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[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

 Ok let's break it down...

Mordin - Growing old and sorting stuff out between Salarians and Krogan in a further attempt at redemption as he hinted at during ME2

Jack - Sorting her sheet out, which would make sense as far as if you helped her and treated her ok but not otherwise but meh... *shrugs*

Grunt - Well he DID say that IF he got a clan he'd look to go toe to toe with us, so he probably off doing that or being a good Clan Urdnot soldier. Not sure what he'd be doing if he hadn't done the rite of passage though?

Jacob - Ahh Jacob, I should've known your conscience would get the better of you. Obviously CAN'T and wouldn't want to go back to the Alliance and if Shep grounded well guess he off trying to do what he can somewhere else

Miranda - Two variations here but they could easily lead it down the same path in that TIM would probably consider her a loose end and too connected to Shepard so threatens her by looking to pass on the details of Oriana to her dad so... she off protecting Oriana

Samara - She was bound to Shepard for the Suicide Mission, if Paragon she did say she'd come help if needed, if Renegade she said she'd most likely be hunting you down. Then of course there is Samara who wasn't loyal who most likely still hunting her daughter.

Thane - Duh, he's dying... he helped you with the Suicide Mission saving lives, now he gonna spend time with his son and die peacefully... well... till the Reapers come a knocking

Legion - Gathered consensus and now looking to sort out somewhere for the Geth to be as he said in the first conversation you properly had with him.

Zaeed - "Reapers... they're a bit above my paygrade" pretty much his very own words. That and he got paid by Cerberus enough to retire he said and if you helped him deal with Santiago that possibly what he doing or taken another job maybe for one last mission with his beloved Vindicator Rifle.

Kasumi - Got the Greybox? duh she gonna be hiding like she said she would, not got it? Still probably be the same for fear that people will try to get what is inside HER head (remember Keiji's Greybox was connected to hers so technically she still possibly has part of what was in there).

Now... why are Tali and Garrus confirmed, apart from the obvious fan service there is 2 things.

Garrus - Other than going Vigilante someplace again he ain't really got that many other options than to stick it with Shepard

Tali - If you didn't hand evidence in or rallied crowd or picked renegade/paragon option then she got exiled and so she is Tali Vas-Normandy... kinda hard for her to be anywhere else then huh? If you did get her off the hook she most likely candidate for Admiralty as she stated in ME2

Don't like Tali or Garrus? Simple kill them off in ME2 then you don't have to see them again if they irk you that much. Not as if they are hard to kill off during the mission.

[brfritos]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Its high time us Mass Effect 2 fans get the real truth on why the entire Mass Effect 2 squad outside of garrus and Tali are getting a cameo treatment in ME 3 .

I also would like to know how did Garrus and Tali escapet this fate

Yeah, now you know what ME1 fans felt when they saw most of what was in the first game scrapped out and trashed, including the older squadmates.
And of course, the usual reply was it has to be done, among other things.

Now you know what is like.
Hell of a feeling, hun?

And if you really look at it, they are not entirelly "cameos", some of them have entire missions with Shepard, like Grunt and Legion.
Interesting enough since you mentioned, Tali and Garrus are the only ones to participate in the entire trilogy all the time with Shepard.
So if this was a movie the entire fanbase was wrong, the main "actors/actress" are Shepard, Tali and Garrus, not Miranda, Liara, Asheley, Kaydan or whatever. 

This is odd, but at the same time is great. 

[Nerevar-as]

freejaffanation wrote...

I wouldn't mind some official explanation. Right now they're just acting like ME2 was a 30 hour side quest. I think that's much worse than the OP's inflated sense of self entitlement.

It introduced Cerberus, and advanced the genophage and geth plots. However the main quest didn´t advance much of the Reaper plot, we fought the Collectors three times and the main character took a supporting role to a squad most members of aren´t returning in a really significant way (surprised with Miranda here considering her thick plot armor). So I guess ME2 is indeed a sidequest. After ME3 we´ll see if some elements would have worked better if they had been addressed before instead of leaving everything for the end.

[Arkitekt]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Its high time us Mass Effect 2 fans get the real truth on why the entire Mass Effect 2 squad outside of garrus and Tali are getting a cameo treatment in ME 3 .

I'm always amazed at the level of self-entitlement that fans have. It's like a never-ending black hole of sheer egocentrism.

[Alraiis]

If the squad we recruited in ME2 was truly the best in the galaxy, I sure as heck wouldn't want them all on one ship. I'd want them deployed in various locations, leading their own teams. Consolidating all that talent on the Normandy would be a liability and a waste.

Modifié par Alraiis, 10 février 2012 - 11:39 .

[wright1978]

freejaffanation wrote...

Handwaving and contrivance. I sure am glad I got the CE.

Yes what fun. Joke reasons why Tali & Garrus can join. A tiny squad with little variety. Me2 exclusives with contrived sidelined content.

[Alex Arterius]

The issue here isn't "not all characters can have equal screen time" it's an issue of why do me1 charcters take prioity over those in 2. That's anything but even.

Modifié par Alex Arterius, 10 février 2012 - 11:43 .

[NOD-INFORMER37]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Not this sh*t again.

I know, jeezus. x|

[lobi]

Arkitekt wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Its high time us Mass Effect 2 fans get the real truth on why the entire Mass Effect 2 squad outside of garrus and Tali are getting a cameo treatment in ME 3 .

I'm always amazed at the level of self-entitlement that fans have. It's like a never-ending black hole of sheer egocentrism.

Consumerism has new empowerment via the web. We buy their product, we pay their wages. They work for us.
This is why SOPA.

Modifié par lobi, 10 février 2012 - 11:44 .

[Grey34]

have you guys notice the op hasn't return yet? suspicious

[someguy1231]

Fanservice, and you're seriously deluded if you think it's for any other reason.

[Arkitekt]

lobi wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Its high time us Mass Effect 2 fans get the real truth on why the entire Mass Effect 2 squad outside of garrus and Tali are getting a cameo treatment in ME 3 .

I'm always amazed at the level of self-entitlement that fans have. It's like a never-ending black hole of sheer egocentrism.

Consumerism has new empowerment via the web. We buy their product, we pay their wages. They work for us.

And they just go on. It's amazing.

[lobi]

Grey34 wrote...

have you guys notice the op hasn't return yet? suspicious

He is currently busy demanding vodka from people wanting to use the bridge.

[All-a-Mort]

Grey34 wrote...

have you guys notice the op hasn't return yet? suspicious

Don't tempt fate, we were having a perfectly good thread since his original post without any further illiterate pro-Cerberus hissy fits from him.

True enough, ME2 does seem like a filler or side mission. But then most 2nd acts in a trilogy do. It is rare for a plot cycle to advance seamlessly through all three parts without one seeming the lesser. Personally I like seeing ME1 characters return, as we get to see how their characters have evolved in Shepard's absence. ME2's squad served their purpose. Most were basically just mercs, not alliance, not those with a personal stake in the battle. Compare to ME1 squad with Garrus the wannabe Spectre and Shepard's protegé, Liara looking to atone for her mother's sins in supporting Saren, Wrex who goes from dissaffected mercenary to someone with a purpose and plan to save his kind or die in a really good fight, and Tali, who's plot arc with the Geth has become infinitely more complicated since Legion told us that they want only to be left alone and her people seem hell bent on an ill-advised attempt to 'go home'. ME2 seems with hindsight to be more about settting the scene for the continuing role of Cerberus and the importance of TIM as an antagonist, than being about the Collectors and Reapers.

As for the absurd sense of entitlement felt by some, it is as ridiculous and brainless as those who complain about the DLC issue, stating Bioware and EA have 'removed' content from the final product to sell it to us as extras. Bioware is a company, making a product to sell. It's not  a service to give bored kids something to do. They decide where the story goes and which elements to keep or jettison. They haven't betrayed the fans by changing things and frankly the business case for what goes into the product must take precedence over artistic decisions. The product is made to make money, you can hardly blame them for that (unless you are a naive teenager). They decide on what content to include or sell as DLC based on what people will buy in the market. If no-one bought DLC they wouldn't make it. Now that doesn't make all DLC value for money, but then the buyer can decide whether to purchase it or not, after all, as applies to all commerce 'caveat emptor'.

Modifié par All-a-Mort, 11 février 2012 - 12:19 .

[Grey34]

well in trilogies sequels are often fillers really  and is the most difficult to pull off, that's what i think.

Modifié par Grey34, 11 février 2012 - 12:16 .

[Di-Hydrogen-Monoxide]

*sigh*

I'm not normally one to side with the rabid fans on here who feel the need to demand that Bioware add their favourite squad mate/random NPC to the game, but I am disheartened by the squad in ME3. Apart from Garrus and maaaaaybe Liara I'm just not that big a fan of any of the new or recurring squadmates that have been released.

That said I am going to reserve judgment until March, which sorta makes my whole post pointless aha.

[lobi]

I think mass effect series is right on the money so far and look forward to number 3.
I am also happy to see returning squadmates. I am just really glad bioware appreciates fans of the ip.
I will be importing my save games but will also play a non import default game to get a real handle on where the franchaise may go after Shepard.

[Grey34]

i think if someone is going to be obsessed with only one character and nobody else then find out they are not in the squad then your going to be disappointed

[NaastyNZL]

To me it really doesn't matter that much if they're not going to be in your squad or not, as long as they get a fair amount of screen time to please everyone. If not, it'll be a such waste... I've always found the cast in ME2 (Liara and Garrus aswell) to have more personality and are more interesting than the characters in the first.

Modifié par NaastyNZL, 11 février 2012 - 01:40 .

[Khran1505]

Oh gods, how long are people going to get butthurt over these small things? It's already been said from the beginning that in ME3 the squad would be smaller than the 10/12 max squad in ME2, which means a lot of characters won't be permanant squad.

As for cameos, there's a fine line between minor role and cameo. And besides, these guys were originally recruited because of a suicide mission. With that mission over, they can focus more on their own lives. Of course, with the Reapers here, they will help out however they can but they'll always have obligations elsewhere, so they can't be around you 24/7.

Garrus is with you because he's always been with you and has nowhere else to go. Tali is with you because if she got exiled in ME2, it's the same reason as Garrus plus her ship name is now "vas Normandy". If she wasn't exiled, well then it's because she loves being around you.

That and fan service.

Seriously, you guys are getting butthurt over this? Something that has yet to be shown in official in-game footage outside a freaking trailer to get us hyped for the game? Wait till the game is released THEN make your freaking complaints! There's only less than 4 weeks to go anyway, sheesh!

[Butcher_of_Torfan]

Alraiis wrote...

If the squad we recruited in ME2 was truly the best in the galaxy, I sure as heck wouldn't want them all on one ship. I'd want them deployed in various locations, leading their own teams. Consolidating all that talent on the Normandy would be a liability and a waste.

This.  Wrex was one of my favorite videogame sidekicks of all time.  I would have tossed any LI into a pit of hungry varren if it got wrex back in ME2.  I was upsett untill i ran across him, and found out what he was doing.  It makes sense for his character, his story arch and the overall plot to be on tuchanka finally changing and uniting his people.  If he would have thrown all that away to follow a friend on a suicide mission, it would have been some cool fan service at first.  He would have kicked ass, made Grunt look like a punk, said some cool lines and maybe even bitten off somebody's head as a renegade interupt.  But it would have been "unrealistic" in the sense that it would have undone all his character development, conflicted with his goals and personality, and wouldn't have done anything to prepare for the reapers in the long run.  After the "wow, awesome!' factor of the 1st playthrough wore off, I'd be upsett about him being shoehorned in.

Moridins an awesome character.  He's also one of the best scientists in the galaxy, and well past his commando days.  He belongs in a lab, not slogging through the mud trading bullets in a gunfight.  He can do more for the war effort doing what he does best.

Miranda is a powerfull biotic by human standards, and can hold her own in a fight.  But she's nothing special in the ME universe, combat wise.  Her real gifts are organization and intellegence gathering.  She should be doing just that, working behind the scenes, being an "illusive woman,"  not kicking down doors clearing rooms with Shepherd.

ect, ect.

Just because they're not fighting next to Shep in battles doesn't mean they're unimportant to the story or forgotten about

Modifié par Butcher_of_Torfan, 11 février 2012 - 01:28 .

[mereck7980]

I personally don't feel "entitled" to more screen time for the ME2 cast. I do, however, feel disappointed that they have been relegated to cameo status.

The second class status given to them has lowered my enthusiasm a little, but I am still going to buy and will probably really enjoy the game.

[SliPaladin]

Why don't you play the game and find out yourself?

[Biobleh]

The Miranda fans chose to keep their dignity while the Tali fans went under the desk on their knees.

Thats why.

[fivefingaslap18]

Biobleh wrote...

The Miranda fans chose to keep their dignity while the Tali fans went under the desk on their knees.

Thats why.

When someone writes that you know they don't have any respect if they really want to present themselves as the more eloquently spoken supporter of their fanbase.