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[GnusmasTHX]

Imperium Alpha wrote...


We cannot proof that every Cerberus member is highly trained especially if they take the path of war.

Pretty sure we'll be proving the opposite for the majority of ME3.

[knightnblu]

I think you are right about the clones. The level of expertise to bring Shepard back to life would also provide the means to replicate him and would thereby give TIM the shock troops he has been longing for since ME1.

[Dave of Canada]

Indoctrination, it's not like they're working with the Reapers or anything.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 10 février 2012 - 01:10 .

[RocketManSR2]

Remember sea monkeys? Yea, kind of like that.

[chengthao]

lots and lots of sex?

[I-am-Biwinning]

TIM shot a red herring with a Chekhov's Gun, and out popped a MacGuffin.

[Izhalezan]

ctrl c ctrl v

[snfonseka]

ituneuout wrote...

 In the events during Mass Effect 2, Cerberus only had 150 operatives. Now, with all the media released on ME3, we've seen fleets rivaling the alliances fleet's size in ME: Invasion, entire armies attacking shepard, and massive occupation forces on planets! how the heck did TIM get all these men so quick? I mean, they could have built the fleets with private shipwrights on contract, like they did with the Normandy SR2, but an entire army (with training) only months (if that) after the events of Arrival and the Suicide mission? Unlikely.  

There are some explainations though:
-indoctrination/husk-ifying of alliance forces
-cloning (think star wars)
-mercs

It would be interesting to see all the cerberus forces be Shep clones... TIM wanted a backup plan incase the Lazerous project failed.  Its also possible that he indoctrinated or huskified alliance soldiers and stole their ships. this is unlikely though, because the alliance would notice their ships and crews going off the radar.  The other option is he hired them... doubtful as well, as cerberus doesn't like to hire out work (zaeed is the exception).  I honestly think cloning, but thats just my guess... 

What do you guys think? There is more possibilities i know, but i can't think of any right now...

There is another posibility. TIM fed bad intel to EDI, as a plan to hide the true strength from Shep and Alliance.

[Yuri11]

They're husks similar to ones reapers use, you'll find this out on Mars, i've read this somewhere. Makes sense actually considering cerberus interest in studying reapers and those thorian creatures. 

Modifié par Yuri11, 10 février 2012 - 03:05 .

[Mike Shepard]

*ring, ring*

Hello?
Yes. This is the Illusive Man. Congratulations, you have been selected to be an exclusive member of Cerberus
Um I don't want--
Too bad. my men will be there in an hour. pack your bags.
*door blows in*
Oh looks like they're early

Soldier: Hey we're from cerberus. here's this cash prize of 150,000 credits. you also get your own armour set, a nice gun, and access to Cerberus' private war ship.

Oh, fine....


that. many many times. aggressive negotiations, my friend

[Arppis]

Mike Shepard wrote...

*ring, ring*

Hello?
Yes. This is the Illusive Man. Congratulations, you have been selected to be an exclusive member of Cerberus
Um I don't want--
Too bad. my men will be there in an hour. pack your bags.
*door blows in*
Oh looks like they're early

Soldier: Hey we're from cerberus. here's this cash prize of 150,000 credits. you also get your own armour set, a nice gun, and access to Cerberus' private war ship.

Oh, fine....


that. many many times. aggressive negotiations, my friend

I wish it was that hilarious.

[Halo Quea]

snfonseka wrote...

There is another posibility. TIM fed bad intel to EDI, as a plan to hide the true strength from Shep and Alliance.

At first I thought this as well, but it doesn't quite add up.   Blocking EDI from answering questions with false data implies that TIM expected the ship's A.I. to not only override the security blocks put in place,  but ALSO betray Cerberus by revealing all of the organization's secrets and whereabouts.  With those kinds of doubts, why would you install EDI aboard the Normandy at all?

No, we have to face facts..............TIM either had this army when Shepard went through the O4R. OR it's an obvious plot hole.

If there's any sense to this at all, it will be that TIM used Shepard to recon the relay so that he wouldn't have to waste assets and resources IF there had been a Collector fleet or Reaper Armada on the other side. 

Of course this ALSO means that TIM didn't need to spend billions bringing Shepard back to life either.  Shepard spends most of his time playing Dr Phil during ME2.  The SM could have been carried out by any of TIM operatives.  Lawson, Taylor, Zaeed or Leng could have done the O4R mission.

But then again after The Arrival, even the O4R suicide run doesn't make sense anymore either. 

[mitthrawuodo]

Key word: Operative
Though they may have had 150 Mirandas and Jacobs they could easily have a large army in waiting (proof: when you give collector base to TIM those ships must have carried more than 150 men) that did not count as operatives. They could also indoctrinated people and their investors might have large secruity forces which cerberus recruited

[Bad King]

Because the plot demanded it.

[WizenSlinky0]

Free beer

[Luigitornado]

In the latest book it is said that Cerberus was working on pro-Cerberus propaganda. I imagine they are new recruits...or brainwashed(indoctrinated) humans.

[incinerator950]

Luigitornado wrote...

In the latest book it is said that Cerberus was working on pro-Cerberus propaganda. I imagine they are new recruits...or brainwashed(indoctrinated) humans.

Six months is long enough to train recruits into Soldiers, however that's less than basic.  Special Forces can take several times that amount, and we don't know Cerberus training methods.  Their soldiers look disciplined, coordinated, and angry.  
I think we can just leave it as a plot device that fell into the pond.

[Luigitornado]

incinerator950 wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

In the latest book it is said that Cerberus was working on pro-Cerberus propaganda. I imagine they are new recruits...or brainwashed(indoctrinated) humans.

Six months is long enough to train recruits into Soldiers, however that's less than basic.  Special Forces can take several times that amount, and we don't know Cerberus training methods.  Their soldiers look disciplined, coordinated, and angry.  
I think we can just leave it as a plot device that fell into the pond.

"Indoctrinated."

Or Cerberus' own type of indoctrination. 

[Mike Shepard]

Mike Shepard wrote...

*ring, ring*

Hello?
Yes. This is the Illusive Man. Congratulations, you have been selected to be an exclusive member of Cerberus
Um I don't want--
Too bad. my men will be there in an hour. pack your bags.
*door blows in*
Oh looks like they're early

Soldier: Hey we're from cerberus. here's this cash prize of 150,000 credits. you also get your own armour set, a nice gun, and access to Cerberus' private war ship.

Oh, fine....


that. many many times. aggressive negotiations, my friend

addendum to my post:

"oh and um just fair warning...you're probably going to get brain-probed by the reapers, yeah they're pushy that way. And when Shepard shows up...chances are good that he'll badly dismember you. So you might want to say your goodbyes now. But you already signed up so yeah. Too late for you."

[nitefyre410]

My guess is the Cerberus and the Alliance are not as big of enemies as we have been lead to believe but then again that just a guess... could be wrong.

[Hyrist]

Cerberus sent out an internet recruitment add for all those angry at Dragon Age II and those who weren't satisfied with the Leaked Script of ME3.

They promised to let the person who kills Sheppard in the future the exclusive control over the script.

Their numbers now darken the sky of every world.

Modifié par Hyrist, 10 février 2012 - 06:07 .

[snfonseka]

Halo Quea wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

There is another posibility. TIM fed bad intel to EDI, as a plan to hide the true strength from Shep and Alliance.

At first I thought this as well, but it doesn't quite add up.   Blocking EDI from answering questions with false data implies that TIM expected the ship's A.I. to not only override the security blocks put in place,  but ALSO betray Cerberus by revealing all of the organization's secrets and whereabouts.  With those kinds of doubts, why would you install EDI aboard the Normandy at all?

No, we have to face facts..............TIM either had this army when Shepard went through the O4R. OR it's an obvious plot hole.

If there's any sense to this at all, it will be that TIM used Shepard to recon the relay so that he wouldn't have to waste assets and resources IF there had been a Collector fleet or Reaper Armada on the other side. 

Of course this ALSO means that TIM didn't need to spend billions bringing Shepard back to life either.  Shepard spends most of his time playing Dr Phil during ME2.  The SM could have been carried out by any of TIM operatives.  Lawson, Taylor, Zaeed or Leng could have done the O4R mission.

But then again after The Arrival, even the O4R suicide run doesn't make sense anymore either. 

I consider feeding bad intel to EDI is TIMs' secondary plan (consolation prize). I think TIM expected that there is a possibility of Alliance will get hold of EDI and crack the security barrier. If that happens TIM is going to loose both Normandy and EDI but have a chance of providing bad intel to Alliance.