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[Dakota Strider]

Playing the human noble origin, my PC had a short dalliance with the elf Iona, before she was slain in Howe's attack.  In speaking to her, I knew she was from the alienage in Denerim, and that she had a daughter, who she was very fond of.  My character has found the young elf girl Amethyne, who speaks of her mother not returning from Highever yet.  However, my character gets no interaction with her.

My question:  Is there any story line where the PC does get to interact with Iona's daughter?  My character would certainly try to help the girl as much as possible, least of all, getting her out of the alienage and a position in either the Arl of Redcliff's home, or in the Cousland keep, after the final battle. 

However, if there is no interaction with Amethyne possible, I am wondering if that was a lose end the dev's forgot about?  Seems that if they had Iona take the time to talk about her in the Origin Story, and then let the PC find her far into the story, there should be more than just a glance at a girl that looks much like his former lover, and speaks about a mother that bears to much in common with Iona, to be coincidence.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

You knew Iona for maybe 6 hours, max, and had sex with her.



You're not responsible for her daughter. What you get with Amethyne is all there is, and it doesn't have to be an oversight. It's a small glimpse into the harsh world you're playing in. Letting the PC care for this girl would seem very odd to me. Not to sound like a *****, though. It would be nice, but it really isn't the PC's responsibility no matter how sad it is. I doubt you could get custody of her anyways without pulling a lot of strings.

[Maria Caliban]

I'd suggest it's a loose end. I can think of no other reason for a twelve year old to have a yellow name in this game unless a cat demon has possessed them.



The devs wanted us to see and interact with her, but I guess whatever resolution we might get is on the cutting room floor.

[Maria Caliban]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

You knew Iona for maybe 6 hours, max, and had sex with her.

You're not responsible for her daughter. What you get with Amethyne is all there is, and it doesn't have to be an oversight. It's a small glimpse into the harsh world you're playing in. Letting the PC care for this girl would seem very odd to me. Not to sound like a *****, though. It would be nice, but it really isn't the PC's responsibility no matter how sad it is. I doubt you could get custody of her anyways without pulling a lot of strings.

Right. I fight horrible demons for people I've known for less than two minutes, but can't spare 50 silver for a young girl whose mother was killed when my castle was taken from me.

[Fragglespank]

Yeah, It would've been nice to have a "Hey, I ****ed your mom" option

[Mystranna Kelteel]

"I had sex with this girl's mother!! I demand responsibility for her!!"



Heh, I have no qualms with being able to help her by giving her money or anything. But "taking her out of the alienage" or "giving her a position in the Arl of Redcliffe's home" seems a tad extreme.

Let's not kid ourselves; there's no real way the PC could have really fallen in love with Iona in that amount of time. It was a fling.

Being sad about her daughter is fine. Helping in some way would probably be fine too, depending on how it's handled. But there's no reason for anyone to trust your PC with this girl, even if they knew you and Iona were passionate in those 6 hours you knew each other.

[SLPr0]

Fragglespank wrote...

Yeah, It would've been nice to have a "Hey, I ****ed your mom" option

Hahaha...hilarious.

But yeah I saw the daughter in the alienage too, the lack of interactive options was sad, given the last hours of her mothers life were spent with the PC, the PC could at least say a few nice things...

Though I suppose "hey your mother was awesome in the sack" would probably be a little callous and thats more or less all you knew of her.

[Maria Caliban]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Being sad about her daughter is fine. Helping in some way would probably be fine too, depending on how it's handled. But there's no reason for anyone to trust your PC with this girl, even if they knew you and Iona were passionate in those 6 hours you knew each other.

No, I don't think adopting the kid would make a lick of sense, but this thread is whether the developers planned to have any resolution to this. I think they did but it got cut.

But... maybe for $7 I can get it as DLC.

[Dakota Strider]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

You knew Iona for maybe 6 hours, max, and had sex with her.

You're not responsible for her daughter. What you get with Amethyne is all there is, and it doesn't have to be an oversight. It's a small glimpse into the harsh world you're playing in. Letting the PC care for this girl would seem very odd to me. Not to sound like a *****, though. It would be nice, but it really isn't the PC's responsibility no matter how sad it is. I doubt you could get custody of her anyways without pulling a lot of strings.

Right. I fight horrible demons for people I've known for less than two minutes, but can't spare 50 silver for a young girl whose mother was killed when my castle was taken from me.

Yeah, I have to agree with Maria on this.  I am playing the "noble" origin here, and while many nobles do not live up to the name, the Couslands had a reputation of being good to those that worked for them.  And since Iona was there because my character's mother had invited her employer to Highever, than my character would feel some responsiblity to give Amethyne some aid, whether he shared the sheets with her mother or not.   And if you add the fact that he had such a good time with Iona, if given any opportunity, my character would do more than toss a few silver after the orphan.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

I honestly saw it as more of an "Easter Egg" for those who played the human noble, just like the Dalish origin PC can get the Brecilian clan to "send a messenger" to the Mahariel clan.

It's just kind of there to show some depth. I didn't think it felt like a quest cut short. Though it is strange her name was colored. Maybe it was to make her stand out.

[SLPr0]

Dakota Strider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

You knew Iona for maybe 6 hours, max, and had sex with her.

You're not responsible for her daughter. What you get with Amethyne is all there is, and it doesn't have to be an oversight. It's a small glimpse into the harsh world you're playing in. Letting the PC care for this girl would seem very odd to me. Not to sound like a *****, though. It would be nice, but it really isn't the PC's responsibility no matter how sad it is. I doubt you could get custody of her anyways without pulling a lot of strings.

Right. I fight horrible demons for people I've known for less than two minutes, but can't spare 50 silver for a young girl whose mother was killed when my castle was taken from me.

Yeah, I have to agree with Maria on this.  I am playing the "noble" origin here, and while many nobles do not live up to the name, the Couslands had a reputation of being good to those that worked for them.  And since Iona was there because my character's mother had invited her employer to Highever, than my character would feel some responsiblity to give Amethyne some aid, whether he shared the sheets with her mother or not.   And if you add the fact that he had such a good time with Iona, if given any opportunity, my character would do more than toss a few silver after the orphan.

I think some way to find Amethyne a permanent family to care for her would be a nice option, and I agree with you on he feeling of responsibility as Amethyne's mother did die under the protection of the Cousland house.

You would have some level of need, as a noble, to do right by the womans daughter....rather than simply let the girl grow up a beggar in the alienage with no parents.

[TuringPoint]

I like the idea of giving her work at Castle Cousland.  It makes sense; I know I felt really bad when the door was smashed open and Iona died first.  That her daughter would turn up and I wouldn't figure it out or do anything seems monstrous, just like pretending nothing happened.  Iona might have been a fling, but she was still a lover, and she died in service to the friends of the Couslands.  Why not at least try to find a family for her in the alienage?

I do think it would make some sense to do something for her, maybe not a three-hour questline or anything, but something. It would be a choice, anyway

Modifié par Alocormin, 24 novembre 2009 - 04:44 .

[Dakota Strider]

Also, I recall when my PC was speaking to Iona, that when she spoke of her daughter, she said she hoped that Amethyne would be able to work for a noble lady, the same as she had. So.... that is the type of position I would hope to help her attain. Granted, at her young age, she would not start at that position, but would at least have a place with the servants of the keep.

[TuringPoint]

There are so many basic ways to take care of her which would be token for a noble, not unwarranted.

What would be unwarranted is taking the daughter in as family. That would be silly, though people do stranger things at times.

Modifié par Alocormin, 24 novembre 2009 - 04:47 .

[Maria Caliban]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

I honestly saw it as more of an "Easter Egg" for those who played the human noble, just like the Dalish origin PC can get the Brecilian clan to "send a messenger" to the Mahariel clan.
It's just kind of there to show some depth. I didn't think it felt like a quest cut short. Though it is strange her name was colored. Maybe it was to make her stand out.

I think Mystranna Kelteel is just HEARTLESS. If she had a fling with a woman who went on and on about her daughter, and said woman was brutally murdered in front of her, it wouldn't bother Mystranna at all. When she later met the daughter, who is cold, alone, and reduced to begging on the streets (doesn't even know her mother is dead), Myst would laugh as she waltzed on by.

[rumination888]

Marry Queen Anora.
Pretend in the epilogue that you've given the Elves more rights despite making a lot of other people angry.
There, now you've helped Amethyne more than giving her some lowly position as a second-class servant.

[Maria Caliban]

rumination888 wrote...

Marry Queen Anora.
Pretend in the epilogue that you've given the Elves more rights despite making a lot of other people angry.
There, now you've helped Amethyne more than giving her some lowly position as a second-class servant.

Humans have rights in the real world, but that doesn't seem to help homeless orphans.

You cannot eat rights. Rights cannot keep you warm at night or get you care when you fall ill. Rights for elves might help Amethyne, but having someone take care of her would help far more.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 24 novembre 2009 - 05:22 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Maria Caliban wrote...
I think Mystranna Kelteel is just HEARTLESS. If she had a fling with a woman who went on and on about her daughter, and said woman was brutally murdered in front of her, it wouldn't bother Mystranna at all. When she later met the daughter, who is cold, alone, and reduced to begging on the streets (doesn't even know her mother is dead), Myst would laugh as she waltzed on by.

And what did you do when you talked to her and she mentioned her mommy hadn't returned with the new toy she was promised? The same mommy you had crazy sex with and then allowed to open the door when the dog specifically told her not to.
Oh, that's right, you all did nothing!! NOTHING!!!.

Hell, I bet you just left Iona lying on the floor of your bedroom in her underwear while you went traipsing out to get some phat lewt from some nearby chests.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 24 novembre 2009 - 05:24 .

[Maria Caliban]

.. am I the only one who stuck around a bit to see if you could loot Iona's body?

[bambooxfox]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

And what did you do when you talked to her and she mentioned her mommy hadn't returned with the new toy she was promised? The same mommy you had crazy sex with and then allowed to open the door when the dog specifically told her not to.
Oh, that's right, you all did nothing!! NOTHING!!!.

Hell, I bet you just left Iona lying on the floor of your bedroom in her underwear while you went traipsing out to get some phat lewt from some nearby chests.

Am I equally horrible if I just LOLed so hard at this? xD

[Malkut]

You don't owe that kid any money, unless you were planning on paying Iona for the sex.

[Maria Caliban]

Malkut wrote...

You don't owe that kid any money, unless you were planning on paying Iona for the sex.

A Cousland always pays for the sex. One way or another.

[Serogon]

Malkut wrote...

You don't owe that kid any money, unless you were planning on paying Iona for the sex.

"Hey, kid, here's a gold. Your mom was a hooker, but she died before I could pay her. Sucks to be you, but hey, you've got a gold now!"

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Maria Caliban wrote...

.. am I the only one who stuck around a bit to see if you could loot Iona's body?

I even tried to loot the nephew... >.>


I wanted his Sword of Truthiness.

[Maria Caliban]

When mom said "Oh, poor Dxxxx. I'm so sorry. She died because she came to me!"

For a moment, I though, "Damn, mom. I guess it runs in the family. Does dad know?"

Then I tried to loot her as well.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 24 novembre 2009 - 05:41 .