Disclaimer: I don't hate Jacob. However, my problems with him are so numerous that I just decided to mostly avoid his dialogue and not to take him on missions... which almost equals to "hate" while no strong feelings were involved.
His combat abilities
Shotgun wielding squadmates were a problem in ME2 - they tend to get as close as possible to enemy, and only Grunt can survive it. GPS seems to fix this problem with superior damage, but it became available only with Firepower pack... and this was too late. When we got to abilities we initially have pullbot, but after his LM Jacob starts to spam Barrier, which still doesn't make him decent tank but has enormous cooldown. LotSB seems to fix this with point respec terminal, but it was too late again - and LotSB is supposed to be played rather late in game as well.
His tendency to give no explanation
I have hard time remembering what Jacob dialogues are about while potentially it has so many delicious hooks. Maybe you'll explain what moved you, goody-goody soldier, to join terroristic organisation? No answer. Maybe as representative of human biotics you'll tell a story how you got this biotics and what they mean in your life, like all human biotics squadmates do? No answer. Hey Jacob, some words on how you and Miranda saved the council? No answer.
His dislike to chat
Not only he makes "Already? I'm not big on forcing this talks" sound hostile, but it gives no real explanation what else he's going to do. Miranda writes reports, Tali cleans engine, Garrus is calibrating, Jack... is understandable, but Jacob is just "no big on forcing this talks" - "I don't wanna talk" said almost directly. As every potential LI, Jacob has almost nothing to say to "uncorrect" gender, so broShep will hear "Already?" very often, and femShep sounds just terrible around him - not directly Jacob's fault, but still thing which complicates relationships. And when he does talk, the things you discuss is... that Jacob dealt with his problems and doesn't want to discuss this.
Why the Jacob Hate?
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#77
Posté 10 février 2012 - 10:07
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Pretty much this, but if you read the leak you have another reason.HiroVoid wrote...
I never got to know him.
Jacob: I used to be a corsair.
Shepard: Awesome. What was that like?
Jacob: Later Shepard.
Jacob: I was on Eden Prime during the Geth attack.
Shepard: Wow. How'd you get through that?
Jacob: Later Shepard.
Jacob: I once took down a Batarian terrorist plot on the Citadel.
Shepard: Must've been a heck of a mission.
Jacob: Yep.
Shepard: ...............
Jacob: Later Shepard.
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He knocks up his ex-girlfriend... even with a romanced femShep.
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#78
Posté 10 février 2012 - 10:49
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Best thing you can do to Jacob is making his last wish come true. Jacob to the Vents!
That will solve many problems.
If it were up to me, I would shoot him when he tried to threaten/intimidate my Shepard. (On a Renegade convo about Cerberus he says he's watching Shep so he/she better be carefull. Pfft that guy...)
That will solve many problems.
If it were up to me, I would shoot him when he tried to threaten/intimidate my Shepard. (On a Renegade convo about Cerberus he says he's watching Shep so he/she better be carefull. Pfft that guy...)
#79
Posté 10 février 2012 - 10:58
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Didn't care for his "moral" compass attitude, "oh i'm too "badass" to be cerberus, i still have reservations about being here" The fact that hes basically shoved down your neck in cut scenes while on board the Normandy, as if i needed his approval or disapproval for whatever i had done.
He's just a hollow, generic, waste of space and to someone elses opinion, i relished making jacobs last request come true, in the vents.
He's just a hollow, generic, waste of space and to someone elses opinion, i relished making jacobs last request come true, in the vents.
#80
Posté 10 février 2012 - 11:17
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He's annoyingly self-righteous for a Cerberus member. And he keeps dissing the Alliance.
#82
Posté 10 février 2012 - 11:42
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I love Jacob. Actually there isn't anyone on the ME2 squad I don't like.
I never really got the hate for him either.
If I was George Lucas I'd pull the racist card.
I never really got the hate for him either.
If I was George Lucas I'd pull the racist card.
#83
Posté 10 février 2012 - 11:54
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No problems with Jacob here. Still waiting to "get loud" on the Citadel with him.
A drinking minigame perhaps?
A drinking minigame perhaps?
#84
Posté 10 février 2012 - 02:23
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This despite it seeming rather like he does have his own issues, he just has a major complex about anyone trying to fix him, so he seems contrary and irritating in addition to being largely rather boring.ADLegend21 wrote...
He doesn't need fixing and tells you to back the heck off if you try.
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Posté 10 février 2012 - 02:42
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Palidane wrote...
Sure, Jacob isn't the most interesting squadmate, but come on! Jacob is the best soldier on the Normandy!
He is cool, calm, collected, and intelligent. He doesn't have any emotional baggage (Jack), or any other obligations (Samara, Tali). He's a nice guy, who doesn't freak out under fire, and puts his duty ahead of his personal matters. He's the exact kind of person you want on a super dangerous suicide mission! If you set the whole team's skills on an equal playing field, Jacob would be hands-down the best soldier there.
So why does everyone hate on the poor guy?
I agree. He was about the only person on the ground team who was well adjusted and was also trustworthy.
His combat AI has received some justified criticism, but the DLCs have dealt with that. He works well with the GPS. Barrier sucks as a power for him due to the cooldown, but LotSB can fix that. He can be leveled up to squad incendiary ammo very early and can be your pullbot. This makes him literally ideal for fighting Blood Pack mercs. I try to have him leveled to squad incendiary ammo by the time I recruit Archangel. Incendiary ammo is excellent against BP mercs since it defeats armor and health regen, and pull can be used to disable krogan when they get too close.
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#86
Posté 10 février 2012 - 02:50
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Hes a garbage character, bland, and generic. Useless and annoying at best. I intentionally killed him on the suicide mission when he volunteered, I would have shot him in the head at beginning of the game when we were on the Cerberus Station if the choice had presented itself. Although I'm one of the few people who would have executed Miranda too probably, although its questionable there because she did help bring me/you back.
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Posté 10 février 2012 - 04:01
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Palidane wrote...
Sure, Jacob isn't the most interesting squadmate, but come on! Jacob is the best soldier on the Normandy!
He is cool, calm, collected, and intelligent. He doesn't have any emotional baggage (Jack), or any other obligations (Samara, Tali). He's a nice guy, who doesn't freak out under fire, and puts his duty ahead of his personal matters. He's the exact kind of person you want on a super dangerous suicide mission! If you set the whole team's skills on an equal playing field, Jacob would be hands-down the best soldier there.
So why does everyone hate on the poor guy?
That's exactly why.
He's boring.
Calm, level-headed, always-focused-on-the-mission personality is perfect if you're in an actual real-life combat situation.
..as a character in a computer game though? That is boring as all ****.
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Posté 10 février 2012 - 04:37
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He's not boring at all. He's actually quite complex.
He's a hypocrite. He always says one thing and does another.
He pretends to be of high moral character while working for Cerberus. Every time he makes a moral stand it's about some comically trivial issue. One the really big issues he either has no opinion, or advertise for the most absurdly stupid course of action (e.g flush Legion down the airlock).
He pretends to be strong, capable and tough, while in actual combat he is completely useless and dies faster than a slug on a salt pan.
He pretends to be calm and focused, while in fact he has daddy issues just like everyone else on the crew, and he can't even talk about it in a straightforward way which even Jack and Grunt can.
He boorishly insults and affronts other crew members (Thane, Tali), and then five minutes later accuse YOU of being inconsiderate.
I can tolerate any human except a hypocrite. Because hypocrisy like Jacob's is a direct and grevious insult against the intelligence of everyone - you, I, Shepard, and Humanity as a whole.
The only reason I did not kill him in my games is because I do not want him to die as a hero. Because he's the opposite of a hero - a stupid coward capable of nothing but lying to everyone including himself.
He's a hypocrite. He always says one thing and does another.
He pretends to be of high moral character while working for Cerberus. Every time he makes a moral stand it's about some comically trivial issue. One the really big issues he either has no opinion, or advertise for the most absurdly stupid course of action (e.g flush Legion down the airlock).
He pretends to be strong, capable and tough, while in actual combat he is completely useless and dies faster than a slug on a salt pan.
He pretends to be calm and focused, while in fact he has daddy issues just like everyone else on the crew, and he can't even talk about it in a straightforward way which even Jack and Grunt can.
He boorishly insults and affronts other crew members (Thane, Tali), and then five minutes later accuse YOU of being inconsiderate.
I can tolerate any human except a hypocrite. Because hypocrisy like Jacob's is a direct and grevious insult against the intelligence of everyone - you, I, Shepard, and Humanity as a whole.
The only reason I did not kill him in my games is because I do not want him to die as a hero. Because he's the opposite of a hero - a stupid coward capable of nothing but lying to everyone including himself.
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Posté 10 février 2012 - 04:45
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Yeah, well, it's not that odd considering Garrus can *spoiler* What, you thought I would actually spoil something this big? Hohoho, I think not *spoiler* in ME3.AgitatedLemon wrote...
Garrus>Jacob, when it comes to soldiering.
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Posté 10 février 2012 - 05:07
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Jacob suffers from his concept not translating well into a game/narrative.
'The good soldier' is probably the type of individual you would want in your team on a real mission. But it does nothing for him when you think of entertainment value or emotional attachment ot he character.
Also, he starts by being the most levelheaded individual in cerberus, someone Shep can relate too. But then, because squadmates cant go against Shep and Shep cant go against the Illusive Man, he just became some sad yes-man. Past the 2 first convos with him, the morals hed setup for himself pretty much go down the drain.
'The good soldier' is probably the type of individual you would want in your team on a real mission. But it does nothing for him when you think of entertainment value or emotional attachment ot he character.
Also, he starts by being the most levelheaded individual in cerberus, someone Shep can relate too. But then, because squadmates cant go against Shep and Shep cant go against the Illusive Man, he just became some sad yes-man. Past the 2 first convos with him, the morals hed setup for himself pretty much go down the drain.
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Posté 10 février 2012 - 05:23
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He doesn't go mad like the rest of the crew and beg Shepard to save him. The Mary Sue type of Shep are disappointed.
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Posté 10 février 2012 - 06:16
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You hate him just because hid black. This is latent racism. People in western countries can't speak truth without going to prison, so they only may hate character in video game.
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Posté 10 février 2012 - 06:26
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Arcian wrote...
Yeah, well, it's not that odd considering Garrus can *spoiler* What, you thought I would actually spoil something this big? Hohoho, I think not *spoiler* in ME3.AgitatedLemon wrote...
Garrus>Jacob, when it comes to soldiering.
Would people stop posting crap like this? If we wanted to know the spoilers we'd look it up.
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Posté 10 février 2012 - 06:57
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>Guy puts spoiler text on commentGuardianAngel470 wrote...
Arcian wrote...
Yeah, well, it's not that odd considering Garrus can *spoiler* What, you thought I would actually spoil something this big? Hohoho, I think not *spoiler* in ME3.AgitatedLemon wrote...
Garrus>Jacob, when it comes to soldiering.
Would people stop posting crap like this? If we wanted to know the spoilers we'd look it up.
>Turns out the "spoiler" isn't actually a spoiler but a bait-and-switch trolling mine designed to annoy people who can't help themselves from reading spoilers
>Get upset as hell for "getting spoiled" when there is absoluely zero context to anything
>Ruin the joke for everyone else
Stay classy, BSN.
#95
Posté 11 février 2012 - 06:09
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How can people hate someone that doesn't have a personality? I just dislike him because he's incredibly dull and has father issues (after watching evangelion it instantly pisses me off).
#96
Posté 11 février 2012 - 06:11
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Jacob's cool until his mojo scene with femshep. Otherwise I like him.
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Posté 11 février 2012 - 06:19
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The only problem I have with Jacob is he gets a bit cranky. There are several occasions where saying the wrong thing will cause him to yell at you. Other than that he's a cool character.
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Posté 11 février 2012 - 06:41
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Gaidukk wrote...
You hate him just because hid black. This is latent racism. People in western countries can't speak truth without going to prison, so they only may hate character in video game.
Not sure if serious......
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Posté 11 février 2012 - 06:44
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Fidget6 wrote...
The only problem I have with Jacob is he gets a bit cranky. There are several occasions where saying the wrong thing will cause him to yell at you. Other than that he's a cool character.
I hate u cuz ur stupid.....or love u cuz ur an excellent troll.
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Posté 11 février 2012 - 06:48
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No there's only one thing that'l get him to yell.dump you and that's tryig to fix him about his dad. he hates that and he'll let you know, if you do it again, he's done with you personally.Fidget6 wrote...
The only problem I have with Jacob is he gets a bit cranky. There are several occasions where saying the wrong thing will cause him to yell at you. Other than that he's a cool character.
