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[wright1978]

Asenza wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

@above

They took the time to write full dialogue for Garrus and Tali, and they could have died too.

Flawed logic is flawed. and lol @ Tali having a larger role than the other ME2 squadmates.

Agreed.

If ME2 Exclusives + Garrus AND Tali (and Liara) were all given these cameo roles, it wouldn't be so unfair. But it is obviously not equal here.

Yep completely breaking the squad system to force Tali & Garrus coupled with the little effort put into temps as of leak and we have a complete disgrace.

[daftPirate]

The_Monk_Key wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

@above

They took the time to write full dialogue for Garrus and Tali, and they could have died too.

Flawed logic is flawed. and lol @ Tali having a larger role than the other ME2 squadmates.

Of course, but given their big fan base it is more likely that more players allowed them to live after ME2 when compared to other squadmates.

And yeah characters like Miranda, Jacob, Thane, Kasumi, Samara, Zaeed, Jack and Grunt would not have really affected the story of ME3 if they were not present in ME3.

If it's about "affecting the story of ME3," then Miranda and Jacob would be more influential than Tali. The geth v quarian conflict is not the overarching story element of Mass Effect. It may be the broadest in the galaxy, and (arguably) more immediate than the genophage issue, or the rachni 'question', but none can be judged more important than the others. Cereberus, on the other hand, has risen up to threaten the whole galaxy as the Reapers' soldiers. Jacob, and especially Miranda, have deep experience with the organization that the entire galaxy is now at war with. That spells more important than quarian vs geth conflict to me.

[LilyasAvalon]

Characters are judged on how popular they are and/or how vital they are to the story. Characters such as Tali, Garrus and Liara, have much larger fan groups than characters such as Samara or Jacob.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 11 février 2012 - 11:32 .

[daftPirate]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Characters are judged on how popular they are and/or how vital they are to the story. Characters such as Tali, Garrus and Liara, have much larger fan groups than characters such as Samara or Jacob.

Still, having however many more fans does not make a character more relevant to the story.

[Phaedon]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Its high time us Mass Effect 2 fans get the real truth on why the entire Mass Effect 2 squad outside of garrus and Tali are getting a cameo treatment in ME 3 .

I also would like to know how did Garrus and Tali escapet this fate

Every character I like is because they are central to the plot, while every character I dislike is because of fanservice.

Yessireebob!

[LilyasAvalon]

daftPirate wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Characters are judged on how popular they are and/or how vital they are to the story. Characters such as Tali, Garrus and Liara, have much larger fan groups than characters such as Samara or Jacob.

Still, having however many more fans does not make a character more relevant to the story.

I did say 'and/or'. And that fact still really depends on who you ask. For example, I think Garrus fits perfectly in Shepard's squad in the same role as Joker, that he's been there with Shepard through everything.

Bioware is a company, and for a company to get the most revenue, it's smarter for them to appeal to the larger fanbases than the smaller ones. Liara in my opinion had no relevance outside of her inital quest in ME1 and it makes the most sense for her to stay behind as her new role as the Shadow Broker in ME3, but she's still been included for the factor she is popular.

I would like to note that I'm just stating facts. I'm upset as well with how much squadmates have been downplayed as well, especially considering how the entire purpose of ME2 was to build up that squad.

However, it is still just under a month until release, I'm with holding judgement until then.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 11 février 2012 - 11:42 .

[twisty77]

Wow bro. With an attitude like that, they're never going to tell you anything. BioWare owes us nothing. I'd suggest you wait until March 6th to find out.

[Sebbe1337o]

ME1 Squad >>>>>>>> ME2 Squad.


That's why^

[daftPirate]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

daftPirate wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Characters are judged on how popular they are and/or how vital they are to the story. Characters such as Tali, Garrus and Liara, have much larger fan groups than characters such as Samara or Jacob.

Still, having however many more fans does not make a character more relevant to the story.

I did say 'and/or'. And that fact still really depends on who you ask. For example, I think Garrus fits perfectly in Shepard's squad in the same role as Joker, that he's been there with Shepard through everything.

Bioware is a company, and for a company to get the most revenue, it's smarter for them to appeal to the larger fanbases than the smaller ones. Liara in my opinion had no relevance outside of her inital quest in ME1 and it makes the most sense for her to stay behind as her new role as the Shadow Broker in ME3, but she's still been included for the factor she is popular.

A great point, both regarding the nature of Bioware, and Liara, and Garrus for that matter(I, personally, am less concerned with who's a squaddie, than I am with how well every character's story is developed/concluded). Me, I don't mind too much who's in the squad now. I see, for sure, why they couldn't include everyone, and your reasoning makes sense for who they chose.

Lol, I think, for some reason, I just didn't want to see Tali rationalized as "more essential to the story" than other characters...probably because my roommate is an annoying Talimancer (NOT that all Talimancers are annoying, this isn't an attack XD)

I would like to note that I'm just stating facts. I'm upset as well with how much squadmates have been downplayed as well, especially considering how the entire purpose of ME2 was to build up that squad.  

This too. My main concern: closure for both squads from both games.

Modifié par daftPirate, 11 février 2012 - 11:54 .

[CerberusSoldier]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

daftPirate wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Characters are judged on how popular they are and/or how vital they are to the story. Characters such as Tali, Garrus and Liara, have much larger fan groups than characters such as Samara or Jacob.

Still, having however many more fans does not make a character more relevant to the story.

I did say 'and/or'. And that fact still really depends on who you ask. For example, I think Garrus fits perfectly in Shepard's squad in the same role as Joker, that he's been there with Shepard through everything.

Bioware is a company, and for a company to get the most revenue, it's smarter for them to appeal to the larger fanbases than the smaller ones. Liara in my opinion had no relevance outside of her inital quest in ME1 and it makes the most sense for her to stay behind as her new role as the Shadow Broker in ME3, but she's still been included for the factor she is popular.

I would like to note that I'm just stating facts. I'm upset as well with how much squadmates have been downplayed as well, especially considering how the entire purpose of ME2 was to build up that squad.

However, it is still just under a month until release, I'm with holding judgement until then.

  



EA is in business to make video games not pander to 2 characters fan bases with a game . Mass Effect 2 had a great squad and now that is being pissed a way. 

[someguy1231]

Please stop fanwanking your favorite character by claiming they have more fans than another character. Keep in mind BSN as a whole is a tiny fraction of everyone who bought the ME games, so pointing to anything here as "evidence" is incredibly misleading.

In any case, we all know the real reason these characters are appearing: fanservice, plain and simple. Deny it all you want, but remember, fanservice directed at you is still fanservice.

[didymos1120]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

EA is in business to make video games not pander to 2 characters fan bases with a game .

You say that as if those two things are somehow mutually exclusive.

[CerberusSoldier]

yeah Bioware is scared to admit its fan service and also afraid to tell the real truth that Mass Effect 2 was a complete utterly point less side quest .

[CerberusSoldier]

didymos1120 wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

EA is in business to make video games not pander to 2 characters fan bases with a game .

You say that as if those two things are somehow mutually exclusive.

   


EA is in business to make video games simple as that . Bioware on the other hand is clearly in the business of pandering to a character's fans. but guess what if Mass Effect 3 does not sell more than what ME 2 sold does pandering to a character's fan base pay off .  ME 3 might as well be ME 1 in HD with the addition of Earth

[didymos1120]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

yeah Bioware is scared to admit its fan service...

Um, no they're not.  They've said many times that they've thrown stuff in because of fan demand.  Do they use the actual word "fanservice"?  No, but so what?

[Someone With Mass]

ME3 has already sold more than ME2 in terms of pre-orders.

[didymos1120]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

EA is in business to make video games simple as that . Bioware on the other hand is clearly in the business of pandering to a character's fans.

They're the same company, genius.

[All-a-Mort]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

EA is in business to make video games not pander to 2 characters fan bases with a game . Mass Effect 2 had a great squad and now that is being pissed a way. 

Right, so we have established that EA (and of course Bioware) are in business to make video games (the implication being in business to make money from video games). So exactly why do you feel qualified to tell EA and Bioware that they have made a bad commercial decision that will cost them lots of money? Does it not occur to you that they would have looked into the likely financial and sales impact of development and story decisions they made in producing ME3? Somehow I rather think they are in a better position to judge what the majority of the market wants than one embittered fan. Don't like ME3? Don't buy it. And don't bore the rest of us with your infantile whining.

[wright1978]

I find Bioware's gloating over how they abandoned any creative integrity to force Tali onto squad bizarre. Me3 as the final part of a trilogy will sell well of course, long term implications for their reputation are less certain.

[DaJe]

#1 resources
#2 Garrus and Tali have been there from the start and are popular.

The question should be why the new squad member, Vega, is so generic and uninteresting. Yay, another human soldier. That will widen our perspective on the Mass Effect universe for sure!

[didymos1120]

wright1978 wrote...

I find Bioware's gloating over how they abandoned any creative integrity to force Tali onto squad bizarre.

A single post by Priestly saying her popularity was a factor in her being on the squad now constitutes "gloating"?

[Durgon Ironfist]

Again with this? I've seen this thread about 7 times now. I'm sorry you can't have your favorite character, and I'm sorry bioware didn't like your fanficts that you believe to be better than their plot, but I personally welcome the change up.

Every character has an important role in the main plot, many are specific to missions but they will be squadmates. It all makes sense in the grand scheme of things, however many won't like to see the next day. Overall I'm quiet happy with the squad given to us and the roles of our former comrades. Crying about it won't change things at this rate. Also hate to break it to you but Garrus and Tali are genuinely considered to be the two most popular.

[LilyasAvalon]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

EA is in business to make video games not pander to 2 characters fan bases with a game . Mass Effect 2 had a great squad and now that is being pissed a way. 

And the best way to STAY in business is to appeal to the largest audiences you have instead of wasting time on the smaller ones. Also, EA has nothing to DO with the actual making of Bioware games, or at least they shouldn't. EA is there for marketting and funding at best, Bioware has it's own team of developers, writers, programmers, etc.

[Someone With Mass]

wright1978 wrote...

I find Bioware's gloating over how they abandoned any creative integrity to force Tali onto squad bizarre. Me3 as the final part of a trilogy will sell well of course, long term implications for their reputation are less certain.

As opposed to forcing, say...Miranda into the squad?

By the way, Tali and Garrus are pretty important to their respective conflicts.

Most members of the ME2 squad aren't.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 11 février 2012 - 12:37 .

[Durgon Ironfist]

Someone With Mass wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

I find Bioware's gloating over how they abandoned any creative integrity to force Tali onto squad bizarre. Me3 as the final part of a trilogy will sell well of course, long term implications for their reputation are less certain.

As opposed to forcing, say...Miranda into the squad?

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!