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[Baryonic_Member]

While running about the catwalks in Vancouver, Kaidan/Ashley call in on the radio that they're "trying to take down the Dreadnought". We then see a Reaper destroying a ship that's hovering in mid air with a few shots. Now there's a number of problems with this.

>The Codex clearly states that Dreadnoughts are kilometre long vessels which cannot enter atmosphere even on low gravity worlds. Even Carriers cannot enter atmosphere on a planet with 1 G.

>The Codex states that the main gun of Sovereign would be able to destroy any Alliance ship with a single shot.

Anyone else bothered how unserious BioWare seem to be about consistency? 

Modifié par Baryonic_Member, 11 février 2012 - 10:44 .

[DKruger]

Ashley/Kaidan is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

[alex90c]

Baryonic_Member wrote...

Anyone else bothered how unserious BioWare seem to be about consistency? 

No.

Get over it.

[WizenSlinky0]

Perhaps it was a cruiser whose name was Dreadnought. As in "They are taking down *The Dreadnought*" as opposed to A dreadnought.

Also, a reaper's main gun can tear any alliance ship with a single sustained shot I believe. Those looked like quick potshots to me.

[Weskerr]

Is it possible that the Alliance ship was something other than a Dreadnought or Carrier? If not, then that is indeed a mistake.

The Reaper that destroys the ship isn't Sovereign and is probably smaller and less powerful, so that isn't necessarily a lore error.

[APOPHIS89]

First of all, Reapers have known to land on planets using a mass effect field core to reduce their mass. Second, Sovereign could destroy any current Alliance ship, I assume the defences have increased significantly.

[Malik84]

alex90c wrote...

Baryonic_Member wrote...

Anyone else bothered how unserious BioWare seem to be about consistency? 

No.

Get over it.

[VolusvsReaper]

Oh dear ******* god get a life.

[ediskrad327]

please this is nothing! if you want lore errors buy Mass Effect deception!

[Fredvdp]

Also, heatsinks are called ammo now.

[MasterSamson88]

Some of the Reapers didn't seem to be as big as Sovereign. I mean they do vary in size.

[Blarty]

. Oh my is this going to be the way things are going to play out on BSN for the next few months/forever*

* Delete as appropriate depending on how long you've been acquainted with BSN

Modifié par Blarty, 11 février 2012 - 10:45 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Baryonic_Member wrote...

While running about the catwalks, Kaidan/Ashley call in on the radio that they're "trying to take down the Dreadnought". We then see a Reaper destroying a ship in a few shots. Now there's a number of problems with this.

>The Codex clearly states that Dreadnoughts are kilometre long vessels which cannot enter atmosphere even on low gravity worlds. Even Carriers cannot enter atmosphere on a planet with 1 G.

>The Codex states that the main gun of Sovereign would be able to destroy any Alliance ship with a single shot.

Anyone else bothered how unserious BioWare seem to be about consistency? 

Describe for me, exactly, what happened. Because I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying he/she is trying to land an Alliance/Allies Dreadnaught onto a planet (which has been proven to be possible; Sovereign did it) or is he/she trying to bring down/destroy a dreadnaught, ie a Reaper, ie something that has already been proven to be able to land on a planet?

I'm not seeing any discontinuity here yet, but that doesn't mean there isn't any. I just want to understand what you meant.

[Fredvdp]

ediskrad327 wrote...

please this is nothing! if you want lore errors buy Mass Effect deception!

Or do Jacob's loyalty mission.

[Baryonic_Member]

alex90c wrote...

Baryonic_Member wrote...

Anyone else bothered how unserious BioWare seem to be about consistency? 

No.

Get over it.

It's very annoying that BioWare will favor "cool cinematic" moments and completely ignore the established lore. ME used to have good fiction and technobabble. If you read the codex on space combat it is fairly thought through with some equations from atomic rockets. But I guess they've abandonded that to cater to all the new players. 


Also, the dialogue was so bad in the demo. I guess being discharged really took its tool
"What's the plan?
Shepard " We fight or we die!"

All the conversation options were completely redundant. Why couldn't I say to Anderson how retarded he is by staying in a warzone. What the hell was he planning on doing? He'll never get out of Vancouver alive. The Reapers are blocking communications, how the hell is he going to organize resistance? Why is Shepard all like "The fight is here, screw the council!"-- what the hell is he planning to do? Take out the Reaper armada with his M8? Hackett's fleet was destroyed. But I guess it's trauma from the Reaper invasion.

[Adanu]

Plenty of variation in Reapers. That being said, Sticking to Lore would be nice for once.

VolusvsReaper wrote...

Oh dear ******* god get a life.

Screw you.

[WizenSlinky0]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Baryonic_Member wrote...

While running about the catwalks, Kaidan/Ashley call in on the radio that they're "trying to take down the Dreadnought". We then see a Reaper destroying a ship in a few shots. Now there's a number of problems with this.

>The Codex clearly states that Dreadnoughts are kilometre long vessels which cannot enter atmosphere even on low gravity worlds. Even Carriers cannot enter atmosphere on a planet with 1 G.

>The Codex states that the main gun of Sovereign would be able to destroy any Alliance ship with a single shot.

Anyone else bothered how unserious BioWare seem to be about consistency? 

Describe for me, exactly, what happened. Because I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying he/she is trying to land an Alliance/Allies Dreadnaught onto a planet (which has been proven to be possible; Sovereign did it) or is he/she trying to bring down/destroy a dreadnaught, ie a Reaper, ie something that has already been proven to be able to land on a planet?

I'm not seeing any discontinuity here yet, but that doesn't mean there isn't any. I just want to understand what you meant.

While on earth you see a landed reaper battling with a dreadnought which isn't all too high off the ground. Ashley yells that the reaper is about to take it down, where it explodes soon after.

Baryonic_Member wrote...

Also, the dialogue was so bad in the demo. I guess being discharged really took its tool
"What's the plan?
Shepard " We fight or we die!"

All
the conversation options were completely redundant. Why couldn't I say
to Anderson how retarded he is by staying in a warzone. What the hell
was he planning on doing? He'll never get out of Vancouver alive. The
Reapers are blocking communications, how the hell is he going to
organize resistance? Why is Shepard all like "The fight is here, screw
the council!"-- what the hell is he planning to do? Take out the Reaper
armada with his M8? Hackett's fleet was destroyed. But I guess it's
trauma from the Reaper invasion.

Eh, the defense council part was actually fine. Their reactions were seriously leading me to believe they were about to just throw in the towel, or even say something stupid like "what if we negotiate with them?". Every second they spent being scared little children was another critical moment lost. So it was fight, or die, I don't care which but I'm fighting.

I'm still against the whole "resistance on earth" thing but if that's the route they want to take...meh.

And Shepard's second choice wasn't him saying he would stay, but to tell anderson "we're in this together" ie. get on this damn ship right now. So you had a choice not to suggest staying on earth.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 11 février 2012 - 10:49 .

[Hyrist]

Oh, hey, technology advances.

Plop a normandy-sized core (relatively) in a dreadnaught and suddenly the mass effect field is powerful enough to allow a surface dreadnaught.

And the Normandy upgraded shields that would allow them to take a collector beam shot (if you did the upgrade in ME2), I would assume that some of the Dreadnaughts have done some upgrading in that department too after Sovereign.

Not to mention, it does not seem as if the other reapers are as powerful as Sovereign was, as Sovereign had a cannon at the end of each arm, these guys seem to have one a piece.

[Baryonic_Member]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Perhaps it was a cruiser whose name was Dreadnought. As in "They are taking down *The Dreadnought*" as opposed to A dreadnought.

That is just needlessly confusing. More likely, BioWare just jumped the shark on this one. But the model is identical to a carrier, but even then, carriers can't land or enter atmosphere on an Earth sized planet.

Also, a reaper's main gun can tear any alliance ship with a single sustained shot I believe. Those looked like quick potshots to me.

Maybe. Maybe the weapon isn't as effective in atmosphere, or it couldn't fire at full power for some reason. Another possibilty is that that particular Reaper wasn't as powerful as Sovereign--it certainly wasn't 2 kilometres long as Sovereign.

VolusvsReaper wrote...

Oh dear ******* god get a life.

Why are you even playing and investing time in ME if not for the story? 

Modifié par Baryonic_Member, 11 février 2012 - 10:48 .

[ediskrad327]

alex90c wrote...

Baryonic_Member wrote...

Anyone else bothered how unserious BioWare seem to be about consistency? 

No.

Get over it.

[BatmanPWNS]

The answer is Mass Effect field, right?

[Wulfram]

They've really never payed much attention to the codex for spaceship stuff. As best I can tell that was written (probably by a Honor Harrington fan) and then promptly ignored because it doesn't really make for exciting cinematics

Best to ignore it and set your expectations to more Star Wars/Star Trek type stuff

[Tezlaa]

alex90c wrote...

Baryonic_Member wrote...

Anyone else bothered how unserious BioWare seem to be about consistency? 

No.

Get over it.

Bit of an ignorant and stupid comment. 

They could of gotten away with it being a cruiser. If that is one of humanities largest ships, and one is already down, it really does make the situation look bleak. That was probably the aim, but still that is a silly error to make.

[Inutaisho7996]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Describe for me, exactly, what happened. Because I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying he/she is trying to land an Alliance/Allies Dreadnaught onto a planet (which has been proven to be possible; Sovereign did it) or is he/she trying to bring down/destroy a dreadnaught, ie a Reaper, ie something that has already been proven to be able to land on a planet?

I'm not seeing any discontinuity here yet, but that doesn't mean there isn't any. I just want to understand what you meant

It's not possible. Dreadnaughts don't have an eezo core large enough to reduce their mass so that they can escape a planet's gravity; Sovereign did.


Anyway,the ship we see get destroyed never gets called a dreadnaught. Ashley tells Joker to watch out for
the dreadnaught by them that the reapers are about to destroy, but the Normandy is no
where near the ship Anderson and Shepard see get blown up. It's
probably just a cruiser that got destroyed around the same time.

Modifié par Inutaisho7996, 11 février 2012 - 10:49 .

[VolusvsReaper]

I play for the story but your complaint is borderline sad.