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I'm stunned at these facial animations I'm seeing in the demo and not in a good way


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G3rman wrote...

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I just watched a tiny little bit from those youtube videos and I'll have to HARDLY disagree with the complaints. It's not so bad, it's not nearly as bad as you describe. I'm like "what the hell is wrong with you?" It's like past 2 games. Lack of lyp sinc? Wtf? It's there! English is not my primary language and I can tell they're moving correctly or very close to, to be fine with it when I play.

I don't get the complaints.


I'm pretty sure most of the lip syncing is just the audio being off from uploading it, there is no way BioWare would make a mistake that is so noticeable.

I don't know. I'm not understanding this. I've watched 2 videos, one with a custom femshep and the other with Sheploo and it was fine in both. :huh:

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Odd. The one I was watching it looked off when talking with Anderson and Shep when they were walking together in the beginning.

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rapscallioness wrote...

You know what. I'm wondering now if it's the translation effect. It seems the mouths/lip synching is voicing it in the other language w/ dubbed in english.

Lol I think that's what it is...lol

I feel derpy.

I blame you. Alpha. You lured me right into this abyss!


I drag everybody down the rabbit hole.  No but seriously do you have any idea which language it might be?  Most of the words I can read off the lips seem to be English so the closest I can think of is Spanish if that is indeed the case due to the number of words that are similar in both languages. 

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 11 février 2012 - 03:35 .


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G3rman wrote...

Odd. The one I was watching it looked off when talking with Anderson and Shep when they were walking together in the beginning.

I've skipped the beginning. I watched several different bits of the part involving trial to not get much spoilers and have a good general look on it. I've seen Anderson talking to Shep a little (it was fine), Ashley, Vega, of course Shepard and some of the judges (?). Maybe that one part on the beggining was off, or some others that I didn't watch.

From what I can see, it's fine. I'll get my final judgement on the 14th.

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AlphaJarmel wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

You know what. I'm wondering now if it's the translation effect. It seems the mouths/lip synching is voicing it in the other language w/ dubbed in english.

Lol I think that's what it is...lol

I feel derpy.

I blame you. Alpha. You lured me right into this abyss!


I drag everybody down the rabbit hole.  No but seriously do you have any idea which language it might be?  Most of the words I can read off the lips seem to be English so the closest I can think of is Spanish if that is indeed the case due to the number of words that are similar in both languages. 


Idk wat language it is, but it seems similar to Spanish. It's definitely one of the Romantic languages. The lips move according to the words in the sub titles. Which are something Idk.

He says "Good Luck" and the subs = "buenos Vo.....something". His mouth is moving to the Buenos....etc. So, yeah. that might be what's going on.

And it's okay abt the rabbit hole. BSN wouldn't be any fun w/out the occasional rabbit hole.:wizard:

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I have no idea what the first couple pages of people are talking about. Just watched a Sheploo video of the opening sequence and the facial animations looked pretty good.

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You know what...After watching a few of the videos of the domo footage I think that some of the issues could indeed be due to the difference in the language the "Lip program" is dubbing vs the language that is being heard.

I watched this video, and the English Dubbing and mouth animation seems to be better:

http://www.youtube.c...aekaWw#t=06m05s

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Ajosraa wrote...

You know what...After watching a few of the videos of the domo footage I think that some of the issues could indeed be due to the difference in the language the "Lip program" is dubbing vs the language that is being heard.

I watched this video, and the English Dubbing and mouth animation seems to be better:

http://www.youtube.c...aekaWw#t=06m05s


Thats the one I watched and I thought the facial animations looked great. 

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Statement: It looks bad because it is 7 years old hardware the demo is being played on.

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Well i remember watching the leaked beta videos by various people and it wasn't out of synch like this. Actually none of the other videos/trailers are. After looking at the comments I bet the problem with the synch lies in the upload of the video to youtube.

Edit:  After watching a bit more something appears to be wrong technically.  The computer/graphics card is probably a bit too low since again all the other trailers/videos show banter animations seemlessly and there was no evidence of that stuff in the leaked demo or at conventions.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 11 février 2012 - 04:34 .


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Balek-Vriege wrote...

Well i remember watching the leaked beta videos by various people and it wasn't out of synch like this. Actually none of the other videos/trailers are. After looking at the comments I bet the problem with the synch lies in the upload of the video to youtube.

Edit:  After watching a bit more something appears to be wrong technically.  The computer/graphics card is probably a bit too low since again all the other trailers/videos show banter animations seemlessly and there was no evidence of that stuff in the leaked demo or at conventions.


http://www.youtube.c...SSjJeU#t=08m03s 

Another video.  This time of femshep.  Her response and the lip syncing is again way off.

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 11 février 2012 - 04:35 .


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AlphaJarmel wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Well i remember watching the leaked beta videos by various people and it wasn't out of synch like this. Actually none of the other videos/trailers are. After looking at the comments I bet the problem with the synch lies in the upload of the video to youtube.

Edit:  After watching a bit more something appears to be wrong technically.  The computer/graphics card is probably a bit too low since again all the other trailers/videos show banter animations seemlessly and there was no evidence of that stuff in the leaked demo or at conventions.


http://www.youtube.c...SSjJeU#t=08m03s 

Another video.  This time of femshep.  Her response and the lip syncing is again way off.


That one was much better.  There's only the middle of one line where it is off when I first jump to the video from link.  The "were not ready if they are here" one.  When I rewind a bit more I can't replicate the out of synch.  Actually the same sort of happened with the other video that the more I played it the more things seemed in synch (like my TV when it goes out of synch I just switch between surround/stereo and the sound synchs back up with visuals).

Also the animations are much better in femshep video as well and aren't as blocky.  Anderson's head movements are a bit jittery but mouth movement isn't as fake looking.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 11 février 2012 - 04:47 .


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AlphaJarmel wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Well i remember watching the leaked beta videos by various people and it wasn't out of synch like this. Actually none of the other videos/trailers are. After looking at the comments I bet the problem with the synch lies in the upload of the video to youtube.

Edit:  After watching a bit more something appears to be wrong technically.  The computer/graphics card is probably a bit too low since again all the other trailers/videos show banter animations seemlessly and there was no evidence of that stuff in the leaked demo or at conventions.


http://www.youtube.c...SSjJeU#t=08m03s 

Another video.  This time of femshep.  Her response and the lip syncing is again way off.



Waow, are those really the only female hair options?Image IPB

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Ok I just watched both videos over about 30 mintues.  After watching the dialogue of maleshep/female videos interchangingly, most of the dialogue seems to be in synch. Actually all of it seems to be. The problem seems to be more about the animation at some parts in said dialogue. The most clear mistake is the line everyone is linking to is when the player picks "We should've prepared more." and says "You know we're not ready if it is them, not by a long shot." What's underlined is combined into one continuous lip animation which doesn't look right. It happens in both maleshep and femshep playthroughs, but to a lesser extent with femshep animations. Everything else (that you can see since the camera is moving so fast most of the time) has the right timing, animation and synching.  When you follow the link and are looking for an error, you come across it easily.  When you watch the videos over and over or are not looking for it you don't see it as much.

Another problem is the closeups of maleshep and Anderson having their mouths "twitch" a bit at the sides and don't prenouciate much in long dialogue. Again the more I watch though the less I notice it.  My brain is beginning to play tricks on me.

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BobTheAndroid wrote...

Waow, are those really the only female hair options?Image IPB


Yep it's been confirmed that they had to take way hair options for femshep for memory issues and the fact that they couldn't get most of the hair right.  So you're basically stuck with default femshep hair and small variations on it.

Edit:  A bit off topic, but after viewing the demo a few times did that female officer take a second look at Ash's butt when she walked by?

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Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 11 février 2012 - 05:23 .


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Balek-Vriege wrote...


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BobTheAndroid wrote...

Waow, are those really the only female hair options?Image IPB


Yep it's been confirmed that they had to take way hair options for femshep for memory issues and the fact that they couldn't get most of the hair right.  So you're basically stuck with default femshep hair and small variations on it.


Wait what if you import a femshep?

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Genshie wrote...

Wait what if you import a femshep?


Nope only that and maybe one or two hairstyles...

*cough*

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Balek-Vriege wrote...

Ok I just watched both videos over about 30 mintues.  After watching the dialogue of maleshep/female videos interchangingly, most of the dialogue seems to be in synch. Actually all of it seems to be. The problem seems to be more about the animation at some parts in said dialogue. The most clear mistake is the line everyone is linking to is when the player picks "We should've prepared more." and says "You know we're not ready if it is them, not by a long shot." What's underlined is combined into one continuous lip animation which doesn't look right. It happens in both maleshep and femshep playthroughs, but to a lesser extent with femshep animations. Everything else (that you can see since the camera is moving so fast most of the time) has the right timing, animation and synching.  When you follow the link and are looking for an error, you come across it easily.  When you watch the videos over and over or are not looking for it you don't see it as much.

Another problem is the closeups of maleshep and Anderson having their mouths "twitch" a bit at the sides and don't prenouciate much in long dialogue. Again the more I watch though the less I notice it.  My brain is beginning to play tricks on me.

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BobTheAndroid wrote...

Waow, are those really the only female hair options?Image IPB


Yep it's been confirmed that they had to take way hair options for femshep for memory issues and the fact that they couldn't get most of the hair right.  So you're basically stuck with default femshep hair and small variations on it.


Yes, I was starting to not notice anything the more I watched it. Its like how your Brain autocorrects and fills in the gaps. Like when someone writes something incorrectly but yet you can still make it out.

It could also be that were not used to this new fangled ME3 and its ways;P

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[quote]BobTheAndroid wrote...

Waow, are those really the only female hair options?Image IPB[/quote]

Yep it's been confirmed that they had to take way hair options for femshep for memory issues and the fact that they couldn't get most of the hair right.  So you're basically stuck with default femshep hair and small variations on it.

Edit:  A bit off topic, but after viewing the demo a few times did that female officer take a second look at Ash's butt when she walked by?

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So  it is just for the demo, or that is all the hair styles we will be given in the main game?

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Genshie wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...


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BobTheAndroid wrote...

Waow, are those really the only female hair options?Image IPB


Yep it's been confirmed that they had to take way hair options for femshep for memory issues and the fact that they couldn't get most of the hair right.  So you're basically stuck with default femshep hair and small variations on it.


Wait what if you import a femshep?


lol, he's being sarcastic, mate.

(At least, he better be...)

Modifié par Ohei, 11 février 2012 - 05:34 .


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For me, all the animations seem normal, except for Anderson... He barely moves his face.

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Ajosraa wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Ok I just watched both videos over about 30 mintues.  After watching the dialogue of maleshep/female videos interchangingly, most of the dialogue seems to be in synch. Actually all of it seems to be. The problem seems to be more about the animation at some parts in said dialogue. The most clear mistake is the line everyone is linking to is when the player picks "We should've prepared more." and says "You know we're not ready if it is them, not by a long shot." What's underlined is combined into one continuous lip animation which doesn't look right. It happens in both maleshep and femshep playthroughs, but to a lesser extent with femshep animations. Everything else (that you can see since the camera is moving so fast most of the time) has the right timing, animation and synching.  When you follow the link and are looking for an error, you come across it easily.  When you watch the videos over and over or are not looking for it you don't see it as much.

Another problem is the closeups of maleshep and Anderson having their mouths "twitch" a bit at the sides and don't prenouciate much in long dialogue. Again the more I watch though the less I notice it.  My brain is beginning to play tricks on me.

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BobTheAndroid wrote...

Waow, are those really the only female hair options?Image IPB


Yep it's been confirmed that they had to take way hair options for femshep for memory issues and the fact that they couldn't get most of the hair right.  So you're basically stuck with default femshep hair and small variations on it.


Yes, I was starting to not notice anything the more I watched it. Its like how your Brain autocorrects and fills in the gaps. Like when someone writes something incorrectly but yet you can still make it out.

It could also be that were not used to this new fangled ME3 and its ways;P


Kind of like what I did there lol.  I know you ment more broken english/leet speak etc, but I thought I would just point out one of my own grammar mistakes.
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I think what you say is the case.  We're just not used to the usual ME drawbacks with ME3 improved graphics.  I kind of remember seeing the same problems in ME2 when watching trailers of characters like Miranda but I can't be too sure since it was so long ago.

As a side note just in case someone took me seriously, I was lying about limited hair choice confirmation.

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Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 11 février 2012 - 05:41 .


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Balek-Vriege wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Wait what if you import a femshep?


Nope only that and maybe one or two hairstyles...

*cough*


Oh, God. Oh, God. My Shep had this cute lil short & sassy thing...and now...it's been hijacked to sum cotton candy like dome thing. ...and it's just...

And the pull back ones...omg...

I think I'm gonna cry.

I'm sorry. I know OT. ......I should go....:crying:

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Ohei wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...


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BobTheAndroid wrote...

Waow, are those really the only female hair options?Image IPB


Yep it's been confirmed that they had to take way hair options for femshep for memory issues and the fact that they couldn't get most of the hair right.  So you're basically stuck with default femshep hair and small variations on it.


Wait what if you import a femshep?


lol, he's being sarcastic, mate.

(At least, he better be...)


I saw the hair choices on a youtube vid........

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rapscallioness wrote...

Ohei wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...


Image IPB

BobTheAndroid wrote...

Waow, are those really the only female hair options?Image IPB


Yep it's been confirmed that they had to take way hair options for femshep for memory issues and the fact that they couldn't get most of the hair right.  So you're basically stuck with default femshep hair and small variations on it.


Wait what if you import a femshep?


lol, he's being sarcastic, mate.

(At least, he better be...)


I saw the hair choices on a youtube vid........


Link or it didn't happen. :P

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Agreed. I didn't like it either.