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[Beerfish]

I'll repeat, the father is a total idiot. He got his 15 seconds of fame though.

[Il Divo]

Angus Cousland wrote...

 I've lost a lot of respect for some of the people on here. And humanity in general.

Clearly.  

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

chunkyman wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

The iron fist method is arguably just as flawed as the hippie ****** method (I seriously couldn't think of a better way to describe it because people like to put a spin on it), the middleground is fine.

Also by relative standards, although what was done by the father was clearly a making an example of the girl was beyond what would be considered good parenting and not very logical, its still a hell of a lot better than what other people do. Making an example is the whole thing here, and its worked in that respect, many have seen it, and its stimulating discussion.

I think the hippy method is worse than the iron fist method. Every thief and spoiled brat I've known has been the product of either the hippy method or something simaler. Note that I'm not supporting the iron fisted method, it's just that I think the hippy method of little/no real discipline turns children into monsters.

I agree about the middleground. I think there is such a thing as too much discipline and rules, and if people parent that way their kids will grow resentful. Personally, I would rather be err on the side of a bit too strict, because I've seen what a lack of discipline does to people.

For the guy in the video, I think what he did was a little harsh. It was an effective way to teach a lesson, but I think he could have shot a less valuable item instead of the very expenisve laptop. He also should have explained that he did this because he loves his daughter and wants her to grow up to be a good person. Other than that though, I have no problem with what he did.

I generally agree with what was said here, I also note that generally speaking the families where the "tough love" was prominent the children at least from my observeration turned out to be better successes, although this is of course excluding the extremes (excessive violence etc), but thats just my observation and depending on how you interpret tough love its hard to say what works and what doesn't.

[bmwcrazy]

It's just a laptop, people.

Let's just be honest for a second. Everybody wants to do this to their own computer at one point.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

bmwcrazy wrote...

It's just a laptop, people.

Let's just be honest for a second. Everybody wants to do this to their own computer at one point.

Its not uncommon, I've seen 1001 people shoot Xbox 360s...just youtube it. Although the reasoning was slightly different.

[lobi]

Nice to have a job that pays enough that one can afford the occaisonal hissy fit of violence.
Rather than connecting emotionally with a teen he invades her privacy and uses extreme violence.
This is much more than public humiliation as a parenting tool.
He even goes so far as to describe the ammunition used as 'hollow point exploding rounds'.
Is the laptop representative of what? her independence, her friends, her?
Is this his way of saying submit or I will shoot you next?
Hard to believe that this agro little man is getting such support.
So what happens next?

Modifié par lobi, 12 février 2012 - 05:52 .

[William Shakespeare]

lobi wrote...

Nice to have a job that pays enough that one can afford the occaisonal meaningless hissy fit of violence.
Rather than connecting emotionally with a teen he invades her privacy and uses extreme violence.
This is much more than public humiliation as a parenting tool.
He even goes so far as to describe the ammunition used as 'hollow point exploding rounds'.
Is the laptop representative of what? her independence, her friends, her?
Is this his way of saying submit or I will shoot you next?
Hard to believe that this agro little man is getting such support.
So what happens next?

yea, i'm worried for the girl.  her father humiliated her to the world.  i agree with your post. well said.
my father, who raised me by himself, believed in tough love, but he would never do something like this.  i'd usually just get slapped around with a belt, but i thank my dad.  he taught me morals and to this day, i can always trust my dad.

Modifié par William Shakespeare, 12 février 2012 - 05:55 .

[chunkyman]

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

 I'm damn glad with my country's very strict law on the possession of guns in a common household. In fact, such things are forbidden here. 

How does shooting inanimate objects constitute a legitimate reason to ban firearms? He didn't fire his gun off dangerously, and he shot something he paid for on his own property. Questionable parenting aside, he didn't violate any gun laws or any basic tenants of gun safety.

[William Shakespeare]

chunkyman wrote...

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

 I'm damn glad with my country's very strict law on the possession of guns in a common household. In fact, such things are forbidden here. 

How does shooting inanimate objects constitute a legitimate reason to ban firearms? He didn't fire his gun off dangerously, and he shot something he paid for on his own property. Questionable parenting aside, he didn't violate any gun laws or any basic tenants of gun safety.

yea, this has nothing to do with ban firearms.  i actually support firearms, but rednecks usually like showing off guns on youtube.

[android654]

No one thinks it's incredibly moronic to think what he did was a good idea? It has nothing to do with guns, but if it were up to me, it would be a lot more difficult and their would be a serious effort to have them all registered. This has to do with an idiot who thought he could teach his kid a lesson by shooting s**t. That is an adult having a temper tantrum.

[Il Divo]

lobi wrote...

Is this his way of saying submit or I will shoot you next?

 It means "Hey, I worked my ass off to put a computer together for you and you decided to be extremely ungrateful while disrespecting everyone around you, so I'm going to dramatically remove it from your possession". At no point does he imply he is going to shoot his own daughter.  

Modifié par Il Divo, 12 février 2012 - 06:21 .

[ErichHartmann]

Instead of destroying a perfectly good laptop, he should have given it away to someone more deserving.

[slimgrin]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Instead of destroying a perfectly good laptop, he should have given it away to someone more deserving.

That's a good point. Given it to someone who would have appreciated it more.

[BatmanPWNS]

I wonder how this went with the girl? The girl will either grow up to hate her father forever or she will fear him as hell forever.

[lobi]

Il Divo wrote...

lobi wrote...

Is this his way of saying submit or I will shoot you next?

 It means "Hey, I worked my ass off to put a computer together for you and you decided to be extremely ungrateful while disrespecting everyone around you, so I'm going to dramatically remove it from your possession". At no point does he imply he is going to shoot his own daughter.  

His actions are implication enough, the guy is unstable. He needs to be evaluated. Put into a psych centre for assessment. By court order if need be. He is very angry and discharging a firearm to express it. Thats bad, very bad.

Modifié par lobi, 12 février 2012 - 06:57 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I'm the 'Empirical Paradigm' of how being nice parents to arrogant children makes them scumbag.

I don't really have to listen to you idiots who want to raise scumbags, which 80% of them will be like that until their death.
Nuff said.

[Volus Warlord]

Tigerblood and MilkShakes wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Tigerblood and MilkShakes wrote...

please my punishments where far far worse.i laughed my ass off watching this, and honestly if i had to pick a side.i would go with the dad.

Yeah, it could've been a lot worse. Just because he uses a gun to get rid off the daughter's laptop, shouldn't make it in anyway different. It's not like parents haven't done it before or just thrown stuff into trash as punishment. It's still gone. He didn't shoot his daughter, just the darn laptop. And it was -his- laptop anyhow, he had paid for it he can do what the hell he wants with it.

yup, sometimes punishing them durn kids means screwing yourself in the process such is life

Sometimes NOT punishing them means dealing with horrid consequences later in life.

[chunkyman]

Angus Cousland wrote...

Wait a minute, I thought you said you approved of this guy's parenting? Now you're backpedaling and saying his parenting is "questionable"?

Obviously it's questionable. Anyone's parenting methods are questionable. There isn't a definitive way to raise kids that is going to be perfect. I'm not backpedalling in the slightest. If you really think you've identified the perfect way to raise children, you're wrong.



Here's a logical argument for you: Children need stern discipline.

As he stated in the video, he initially grounded her when she posted rants on Facebook the first time. This was mild discipline to show his daughter that she shouldn't do that. This is a logical way to discourage her bad behavior. Clearly the initial disciplinary action did not work, so he went to a harsher form of punishment than grounding.

Humiliation is an effective way to stop bad behavior because humans are social animals and dislike appearing bad to others. It is just like when a parent takes their shoplifting kid back to the store and make them apologize for their theft or spanking a child in front of everyone. These are forms of humiliation that serve to stop the bad behavior. Likewise, humiliating his daughter on Youtube serves the same function as spanking in public or making a kid apoligize to the store. I do not consider humiliating a child that does something bad to be abuse or bad parenting, because humiliation is a temporary feeling that does no harm but teaches a lesson effectively.

Another way to teach a lesson to disobedient children is by removing things they enjoy from their lives. If a child gets bad grades, take his Gameboy away. If a child posts insulting comments on Facebook, take her laptop away. 

This father used a combination of humiliation and taking away her laptop. Now she will think twice before acting rashly and posting disrespectful comments about her parents and family friends. This serves to make her a better person in the long run. Of course she will be pissed off and embarrassed now, but she'll get over it. I do not consider this a bad parenting method.

The only criticism I have is that he should have sold the laptop instead of shot it. He also should have explained that he did all of this because he loves her and wants her to grow up to be a decent human being. I highly doubt he did this for the lulz or to be a petty jerk.



As for the gun safety issue, a bullet hitting a laptop has borderline no chance of ricocheting and injuring someone. The puncturing power of the bullet is massively greater than the strength of the laptop. And he was pointing the gun at the ground when his finger was on the trigger.

Modifié par chunkyman, 12 février 2012 - 09:25 .

[Pacifien]

Angus Cousland wrote...
I am glad the man pulled this stunt in a way, however. It gives me a glimpse into the minds of parents nationwide, and how utterly inept they are at raising children. It's a very sobering fact.

I admire your tendency to judge others entire existence and predict their future by a single act and debate.

[William Shakespeare]

i wouldn't base all southern families on this. I was raised in VA, in a small redneck town. I think the father took it to far, by posting a video on youtube.

i don't like humiliating discipline. My Dad disciplined by the saying "Spare the rod, spoil the child." This puts stress on the daughter, as he attempts to embarrass her socially. I'm not saying the kid is right, but she obviously doesnt have much privacy to let out her emotions. She is from a divorced family, that doesnt help. Why did she make this post? I'm led to believe she was reaching out for help, someone to talk to.

[Volus Warlord]

chunkyman wrote...

Angus Cousland wrote...

Wait a minute, I thought you said you approved of this guy's parenting? Now you're backpedaling and saying his parenting is "questionable"?

Obviously it's questionable. Anyone's parenting methods are questionable. There isn't a definitive way to raise kids that is going to be perfect. I'm not backpedalling in the slightest. If you really think you've identified the perfect way to raise children, you're wrong.



Here's a logical argument for you: Children need stern discipline.

As he stated in the video, he initially grounded her when she posted rants on Facebook the first time. This was mild discipline to show his daughter that she shouldn't do that. This is a logical way to discourage her bad behavior. Clearly the initial disciplinary action did not work, so he went to a harsher form of punishment than grounding.

Humiliation is an effective way to stop bad behavior because humans are social animals and dislike appearing bad to tothers. It is just like when a parent takes their shoplifting kid back to the store and make them apologize for their theft or spanking a child in front of everyone. These are forms of humiliation that serve to stop the bad behavior. Likewise, humiliating his daughter on youtube serves the same function as spanking in public or making a kid apoligize to the store. I do not consider humiliating a child that does something bad to be abuse or bad parenting, because humiliation is a temporary feeling that does no harm but teaches a lesson effectively.

Another way to teach a lesson to disobediant children is by removing things they enjoy from their lives. If a child gets bad grades, take his gameboy away. If a child posts insulting comments on Facebook, take her laptop away. 

This father used a combination of humiliation and taking away her laptop. Now she will think twice before acting rashly and posting disrespectful comments about her parents and family friends. This serves to make her a better person in the long run. Of course she will be pissed off and embarrassed now, but she'll get over it. I do not consider this a bad parenting method.

The only criticism I have is that he should have sold the laptop instead of shot it. He also should have explained that he did all of this because he loves her and wants her to grow up to be a decent human being. I highly doubt he did this for the lulz or to be a petty jerk.



As for the gun safety issue, a bullet hitting a laptop has borderline no chance of ricocheting and injuring someone. The puncturing power of the bullet is massively greater than the stregth of the laptop. And he was pointing the gun at the ground when his finger was on the trigger.

Well CMON man.. hold on, I need to consult my parenting guide..

*lights blunt* *cough*cough* Okay. 

You're supposed to be a pushover for your kids man! It's more important that they like you at any given moment then for you to ensure they grow up to be responsible and capable people! If they are grossly disrespectful to you and to others, that's okay, man *huff*! 

While his actions put no one in danger other than at MOST himself, the whole gun thing was.. uh.. bad for the environemt dude! *pant* Dem laptops have some nasty **** in them! 

Also, because it serves as a convenient rationalization of my worldview, Imma pretend hyperboles don't exist. *sniff* I'll also say that the government should seize the child immediately. Because having that dignified young woman *wheeze* tossed into some random orphanage staffed by registered sex offenders is much, much better than her parents, especially with the dads outburst that is of no threat to anyone. 

Save the girl man! She might be my next groupie! *cough*cough*

[Inquisitor Recon]

Volus Warlord wrote...
Well CMON man.. hold on, I need to consult my parenting guide..

*lights blunt* *cough*cough* Okay. 

You're supposed to be a pushover for your kids man! It's more important that they like you at any given moment then for you to ensure they grow up to be responsible and capable people! If they are grossly disrespectful to you and to others, that's okay, man *huff*! 

While his actions put no one in danger other than at MOST himself, the whole gun thing was.. uh.. bad for the environemt dude! *pant* Dem laptops have some nasty **** in them! 

Also, because it serves as a convenient rationalization of my worldview, Imma pretend hyperboles don't exist. *sniff* I'll also say that the government should seize the child immediately. Because having that dignified young woman *wheeze* tossed into some random orphanage staffed by registered sex offenders is much, much better than her parents, especially with the dads outburst that is of no threat to anyone. 

Save the girl man! She might be my next groupie! *cough*cough*

Plus like, guns are bad dude... like what are we teaching the children man...