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[bEVEsthda]

Let's take a step back and reconsider things.
Mostly: Why should a game franchise ever take a break? What reason?

I can only see two valid reasons. Either the game developments have so succesively derailed and started to produce such inferior work that it threatens the credibility and value of the franchise. Or, it has stopped selling well, the market having tired of that particular flavor.

In both these cases, the franchise should take a break because the publisher is losing value. No other reason.
What any blogger or game journalist think in this matter for whatever other personal reasons, is completely irrelevant.

So candidates?  Definitely CoD. Still sells well, still makes big money. But later games have eroded the value of the franchise and increase the risk for a major lashback further up the road. This franchise is worth so much that Activision really should care. I guess that's not going to happen. In typical corporate, short term greed, they won't, but will ruin it for themselves. Infinity Ward is the developer that have created the by far best games in this series. You could say the very games that carry the entire series on their shoulders. Look at how Activision have treated them.

Assasin Creed. Risks slipping down the same slope as CoD.

Dragon Age. Oops, already too late. EA/Bioware wanted a big. hip & cool franchise for the ninja kids, and figured it would be a terrific idea to use the popularity of DA:O to kickstart this newfangled franchise. Can't remember having seen anything so badly handled before. Now DA doesn't need a break, but rather a resounding comeback, asap. The signs are not good though. Evidence hints that EA/Bioware thinks their newfangled hip & cool franchise only need more polishing. I fear the risk is big, that it will wilt as miserably as Spore.

WoW clones. Every big publisher want a goldmine like WoW. Unfortunately, EVERYBODY who enjoys this kind of pastime is already playing WoW. Reason would suggest that all the others, who don't, are either tired of this gameplay already, or were never interested. The fact that Blizzard have 12 (or whatever) millions of customers doesn't mean that everybody else who, now much later, also provides pretty much exactly this kind of game, will also have 12 mil subscribers.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 12 février 2012 - 05:22 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

Mass Effect
Dragon Age
Elder Scrolls
Call of Duty
Assassin's Creed

Enough resting for Star Wars. Release a good one, just like pre-2006 good ol Star Wars.

Elder Scrolls needs a rest?

LOLwut?

It took them over 4 years in terms of gap between the two games.

Just because you probably don't like it for whatever reason doesn't mean it wasn't viable/fair to release another game 4 years down the road. And it expanded the universe as well, so I can't see any real negative points against it in terms of taking a break.

[saracen16]

I disagree about Sonic. Their most recent release, Sonic Generations, was better than any of the trashy Sonic games that came in the last 10 years.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

Mass Effect
Dragon Age
Elder Scrolls
Call of Duty
Assassin's Creed

Enough resting for Star Wars. Release a good one, just like pre-2006 good ol Star Wars.

Elder Scrolls needs a rest?

LOLwut?

It took them over 4 years in terms of gap between the two games.

Just because you probably don't like it for whatever reason doesn't mean it wasn't viable/fair to release another game 4 years down the road. And it expanded the universe as well, so I can't see any real negative points against it in terms of taking a break.

Suffice to say that the main story is ended by fifth scroll. So it was a determination rather than a suggestion.

Also Bethesda can probably work on Fallout franchise and/or a new universe.

[Zanallen]

DominusVita wrote...

To state the obvious, mario.

Mario was technically in Alleyway too. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleyway

[MerinTB]

When I say rest I mean let it stay out of production / not releasing another title for a good five years at least.

1. Call of Duty
2. Grand Theft Auto
3. The Elder Scrolls
4. Assassin's Creed
5. Mass Effect

I won't say Mario or Zelda, as those fan bases love their iterations AND those games tend to try and be innovative quite frequently.

I'm tempted to say Spider-Man as well, but rarely is that the same company dishing them out so that a property and not a series AFAIC.

[C9316]

Final Fantasy
Call of Duty
Street Fighter (Hey Capcom why don't you make some Mega Man games huh?)
Sports Games
All Movie Based Games

[Arcadian Legend]

roflchoppaz wrote...

>Sonic the Hedgehog

It's obvious that the writer is still living in the "Sonic hate is cool, yo" phase.
**** off.

I would state my reasons why I disagree, but I won't even bother with this. The guy is just ignorant.

DominusVita wrote...

To state the obvious, mario.

...oh wow.

Now that's some sequelitis.

Wow, I knew Mario has a crapton of games being Ninty's poster franchise, but DAYUM.

Anyway, yeah, the only Sonic game I didn't like was Shadow the Hedgehog. (Haven't played 06) And I don't know how it can still be considered terribad/dead, especially considering the praise garnered from Colors and Generations. (as well as from s much lesser extent, Unleashed)  Also the handheld games. Liked by most everyone who played them, Non-existent from everyone else.

As for my thoughts, this may come as a massive shock, but Final Fantasy. And this is coming from someone who is a huge fan that likes all the games. Simply because from the majority viewpoint, the series is dying to them. It isn't what it used to be and so on. Those who didn't like XIII didn''t even give XIII-2 a chance, condemming it even before release, ignoring all promises the devs made to improve on the faults of XIII (which they kept to by the way) and so on. It makes me wonder just how long it will continue for with future installments. That's why I think a break is necessary, to let the rampant hate cool down,  so people can look forward to future games without rose tinted nostalgia blocking the view or worry.

Actually, forget everything what I said in the last paragraph. It wouldn't change a ****** thing if they had a break.  The same for other franchises with fanbases of similar views for the majority. Besides, Square Enix wouldn't just put on hold their poster franchise like that.

 There is one thing that could benefit from a break (from an industry viewpoint rather) and that's Call of Duty. It's sort of preventing other shooters of a different mold from becoming recognised, and it's hurting the FPS genre from being as diverse as it can be.

[Chromie]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Wow, I knew Mario has a crapton of games being Ninty's poster franchise, but DAYUM.

But comeon most if not all those games are pretty damn good.

[Morroian]

MerinTB wrote...

When I say rest I mean let it stay out of production / not releasing another title for a good five years at least.

1. Call of Duty
2. Grand Theft Auto
3. The Elder Scrolls
.

But it was 5 years between Oblivion and Skyrim. I don't see a problem with Bethesda's timetable.

[marbatico]

i know what you guys mean about the AC franchise. i played AC1 to death, and when AC2 came along it improved so much of the original, that i played that one to death as well.
brotherhood and revelations might as well been DLC with what they add to the games....

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Morroian wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

When I say rest I mean let it stay out of production / not releasing another title for a good five years at least.

1. Call of Duty
2. Grand Theft Auto
3. The Elder Scrolls
.

But it was 5 years between Oblivion and Skyrim. I don't see a problem with Bethesda's timetable.

Some people are just butt-hurt because Skyrim is...THE BEST RPG EVER!

*epicface*

[KotorEffect3]

Morroian wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

When I say rest I mean let it stay out of production / not releasing another title for a good five years at least.

1. Call of Duty
2. Grand Theft Auto
3. The Elder Scrolls
.

But it was 5 years between Oblivion and Skyrim. I don't see a problem with Bethesda's timetable.

It was over 5 years between TES games and it is going to be 4 years between GTA games,  I don't think either of those two series can be accused of overkill. 

[MerinTB]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Morroian wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
When I say rest I mean let it stay out of production / not releasing another title for a good five years at least.

1. Call of Duty
2. Grand Theft Auto
3. The Elder Scrolls
.

But it was 5 years between Oblivion and Skyrim. I don't see a problem with Bethesda's timetable.

It was over 5 years between TES games and it is going to be 4 years between GTA games,  I don't think either of those two series can be accused of overkill. 

When I say "out of production / not releasing" another title, I mean out of production  and not releasing.  Out of production means not working on one.

Bethesda's "TES" release dates:
1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2002, 2006, 2011
That's not counting expansions / DLC.  The gap between 2006 and 2011 is good, sure, if you also factor in that they made and released Fallout 3 in that time frame as well so they did something else inbetween and gave more than a 1 or 2 year break between TES games.

Grand Theft Auto can probably be retired for all I care on that one.  Call of Duty just needs a break - we all kind of need a break from military FPS with heavy MP aspects.

That said, this is humorous -

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...
Some people are just butt-hurt because Skyrim is...THE BEST RPG EVER!

I own, and like, Skyrim.  I own all TES games save Red Guard (but I did play that one a litle, too.)

Perhaps wait until you are Sober_No_Caps_Canadian and maybe know a thing or two about what you are talking about.

I'm not disliking the list - I'm saying the game industry needs to focus on some other stuff (including MAKING, not just releasing) for awhile.

With Red Dead, L.A. Noire and Max Payne 3.... Rockstar seems to agree.

Modifié par MerinTB, 12 février 2012 - 11:42 .

[bEVEsthda]

MerinTB wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Morroian wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
When I say rest I mean let it stay out of production / not releasing another title for a good five years at least.

1. Call of Duty
2. Grand Theft Auto
3. The Elder Scrolls
.

But it was 5 years between Oblivion and Skyrim. I don't see a problem with Bethesda's timetable.

It was over 5 years between TES games and it is going to be 4 years between GTA games,  I don't think either of those two series can be accused of overkill. 

When I say "out of production / not releasing" another title, I mean out of production  and not releasing.  Out of production means not working on one.

Bethesda's "TES" release dates:
1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2002, 2006, 2011
That's not counting expansions / DLC.  The gap between 2006 and 2011 is good, sure, if you also factor in that they made and released Fallout 3 in that time frame as well so they did something else inbetween and gave more than a 1 or 2 year break between TES games.

Grand Theft Auto can probably be retired for all I care on that one.  Call of Duty just needs a break - we all kind of need a break from military FPS with heavy MP aspects.

That said, this is humorous -

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...
Some people are just butt-hurt because Skyrim is...THE BEST RPG EVER!

I own, and like, Skyrim.  I own all TES games save Red Guard (but I did play that one a litle, too.)

Perhaps wait until you are Sober_No_Caps_Canadian and maybe know a thing or two about what you are talking about.

I'm not disliking the list - I'm saying the game industry needs to focus on some other stuff (including MAKING, not just releasing) for awhile.

With Red Dead, L.A. Noire and Max Payne 3.... Rockstar seems to agree.

Well, I don't think you make any sense.
There's no reason why TES should take a break. It's a very well managed franchise. It's also finally empowering Bethesda. Meaning it sets the company financially free. Free to do other things. And free to do their own thing.
The thing is also that there are so many further things to add to TES, as soon as a new generation consoles can handle it. It's an exciting franchise. A spearhead into the future. And gradually Bethesda has made a larger and larger group of gamers understand the point. So why should they quit now?

[Morroian]

MerinTB wrote...

When I say "out of production / not releasing" another title, I mean out of production  and not releasing.  Out of production means not working on one.

As you say the TES team worked on Fallout 3 between Oblivion and Skyrim. And indications are that they will be working on Fallout 4 when Skyrim is done with.

Modifié par Morroian, 13 février 2012 - 01:20 .

[Chromie]

Morroian wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

When I say "out of production / not releasing" another title, I mean out of production  and not releasing.  Out of production means not working on one.

As you say the TES team worked on Fallout 3 between Oblivion and Skyrim. And indications are that they will be working on Fallout 4 when Skyrim is done with.

I really hope not.

[slimgrin]

I'd rather Bethesda not make another Fallout game as well, but a new IP instead. I know I'm in the minority on this.

Modifié par slimgrin, 13 février 2012 - 01:41 .

[Chromie]

slimgrin wrote...

I'd rather Bethesda not make another Fallout game as well, but a new IP instead. I know I'm in the minority on this.

I'd like to see them make a game with smaller, incredibly detailed environments like Witcher 2 and Deus Ex. 

[MerinTB]

bEVEsthda wrote...
So why should they quit now?

To take a break and make a different game, even another Fallout but possibly something else (another Terminator game?)

They have released (again, not counting expansions, DLC, nor "mobile" games) seven TES games over the last decade and a half - that's just under one very two years.  If you look back at the "glut" times (late 90's) the games there were releasing were fairly bad (Battlespire, Redguard) ... and the LONGER gaps between games (especially, say, when they do a DIFFERENT game and get to experiment in said game, like Fallout 3 brought some great stuff to Skyrim) meant a better game released.

I didn't realize the thread titles was "5 Video Games Franchises That Should Take a Break" with the invisible sub-title "unless I like the series"

You list Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed but they are selling very well and gamers, as a whole, love them.  Why stop when there is increasing demand?  The last Call of Duty, MW3, alone sold more copies than ALL TES GAMES COMBINED.  Yeah, THAT'S a series that should stop but Bethesda should keep making TES games because it's "picking up steam"....  Bethesda has a long way to climb (or CoD a very fall way to fall in sales) before you can make THAT kind of argument.

Modifié par MerinTB, 13 février 2012 - 03:52 .

[Han Shot First]

Haasth wrote...

Five huh? Hmm.. Tough one..

1. Call of Duty.
2. Call of Duty.
3. Call of Duty.
4. Call of Duty.
5. Call of Duty.

This.

Not that I blame the developers for continuing to churn new games that are nearly indistinguishable from the one that preceded it, so long as people keep spending money on them. If you've played one COD game you've played them all.

[Drone223]

TBH i think the FPS genre should take a break althogether

[G00N3R7883]

Dragon Age - because another rush job would kill the series.

Assassin's Creed - because the series has gone stale over the last two games. Revelations was the very definition of milking the franchise. There was no attempt to advance the main plot, it was just an excuse to sell one more Ezio game. Perhaps a new ancestor and a new city will help freshen things up, but I think they need to do something to change up the gameplay as well. I personally desire more freedom to carry out missions my way, instead of having my hand held every step of the way.

CoD - I've only played MW1 and MW2, and I doubt I'll ever play another CoD game, so I haven't put it on this list in the hopes that I'll one day enjoy the series again. Its bigger that that. Another poster in this thread already mentioned this briefly - CoD is the biggest selling game franchise. It has the kind of success that other developers dream about. So they copy what CoD does. Unfortunately CoD does alot of bad things. I don't need to list them because alot of people already see it. But the more success CoD has, the more other developers ruin their own games by trying to achieve CoD's success. CoD needs to take a break for the good of the entire games industry. Sadly it will never happen. Maybe the best we can hope for is that one day CoD burns itself out and becomes a cautionary tale for the industry.

Half Life - because it hasn't been long enough since Episode 2.