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How to make the developers listen to us PC gamers (Chris Priestly we need you)


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Can anyone tell me how it seems like people make graphics seem more important than gameplay and story? I really don't see how graphics matter at all; then again, I've been gaming since a little before the N64 was released.

It's not more important, but considering most people play closer to their PC screen than the TV which connects to their console, the lack of quality is going to be more obvious.
Not too mention that an average PC is likely to have more RAM and a better graphics card than the current generations of consoles. So it's not that weird to actually want to use them. I mean if your TV can utilize full HD wouldn't you prefer to have channels that broadcast in it.

Also there have and still are plenty of threads about gameplay and story on this forum so it's not like we are somehow neglecting to discuss those issues.

EDIT: People! Please report and then ignore obvious trolls.

I'm not trolling, I was genuinely curious. I'm the type who wouldn't care if a game had N64 graphics and textures (I tend to use the two words as synonyms at times) as long as the story and gameplay were good. I'm more a console gamer and only own two PC games (Fallout 1 and 2) so I am a bit ignorant towards what PC gamers deal with.

To be honest, I do feel that devs should take the time to fine-tune the textures for PC and make the PS3 and XBox the way they are right now. The main reason why they don't is because PC tech is constantly improving; within one year, gaming tech for PCs improve multiple times. I think most game developers haven't yet gotten to what the PS3 and 360 are truly capable of in terms of graphics and everything, though. If devs did try to keep the PC version up to date, some would wind up releasing the PC version after consoles.

Honestly, I think the whole "we need to release games every 1 or 2 years" mentality needs to stop. I think that is part of the problem.

Modifié par aLucidMind, 12 février 2012 - 11:57 .


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aLucidMind wrote...

I'm not trolling, I was genuinely curious. I'm the type who wouldn't care if a game had N64 graphics and textures (I tend to use the two words as synonyms at times) as long as the story and gameplay were good. I'm more a console gamer and only own two PC games (Fallout 1 and 2) so I am a bit ignorant towards what PC gamers deal with.

To be honest, I do feel that devs should take the time to fine-tune the textures for PC and make the PS3 and XBox the way they are right now. The main reason why they don't is because PC tech is constantly improving; within one year, gaming tech for PCs improve multiple times. I think most game developers haven't yet gotten to what the PS3 and 360 are truly capable of in terms of graphics and everything, though. If devs did try to keep the PC version up to date, some would wind up releasing the PC version after consoles.

Honestly, I think the whole "we need to release games every 1 or 2 years" mentality needs to stop. I think that is part of the problem.


hmm.. my rig is 3 years old now and can play on High or Ultra high most anything that has been released since. Except The Witcher 2 which is something that required a better and newer video card. (but still plays great on mid-high settings in my old rig)

Modifié par DragonRageGT, 13 février 2012 - 12:49 .


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Can a dev respond about the modding possibilities?


They cannot really.

Also console users you are posting in a PC thraed.
Take your mean spirit, flame bait, troll hat and e-politics to another thraed about th relative merits of each platform.
This one is about how best to communicate a  specific request for the PC platform.
re: HiRes textures for PC.

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lobi wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Can a dev respond about the modding possibilities?


They cannot really.

Also console users you are posting in a PC thraed.
Take your mean spirit, flame bait, troll hat and e-politics to another thraed about th relative merits of each platform.
This one is about how best to communicate a  specific request for the PC platform.
re: HiRes textures for PC.



"It is BioWare's policy that you DO NOT moddify our games. We are not responsible for any changes you make to our games and how they may or may not correctly work with future DLC or sequels.

And I know, I hear you say "Priestly, I only moddified the X" or "I only changed the Y, so that cannot hurt anything" or similar. THAT DOES NOT MATTER. Anytime you start mucking around in teh game and moddifying, adding credits, changing appearances, altering anything it MAY have an unexpected effect on future Mass Effect content.

You are welcome to do any modding you so choose, but you do it at your OWN RISK."



Strange. Their policy regarding DA:O was just the opposite. Fair enough. They clearly don't support modding anymore. I'm hoping mods won't throw a red flag up with Origin though.

Modifié par slimgrin, 13 février 2012 - 01:09 .


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Stop pirating might help...

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slimgrin wrote...

lobi wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Can a dev respond about the modding possibilities?


They cannot really.

Also console users you are posting in a PC thraed.
Take your mean spirit, flame bait, troll hat and e-politics to another thraed about th relative merits of each platform.
This one is about how best to communicate a  specific request for the PC platform.
re: HiRes textures for PC.


Chris Priestly wrote...

I have movied this to the characters and creations forum and stickied,

HOWEVER!!!

"It is BioWare's policy that you DO NOT moddify our games. We are not responsible for any changes you make to our games and how they may or may not correctly work with future DLC or sequels.

And I know, I hear you say "Priestly, I only moddified the X" or "I only changed the Y, so that cannot hurt anything" or similar. THAT DOES NOT MATTER. Anytime you start mucking around in teh game and moddifying, adding credits, changing appearances, altering anything it MAY have an unexpected effect on future Mass Effect content.

You are welcome to do any modding you so choose, but you do it at your OWN RISK."



Strange. Their policy regarding DA:O was just the opposite. Fair enough. They clearly don't support modding anymore. I'm hoping mods won't throw a red flag up with Origin though.



Fixed - And not only Origins. Neverwinter Nights was not a game about a single player campaign. It was a Toolset which came with a single game campaign to demonstrate what could be done with it and heck, the most awesome things were done with it!

Modifié par DragonRageGT, 13 février 2012 - 01:12 .


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Vicex wrote...

Stop pirating might help...


Reported.

Modifié par slimgrin, 13 février 2012 - 01:11 .


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slimgrin wrote...
Strange. Their policy regarding DA:O was just the opposite. Fair enough. They clearly don't support modding anymore. I'm hoping mods won't throw a red flag up with Origin though.


It doesn't really sound any different from their DA:O policy. If your mods broke the OC that wasn't their problem, which means they didn't "support" mods.

Modifié par AlanC9, 13 février 2012 - 01:12 .


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slimgrin wrote...

Vicex wrote...

Stop pirating might help...


Reported.



For what? There was an article months back suggesting that is why many developers don't pay as much attention to PC gamers.... I think you jumped the gun too quick there.

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Vicex wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Vicex wrote...

Stop pirating might help...


Reported.



For what? There was an article months back suggesting that is why many developers don't pay as much attention to PC gamers.... I think you jumped the gun too quick there.


Go trolling somewhere else. Or you want me to link you some exclusive X-Box torrents? Console games are as much pirated as PC games. Only, they use a PC to do it, burn the damn thing into a disk and play on their hacked console. Oh yeah, they may keep one console intact for games they eventually buy too.

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Vicex wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Vicex wrote...

Stop pirating might help...


Reported.



For what? There was an article months back suggesting that is why many developers don't pay as much attention to PC gamers.... I think you jumped the gun too quick there.


You were trolling. Dont play cute. I've contacted a mod. If you have nothing to add other than to call PC gamers pirates, stay out of the thread.

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DragonRageGT wrote...

Vicex wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Vicex wrote...

Stop pirating might help...


Reported.



For what? There was an article months back suggesting that is why many developers don't pay as much attention to PC gamers.... I think you jumped the gun too quick there.


Go trolling somewhere else. Or you want me to link you some exclusive X-Box torrents? Console games are as much pirated as PC games. Only, they use a PC to do it, burn the damn thing into a disk and play on their hacked console. Oh yeah, they may keep one console intact for games they eventually buy too.


This^^

Piracy is just as bad for console games as it is PC games.

Telling people to "stop pirating" does not contribute to this thread and you clearly should never have posted here in the first place.

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They give us better textures for DA2, so we can hope. On the subject of piracy, games are often found on illegal sites like a couple of weeks before release so let's not start shall we?

Modifié par packardbell, 13 février 2012 - 01:21 .


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slimgrin wrote...

Vicex wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Vicex wrote...

Stop pirating might help...


Reported.



For what? There was an article months back suggesting that is why many developers don't pay as much attention to PC gamers.... I think you jumped the gun too quick there.


You were trolling. Dont play cute. I've contacted a mod. If you have nothing to add other than to call PC gamers pirates, stay out of the thread.


...really? This is what was talking about: http://www.destructo...s--193957.phtml

It makes sense to me, and no where did I say anything about every PC player doing it...

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AlanC9 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
Strange. Their policy regarding DA:O was just the opposite. Fair enough. They clearly don't support modding anymore. I'm hoping mods won't throw a red flag up with Origin though.


It doesn't really sound any different from their DA:O policy. If your mods broke the OC that wasn't their problem, which means they didn't "support" mods.


Then that's fine with me, cause I modded ME2 succesfully, if not extensively. But I'm wondering if the inclusion of Origin will affect that now.

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Then that's fine with me, cause I modded ME2 succesfully, if not extensively. But I'm wondering if the inclusion of Origin will affect that now.


It's possible Origin could have an impact on modding ME3, we will just have to wait and see.  However, I can say this, I have BF3, which is saddled with Origin and I have modded the SP side of the game and not had any problems.

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Vicex wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Vicex wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Vicex wrote...

Stop pirating might help...


Reported.



For what? There was an article months back suggesting that is why many developers don't pay as much attention to PC gamers.... I think you jumped the gun too quick there.


You were trolling. Dont play cute. I've contacted a mod. If you have nothing to add other than to call PC gamers pirates, stay out of the thread.


...really? This is what was talking about: http://www.destructo...s--193957.phtml

It makes sense to me, and no where did I say anything about every PC player doing it...


And clearly everyone in this forums owns a Bioware game, just look under the portrait, so stop trying to start something.

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Red flagging your game may only an issue with multiplayer and only changes to gameplay detectable with an anti cheat measure.
Cosmetic changes to the SP campaign such as dyes should not matter.
New Vegas invalidated achievments if you used the consol.
I think ME2 is still popped achieves no matter how much damage users did to their plot flags and the Coalesced.ini because they were in game only.
But then Dragonages achieves could be a get with consol cheats.
Guess we will have to see on release if someone gets banned for adding resources or a squadmate too early in the game state..

Has this changed with the implimentation of Origin? I doubt it EA only want to check game ownership via registration I think.

Modifié par lobi, 13 février 2012 - 01:37 .


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Vicex wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Vicex wrote...

Stop pirating might help...


Reported.



For what? There was an article months back suggesting that is why many developers don't pay as much attention to PC gamers.... I think you jumped the gun too quick there.


Not only do console games get pirated, but they also get traded and resold multiple times, and retailes encourage this with trade in bonuses. PC games aren't even tradable. You really thin console gaming is getting it any easier? Nope. This isn't about which platform loses the most sales, it's about ownership. They discourage PC gaming because it's not owned by a corporation, because Microsoft and sony and nintendo don't take a cut of each sale.

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Ringo12 wrote...

Vicex wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Vicex wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Vicex wrote...

Stop pirating might help...


Reported.



For what? There was an article months back suggesting that is why many developers don't pay as much attention to PC gamers.... I think you jumped the gun too quick there.


You were trolling. Dont play cute. I've contacted a mod. If you have nothing to add other than to call PC gamers pirates, stay out of the thread.


...really? This is what was talking about: http://www.destructo...s--193957.phtml

It makes sense to me, and no where did I say anything about every PC player doing it...


And clearly everyone in this forums owns a Bioware game, just look under the portrait, so stop trying to start something.

Everyone except him that is... hmmm... This thread must be seen by some mod like Chris Priestly... He comments on useless threads but not here? What kind of irony is this... 

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why quote pyramid an obvious?
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Modifié par lobi, 13 février 2012 - 01:39 .


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Mass Effect 3 CE PC is selling out just as fast as the 360.

Clearly pirating is a huge issue here... Oh, wait a second.

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Yeah, I know of plenty of people that "modded" their 360s to play ripped games, so piracy is a problem on all platforms. Irrelevant to this discussion.

As for PC graphics and why we care...it's simple. Most PC gamers invest in their gear to see the cutting edge. It's the same reason I bought an HDTV in 2000 even when there were no HD channels broadcasting in my area.

There is nothing wrong with liking great graphics. Of course gameplay matters for the quality of a game. But the wow factor is also nice. And, look at the new Batman Arkham City game...it is out for all three platforms but the PC version has DX11, high res textures, tesselation, etc. It makes my system crawl and there aren't that many games that do that! It looks fabulous.

And, who says I can't play my PC games on my big screen?

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Raxxman wrote...

Mass Effect 3 CE PC is selling out just as fast as the 360.

Clearly pirating is a huge issue here... Oh, wait a second.


And Portal 2 on PC sold better than on PS3 or 360.

http://www.destructo...s3-210194.phtml 

Cthulu Saves the World/Breath of Death outsold the 360 version in less than one week.

http://www.rockpaper...ust/#more-66985 

Hammer6767 wrote...

There is nothing wrong with liking great graphics. Of course gameplay matters for the quality of a game. But the wow factor is also nice. And, look at the new Batman Arkham City game...it is out for all three platforms but the PC version has DX11, high res textures, tesselation, etc. It makes my system crawl and there aren't that many games that do that! It looks fabulous.

And, who says I can't play my PC games on my big screen?


And Crysis 2 had a DX11 update, Battlefield 3 is gorgeous and I play Witcher and KoA on my tv also since they have gamepad support. It's great.

Modifié par Ringo12, 13 février 2012 - 01:44 .


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The entire ME franchise is a X360 game ported to PC and PS3 so I don't think they will release DX11 support and high-res textures for ME3.

And they don't have a big GPU maker sponsoring them to do this like Human Revolution or Arkham City had.