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[tetrisblock4x1]

lobi wrote...

PC v Consol flaming only gets the thread locked, take it to pm's guise.

Sorry, I had good intentions but I guess I got carried away.

[xX N7 Xx]

Here's an idea on how they'll listen. Stop bi***ing so much.

[Niemack Saarinen]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

daqs wrote...

Eh, it just needs a semicolon in place of one of the commas. Not a big deal.

Seriously? Even you should see what's wrong with that sentence.

Consoles are getting old and antiquated, they are holding back game graphics and tech continually, instead of keeping lock-in-step with PC systems which will always be superior.

"They are holding back game graphics and tech continually instead of keeping lock-in-step with PC systems which will ALWAYS be superior".

You're going to tell me there's nothing wrong with this sentence? How can a console keep in lock step with a PC if the PC will always be superior? It's an impossibility; it cannot happen. To be in lock step it would need to perform exactly as good as the PC (at the same level; the meaning of the phrase) but if the PC will always be superior, this can never happen.

If he meant that PC systems are superior in CONTROLS, VERSATILITY, and MODDING then he needs to clarify that because right now the sentence doesn't convey that clearly. Ergo he needs to revise the sentence.

I was saying, cutiepies like you need to let go of your death grip on controllers and keep with technology advancement instead of sitting there content with sub-par systems. <3<3

[Bleachrude]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Consoles are getting old and antiquated, they are holding back game graphics and tech continually, instead of keeping lock-in-step with PC systems which will always be superior.

This is _NOT_ a good thing.

The insistence on graphics IMO has been a detriment to videogame development as studios are spending way more money on graphics than on actual gameplay since people are judging games more on how they look than how they play...

[GuardianAngel470]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

If you answer yes, then I'll say it again: shut up and stop whining that you didn't get everything you wanted for christmas. If your version of the game is superior to that of the consoles, you have already been given more than any console player who pays $10 more than you for the game gets so you aren't entitled to ask for more.

Why not? So the console players pay more for less you say? Well boo freaking hoo. If people are getting ripped off according to you then it's their own dim witted fault for not been more aware of the technological superiour and (in the long term) cheaper alternative. The reason that they (the corporations) charge console gamers more for less is because they can, and the solution is smarten up. Pinning your frustration on the "privledged" PC gamers won't fix anything, and if more gamers would just explore the available options they can be privledged too. The fact that PC gamers are privledged can actually be attributed to their demanding an "whiny" nature of PC, and this is a general rule too, not just for gaming. The upper class people who live big, drive expensive cars and get paid more at work do so because they are "demanding", and "whiny". It's a choice.

I don't even know how you wrote that. If monetary expenditure doesn't entitle someone to extra content, I have no idea what in today's society does. You have not earned the right to request more for less. You are not the lifeblood of the company; console players are. You did not pay the same amount that that lifeblood did and yet you ask for "proper" keyboard and mouse support, high res textures, and proper AA support.

You weren't even supposed to get the game at all. But you did. And now you complain that it doesn't have the features you need. Some people lack so much perspective it's sickening.

Hey, you're the one that pointed out how "privledged" BSN is that Bioware is so generous. Did you happen to notice that in many cases that these favours that Bioware did for the community only happened after hundreds, or even thousands of pages worth of BSN members with "entitlement issues"? That's how you earn privledge matey, you have to make a fuss to convince the corporations that it's worth the effort. If BSN were like you Bioware wouldn't give us ****, and I want nothing to do with your train of thought.

Notice that I didn't quote the OP, whose argument I agree with, but others whose arguments were buried in those entitlement mentalities.

Have I argued against complaining? Have I said that Bioware shouldn't release a high res texture pack? If you read my initial post well enough to click on my link, you should know that I disagree with people demanding it. I disagree with people who take it as their mission to demonize Bioware and assume that everything they do is intended to screw with them personally.

I disagree with making assumptions based on a lack of evidence and with people who feel like they are owed something.

I'll give an example. I would freaking love mappable buttons for consoles. When Half Life 2 and its episodes did it, I loved it. Too few games in general do this. I even signed askacapper's petition regarding it because I want it a lot.

But I don't think I'm owed it. I bought the console and the games for it knowing what to expect, knowing that I'd get that freedom rarely if ever. I did what I could to get it, but I'm not going to spend hours on every game forum that I find relevant calling the devs dirty cheats because they wouldn't allow me to map my buttons.

I understand the logic behind all of those arguments (KBaM key mapping, AA, textures) and in many cases agree with them. I downloaded almost a dozen high res textures for my PC version of ME2. I messed extensively with the coalesced.ini file, I used texmod. But at no point did I feel like I was owed anything other than the game I bought.

You've misunderstood my position. Even in that thread I make it clear that constructive criticism is not just alright but necessary. But you can ask someone for a drink without calling them a water-hoarding a*shole.

[Vez04]

SliPaladin wrote...

 By watching the demo walkthrough on YouTube I can't help but notice how horrible the textures look (mainly the casual suit Shepard is wearing on the Earth mission). When they look horrible while watching it on a compressed YouTube video I can't imagine how awful they would look on my TV. Although I agree, graphics don't make a game but great graphics add to the overall experience. This is a thread about PC users, if we properly/kindly ask the developers on Twitter to release a high-res texture pack later on for the PC version, we would greatly appreciate it. Is anyone down on this? I'm sure mods will take care of textures but they require a lot more time while developers could do it faster.

Just be happy we PC players get a few extra thing the console players don't get.

Which is AA+more graphic options.

[lobi]

At this late stage if there are not HiRes already in the PC version game I doubt we will get access to them. Game is already coded to accept DLC stuff thats why it plugs in.
Is that demo that folks have been referenceing the leaked one? You may well be looking at an unpolished pre-final version.

Modifié par lobi, 12 février 2012 - 12:20 .

[Niemack Saarinen]

Bleachrude wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Consoles are getting old and antiquated, they are holding back game graphics and tech continually, instead of keeping lock-in-step with PC systems which will always be superior.

This is _NOT_ a good thing.

The insistence on graphics IMO has been a detriment to videogame development as studios are spending way more money on graphics than on actual gameplay since people are judging games more on how they look than how they play...

With PC's you can have your cake and eat it too.  with the money people spend on consoles and LIVE subscriptions the the like,  they could afford a very decent computer.   And your logic is fail since its already been stated that they "HAVE" the high rez textures, but they wont release them,  a PC can handle it, whereas consoles cannot; hence why people are having this discussion - PC should get them, you can be happy with what you have thats your god given right, but PC users shouldn't be punished for ports.

[tetrisblock4x1]

I'd actually like it if the next generation of consoles weren't announced for the next few years. I think that developers have just about squeezed as much juice out of the old hardware as possible, so all that's left for them to focus on is to be the best developers that they can be and not mind the graphics so much.

[Kusy]

It's not a matter of putting in effort in releasing higher definition textures. The actual effort in it (bureaucracy aside) is minimal. It's more about will (and bureaucracy).

And if you want the company to pay attention, make a huge thread about it, create a facebook group or whatever that is, spam twitter... and when your action reaches it's apex, where you can't possibly control it anymore, send a word to Kotaku. From there it gets to all the other "industry media" and then the company will listen because despite them not giving a damn about the case - they don't want to look bad.

Magic.

[Severyx]

Why not just have high-resolution textures be a free "DLC"-ish download for PC players, similar to the way Bethesda did with Skyrim? That way it's entirely optional, and still there if people want it. The work there would be just getting the uncompressed textures in a DLC-ready format for users to download.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

It's not a matter of putting in effort in releasing higher definition textures. The actual effort in it (bureaucracy aside) is minimal. It's more about will (and bureaucracy).

And if you want the company to pay attention, make a huge thread about it, create a facebook group or whatever that is, spam twitter... and when your action reaches it's apex, where you can't possibly control it anymore, send a word to Kotaku. From there it gets to all the other "industry media" and then the company will listen because despite them not giving a damn about the case - they don't want to look bad.

Magic.

And tthis will be that thread.

VIVA REVOLUTION

[tetrisblock4x1]

@ Guardian: I don't demonize Bioware, just the business men that publish their games. I like Bioware, they've kept me entertained for a very long time now, but publishers in general are the cancer of gaming, I swear.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 12 février 2012 - 12:24 .

[GuardianAngel470]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

@ Guardian: I don't demonize Bioware, just the business men that publish their games. Publishers in general are the cancer of gaming, I swear.

Yeah, they kind of are.

[Kusy]

Severyx wrote...

Why not just have high-resolution textures be a free "DLC"-ish download for PC players, similar to the way Bethesda did with Skyrim? That way it's entirely optional, and still there if people want it. The work there would be just getting the uncompressed textures in a DLC-ready format for users to download.

Why not have it like Battlefield 3 had? And by that I mean
RELESED WITH THE FUDGING GAME AS IT FUDGING SHOULD ALWAYS BE.

Just my two cents. But then again, Battlefield 3 was more targeted on PCs so the choice to give us PC-players that much as bigger maps, bigger matches and better resolution textures was a naturall choice. 

[Severyx]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

And tthis will be that thread.

VIVA REVOLUTION

We need some I SUPPORT HIGH RESOLUTION TEXTURES FOR PC banners up in here. I'd totally sport one of those.

[Costin_Razvan]

One thing that should be considered is that generally the PC versions of ME1 and ME2 look better then the console versions, in some cases a hell lot better. I suspect this will be the same for ME3.

That said, give me my damned HD textures.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 12 février 2012 - 12:27 .

[Kusy]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

@ Guardian: I don't demonize Bioware, just the business men that publish their games. I like Bioware, they've kept me entertained for a very long time now, but publishers in general are the cancer of gaming, I swear.

Gaming industry is too young to have cancers. It's also too young to understand that indefinitely pissing off your consumers is not good for you.

[Robhuzz]

Raxxman wrote...

SealKudos wrote...


But seriously, nobody cares about PC gamers anymore.  Unless you're an indie dev, or a lesser-known dev, or... well, anyone who isn't into huge marketing.  Any game with EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc. slapped on their box could care less.
 

Valve and Blizzard still continue to publish with a definite bias away from consoles.

Riot's league of legends is by far the most watched esport in existence ever. By a huge huge huge margin (we're talking in the region of 200 to 300k viewers for big finals).

PC marketing is still strong and thriving, it's just moved to different areas.

*edit* quotes going crazy here.

You left out CDProjekt:crying:. At least they see the potential of the pc and see how ancient console technology is just keeping the industry back, the next gen consoles won't change that. Even before so much as starting up The Witcher 2, just opening the graphics menu shows they were serious about their PC game.

Sadly as long as there's more money to be made making archaic (read: console) games and then making a port for PC, EA isn't going to care. Ubisoft showed long ago they don't care about the PC market judging from their rediculous DRM.

[GuardianAngel470]

Severyx wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

And tthis will be that thread.

VIVA REVOLUTION

We need some I SUPPORT HIGH RESOLUTION TEXTURES FOR PC banners up in here. I'd totally sport one of those.

As would I.

[Fredvdp]

They could do it like SWTOR where textures in dialog sequences and cinematics are a higher resolution than during normal gameplay. Maybe that would even work on consoles. I don't mind the textures as much during the fighting as during cutscenes where the camea zooms in on that pixelated mess.

Not too long Dragon Age Origins got a new patch on PC. I asked when they would release a high res texture pack for ME2 on PC, since they still support older games, and Chris Priestly's reply was that ME2 already has high res textures. I hope this isn't the opinion of the rest of the Mass Effect team.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 12 février 2012 - 12:32 .

[Severyx]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Why not have it like Battlefield 3 had? And by that I mean
RELESED WITH THE FUDGING GAME AS IT FUDGING SHOULD ALWAYS BE.

Just my two cents. But then again, Battlefield 3 was more targeted on PCs so the choice to give us PC-players that much as bigger maps, bigger matches and better resolution textures was a naturall choice.

Well, as someone who knows the dev cycle from the inside (Game design student), I can easily say that offering the textures as a DLC option for PC players would require far, far less work and internal politics. Since the content for the base game has already been locked out (and approved, if the demo is live), this is literally the easiest and least expensive option for BioWare (that I know of).

[Severyx]

Also, a note to the OP: Perhaps the thread title should be changed to more reflect that of a support thread for High-Rez textures. Positive community effort is the best way to get noticed. :>

[Sargerus]

i really don't understand what Bioware have against High resolution textures on PC. First the previous ME games with horrible low textures, then the SWTOR textures fiasco and now this...