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[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Jarrett Lee wrote...

MadLaughter wrote...

I wish Jarrett, or someone like him, was our community manager instead of Priestly.

Aw c'mon, that's not a nice thing to say. Chris is tireless in his devotion to the community. Every time he comes to see me I know he wants me to let him dish on some uber secret information for you guys, and I have to say "no not yet!". Plus he must have the skin of an elephant. Mine is like tissue paper.

I think Chris does pretty well given how much pressure he's under. Moderating this kind of a forum isn't easy. He makes mistakes sometimes, but usually not big ones. Given how much he has to do, it's a wonder he does as well as he does.



As much as I want to play the ME3 demo, I also don't want to deal with "dealing" with Origin. I don't want it on my system for an instant, no matter what protections I can take. As much as I want to play the demo, I don't want to install Origin. So at least I have that going for me? LOL? A four day difference in the demo is not a huge thing, though.

Usually if BioWare does HD textures for PC, they do it as a downloadable. Probably because it won't fit onto the DVDs and they don't want to increase printing costs. That said, I don't think Mass Effect has ever done HD textures for PC, only Dragon Age has done that. Artists work in higher resolution and detail than the final product for scalability purposes, so it's not like they have to do a ton of work.

Integrating DX11 would be too much work, probably.

No controller support is pretty dumb considering how easy it is to do, but I won't cry over it. It's an inferior control type for this game anyway.

Of course, the forced Origin is a HUGE deal to me; enough to cause me to swear off all future EA and BioWare titles (for all platforms) after this one. They can't really pass the blame on this one, either. I don't care if EA tried to strongarm BioWare or not, BioWare should have stood up for us. Even if they remove the Origin requirement later, it's too late for early adopters; our versions will ALWAYS require Origin to be installed.

It is also worth noting that PC DLC from BioWare NEVER goes on sale or lowers in price.

All in all, while I think some issues raised here aren't that big of a deal, there is enough to be concerned about. And even if Jarrett is talking very nicely, the issues are still there.

Modifié par Tony_Knightcrawler, 12 février 2012 - 03:48 .

[Dr.Tobias Funke]

IsaacShep wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

Er, you do realize that ME was originally a Xbox360 exclusive right?

And?

So it makes sense for MS an EA to focus on the platform where they have the largest amount of fans...?

[tangalin]

@Tony
Yeah, I think EA is going to have a bit of a shock coming to them when they realize just having a download service isn't going to let them compete with Steam. Steam has sales ALL THE TIME and I seriously doubt EA will be willing to match that.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Dr.Tobias Funke wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

Er, you do realize that ME was originally a Xbox360 exclusive right?

And?

So it makes sense for MS an EA to focus on the platform where they have the largest amount of fans...?

ME was also for PC, after about a year. And the PC version was improved a bit. Microsoft has a vested interest in PC gaming, as well.

Modifié par Tony_Knightcrawler, 12 février 2012 - 03:50 .

[G0ldmember]

tangalin wrote...

@Tony
Yeah, I think EA is going to have a bit of a shock coming to them when they realize just having a download service isn't going to let them compete with Steam. Steam has sales ALL THE TIME and I seriously doubt EA will be willing to match that.

Origin is here to stay I'm afraid: EA: Origin Has Generated $100 Million in Sales with 9.3M Registered Consumers

[tangalin]

G0ldmember wrote...

tangalin wrote...

@Tony
Yeah, I think EA is going to have a bit of a shock coming to them when they realize just having a download service isn't going to let them compete with Steam. Steam has sales ALL THE TIME and I seriously doubt EA will be willing to match that.

Origin is here to stay I'm afraid: EA: Origin Has Generated $100 Million in Sales with 9.3M Registered Consumers

Oh I'm sure they are stupid enough to keep it around, but that only works out to about $10 per person in sales. With the prices they have, they just won't have the impulse buys that Steam generates with its crazy sales.

[Battlepope190]

Random Geth wrote...

Battlepope190 wrote...

Bioware can deny it all they want, but PS3 owners ARE getting shafted. I mean c'mon, there isn't even a PSN equivalent for the Xbox Avatar junk in the Collector's Edition.

They could at least toss in some themes and PSN avatars, but nope.

Themes and avatars, really?  THESE are deal-breakers?  I don't see why anyone cares about these kinds of things, but maybe I'm in the minority, I don't know.

I'm a PS3 player, and I don't really care.  I don't feel "shafted" or anything like that.  I think the CE is worth what I paid, and as far as the demo goes, no real complaints there either.

It's not a deal breaker by any stretch of the imagination. I just can't understand why they wouldn't offer something to both, since ya know...the game is coming out for both.

[GamerrangerX]

ks_drone wrote...

All we hear is bioware constantly pushing microsoft's kinect whereas most people couldn't care less.

Now exclusive facebook Xbox demo codes, the 360 demo available since the 10th whereas PC and PS3 players have to wait until the 14th.

The PC version looks like another shoddy port, no high-res textures people asked for, no controller support, forced origin etc.

I realise the 360 is the biggest seller but bioware is really screwing PS3 and PC fans.

don't push me to cancel my ME3 CE on PC and im a PC LOYALIST

[devSin]

Zu Long wrote...





O...Okay? I guess?

Don't take it as forcefully as it was delivered.

My point is simply that there is a standard way of doing things for a reason. People use these standards (different people feeling more comfortable with different ones), and that's frankly how they've become standard.

I don't like arguments that "you can just do it this way instead; it's only a little extra work". Sure. But I could also do it the way I do it everywhere else, if only they had chosen to implement it fully.

It may not impact your enjoyment (nor does it truly impact mine), but it doesn't diminish the fact that, e.g., when they chose to support a scrollable interface element (it's a tired example by now, I know) they chose to only allow one type of interaction out of a very reasonable well-established selection (ME already correctly supported at least two, but they chose not to continue doing so in ME2). They know how normal interaction with such an element works (they use it every single day when they use their PC), but they chose to only respect one method.

Is the game ruined if they choose to only support the lowest common forms of interface interaction? Of course not. Would my ability to interact with the game interface be improved (occasionally substantially so) if they supported a more standard range of methods? Absolutely.

There's a reason, when I say I enjoy ME2, I'm not thinking about the interface when I say it. Because it can often be a pain to use, and there's no good reason for that to have been the case. BioWare knows what they're doing. They've implemented game UIs many times in the past, and in the past, they've always honored standard behaviors. They are not incapable of handling this.

And like I think you have argued, they can certainly have an acceptable reason for choosing to not allow standard behaviors. But it simply means that what they do allow is substandard by definition, and where I have a choice, I do not choose the substandard implementation, nor will I simply claim its insignificance simply because I don't care about it. Definitely, there are always more important things to worry about. But you should be arguing with the people worrying about those things, not with my concern that the people responsible for implementing sane interface control do everything within their power to give me the best implementation possible, if you truly don't have issue with it.

[Abirn]

G0ldmember wrote...

tangalin wrote...

@Tony
Yeah, I think EA is going to have a bit of a shock coming to them when they realize just having a download service isn't going to let them compete with Steam. Steam has sales ALL THE TIME and I seriously doubt EA will be willing to match that.

Origin is here to stay I'm afraid: EA: Origin Has Generated $100 Million in Sales with 9.3M Registered Consumers

Out of curiosity how much of that is a result of consumer choice vs how much is coercion of being forced to use Origin.

[G0ldmember]

Abirn wrote...

Out of curiosity how much of that is a result of consumer choice vs how much is coercion of being forced to use Origin.

Ehm...99%? But to be fair, Steam used the same method when they started 9 years ago.

[devSin]

Abirn wrote...

Out of curiosity how much of that is a result of consumer choice vs how much is coercion of being forced to use Origin.

Does it really matter? 30% of $100M is a crapload of money to hand over to Valve when you prove you don't have to.

Get it however you can, especially when you get to keep all of it.

Modifié par devSin, 12 février 2012 - 04:57 .

[Bleachrude]

So why no complaints to Sony then?

As most people point out, EA is all about the moolah so EA (and thus Bioware) are not going to do stuff out of the goodness of their hearts unless they see it reflected on their bottom line.

Given that MS has a history of ponying up cash for timed exclusives/incentives, it's kind of obvious that MS did the same thing here (especially given that 2012 looks like the weakest year ever for xbox360 exclusives...they got MAYBE Halo 4 in terms of well known properties and that's it).

Why not ask Sony why they aren't putting up cash for their machine...We've seen a fair number of ads/incentives for MS xbox360 version of ME3, but has Sony done anything similar?

[razgriz21]

Don't care anymore.

As long as my system preference (PS3) gets an equal game, I'm happy.

[GothDude]

idk if anyone has brought this up but 360/pc are getting a bunch of exclusive sodes for weapons and multiplayer boosters by preordering selected items.

so the proper name for this forum is, PS3 players are getting screwed. but then again i'm sure Bioware will make it up to is, they did for ME2

[Barheet1]

I think you're lucky to have the series at all...

[Turian_punk_75]

Sony suck, they don't care about their customers. Look at the PSN hacking fiasco.

Seriously it wouldn't suprise me if that glorified Blu-Ray player they brought out was shot down in flames within the next fiew years because of Sony's mis-management. I'm willing to bet that not one of Sony's board members have said 'Mass Effect 2 sold well, prehaps we can negotiate with Microsoft to have the first game ported to the PS3'... I PS3 gamers that have traded their machines in for X-360's just so they can play ME1... Which shows how good the game is.

Why do PS3 players pump cash into a company that doesn't give a **** about it's customer base? At least MS do **** for their customers..

[G0ldmember]

Barheet1 wrote...

I think you're lucky to have the series at all...

OMG you are so right! What were we thinking? We should praise jesus the lord almightly for give us PS3 peasants the god given oppertunity to experience one of Xbox's devines. You know what?! All PS3 gamers should be stripped of their preorders and give a photo of the game running on a 360. In color if they fork 60 dollars, otherwise its in black and white.

[Ecto-Plasmic Effect]

Maybe you should complain in the PS3 forums.

[Bleachrude]

G0ldmember wrote...

Barheet1 wrote...

I think you're lucky to have the series at all...

OMG you are so right! What were we thinking? We should praise jesus the lord almightly for give us PS3 peasants the god given oppertunity to experience one of Xbox's devines. You know what?! All PS3 gamers should be stripped of their preorders and give a photo of the game running on a 360. In color if they fork 60 dollars, otherwise its in black and white.

*Chuckle*

No, what I am saying is that you should direct your ire at Sony and not Bioware...The hing about being a subsidary of EA is that Bioware is LESS likely to have personal reasons for doing things and simply look at the bottom line.

It seems obvious that MS is pushing ME3 by putting their money on the table (again, makes sense given how the only bigname exclusive mgiht be Halo4 this year). I've seen interviews/ads/incentives through official Xbox venues but has PS done anything in return?

To me, ME isn't a big thing for Sony and thus they aren't throwing money at Bioware..Why be surprised that Bioware shows the love to MS?.

[Zu Long]

G0ldmember wrote...

Barheet1 wrote...

I think you're lucky to have the series at all...

OMG you are so right! What were we thinking? We should praise jesus the lord almightly for give us PS3 peasants the god given oppertunity to experience one of Xbox's devines. You know what?! All PS3 gamers should be stripped of their preorders and give a photo of the game running on a 360. In color if they fork 60 dollars, otherwise its in black and white.

Let me know when Uncharted gets ported to the PC or XBox. Like the saying goes, ya chooses yer console, and ya takes yer chances.

[SykoWolf]

PS users stop complaining, Bioware has to do something to make up for the fact that Mass Effect is no longer Xbox exclusive. (To make microsoft happy)

[Zu Long]

devSin wrote...

*insert wall of text*

I didn't write much of response to the last one because I didn't feel that strongly about it. You used weighty words like right and wrong, words that can carry pretty big connotations, and then said that you weren't attaching those connotations to them. So, I didn't realy know how to react.

Here's the upshot: I really don't object that much to what you're saying. I never did. I'm going to point you back to page 12. Again, YOU started arguing with ME. I was posting to someone else who had claimed the controls were unintuitive and questioned why console to PC doesn't work the same as console. You then claimed that nobody is talking about changing the control scheme, which isn't correct- other people in this topic have, such as Revan312 and DragonRageGT. My posts have largely been directed at them and those who share their viewpoint.

The rest of our conversation looks a little bit like a comedy sketch wherein I keep repeating that I don't object to what you, specifically, say you're doing, and you keep explaining it to me anyway,

[Pee Jae]

<--PS3 User. Not complaining. *waves*

[vader da slayer]

tangalin wrote...

G0ldmember wrote...

tangalin wrote...

@Tony
Yeah, I think EA is going to have a bit of a shock coming to them when they realize just having a download service isn't going to let them compete with Steam. Steam has sales ALL THE TIME and I seriously doubt EA will be willing to match that.

Origin is here to stay I'm afraid: EA: Origin Has Generated $100 Million in Sales with 9.3M Registered Consumers

Oh I'm sure they are stupid enough to keep it around, but that only works out to about $10 per person in sales. With the prices they have, they just won't have the impulse buys that Steam generates with its crazy sales.

so they dont' have the revenue numbers of Steam. 9.3 million registered users and 100 million in sales in under 9 months is pretty damn good.