talk about his family at all.

I don't like playing psychologist all the time, but who is Jacob, really? Not even his romance scene gives us any insight outside of abs and porno lines.

Seriously, what makes Jacob different? What sets him apart? What would make you miss him if he wasn't there? I seriously can't think of anything.

I like playing Psychoogist all the time, I enjoy cimbing up into characters heads looking around in there it's something I enjoy. But I can't climb into Jacob T's head becuase I've never played the Iphone game and his ME2 personality is like well it's expected that you played the Iphone game or else he's just a blank person

Wait you romanced Jacob T.?

I romanced Miranda only once the first time I played ME2 and that was because it was a choice my dick made for me. After that I was sick of her. She's not my type her personality bugged me, In real life I'd never spend much time around a chick with a personality like that, just a hit and run.

If Jacob T. wasn't there I'd just feel like he was replaced with another bland dude named Vega,
The reason Jacob T was would be missing is because Kasumi kidnapped and turned him into her personal Sex Slave, I think that's what she did to Kagi Okuda and that was the real story of them

Modifié par gearseffect, 10 février 2012 - 10:53 .