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[Trelow-LMG]

I'm not well versed in the lore, I swing axes at face for a living, but how do I, a dwarf, end up in the Fade for the Circle Tower quests? Yea, yea sloth demon, but I thought I had no connection to the fade at all, so even if I was there, how would I "be" there, if ya know what I be saying dawg? Maybe it's the long shift, maybe it's the ale, maybe it's the wtf, but I'm comfuggled.

[HoLyEmperor]

I was wondering this too, honestly.

[Rizniik]

Do you ACTUALLY know what happened to you whilst you were passed out during The Joining?



It starts with a P and involves stuff that kids aren't allowed to hear nor see, hence the black screen.

[HoLyEmperor]

Rizniik wrote...

Do you ACTUALLY know what happened to you whilst you were passed out during The Joining?

It starts with a P and involves stuff that kids aren't allowed to hear nor see, hence the black screen.

lol.

So, how does that give a dwarf a connection to the Fade?  

[TuringPoint]

What does the Joining have to do with this?



I was wondering about it. Would've been cool if a dwarf could be like, "aw, wtf is everyone getting sleepy for? *axe to face of demon, the end*"

[Rizniik]

HoLyEmperor wrote...

Rizniik wrote...

Do you ACTUALLY know what happened to you whilst you were passed out during The Joining?

It starts with a P and involves stuff that kids aren't allowed to hear nor see, hence the black screen.

lol.

So, how does that give a dwarf a connection to the Fade?  

Oh-- you don't want to know, trust me.

[SilkyChicken]

Rizniik wrote...

Do you ACTUALLY know what happened to you whilst you were passed out during The Joining?

It starts with a P and involves stuff that kids aren't allowed to hear nor see, hence the black screen.

P stands for Pie.

I think what you were looking for was S, for sodomy. ewww.

[Rizniik]

SilkyChicken wrote...

Rizniik wrote...

Do you ACTUALLY know what happened to you whilst you were passed out during The Joining?

It starts with a P and involves stuff that kids aren't allowed to hear nor see, hence the black screen.

P stands for Pie.

I think what you were looking for was S, for sodomy. ewww.

The pie is a lie.

[Trelow-LMG]

Alocormin wrote...

What does the Joining have to do with this?

I was wondering about it. Would've been cool if a dwarf could be like, "aw, wtf is everyone getting sleepy for? *axe to face of demon, the end*"

Or even if we skipped that part as a dwarf, but had to play as the lesser folk. When they get done, come back to me fondling my dearest Lel eatting a sammach.

[Suron]

Alocormin wrote...

What does the Joining have to do with this?

I was wondering about it. Would've been cool if a dwarf could be like, "aw, wtf is everyone getting sleepy for? *axe to face of demon, the end*"

just because dwarves can't do magic doesn't mean they're not affected by it...does your dwarf resist every spell thrown at them?

uh huh...

the sloth demon pulled you into the fade with magic.....you are no less susceptible to magic then anyone else..you just can't ever learn to toss fireballs out of your arse

[Serogon]

Suron, you missed the whole point. Dwarves are completely incapable of entering the fade...

[Trelow-LMG]

Suron wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

What does the Joining have to do with this?

I was wondering about it. Would've been cool if a dwarf could be like, "aw, wtf is everyone getting sleepy for? *axe to face of demon, the end*"

just because dwarves can't do magic doesn't mean they're not affected by it...does your dwarf resist every spell thrown at them?

uh huh...

the sloth demon pulled you into the fade with magic.....you are no less susceptible to magic then anyone else..you just can't ever learn to toss fireballs out of your arse

But I don't have a connection to the fade. I wouldn't know I was there. The lesser folk enter the fade when they dream, and the wizards can piddle about, but I gots no connection!

[HoLyEmperor]

Suron wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

What does the Joining have to do with this?

I was wondering about it. Would've been cool if a dwarf could be like, "aw, wtf is everyone getting sleepy for? *axe to face of demon, the end*"

just because dwarves can't do magic doesn't mean they're not affected by it...does your dwarf resist every spell thrown at them?

uh huh...

the sloth demon pulled you into the fade with magic.....you are no less susceptible to magic then anyone else..you just can't ever learn to toss fireballs out of your arse

Ahh, so dwarves can go INTO the Fade, even though they have no connection WITH the Fade.  I don't buy it.  When your characters go into the Fade, they aren't really IN the fade.  They're lying facedown on the floor dreaming.  It's their connection WITH the Fade that lets them go.  

How does the dwarf get there with no connection to the Fade?

(Unless my understanding of dwarf lore is completely wrong?)

Edit:  Apparently it takes the entire life force of a human or a group of Circle Magi to send someone to the Fade.  And even then, they can only send another mage, a person who's connection is strong.  Hmm.

Modifié par HoLyEmperor, 24 novembre 2009 - 04:59 .

[TuringPoint]

Well, the silent sister of Dragon Age: The Calling had some awareness in the fade when the demon had put her there. I guess demons that have crossed the veil have some ability to influence dwarves into the fade.



I just thought it would've been funnier to give the dwarf something unique like that

[Trelow-LMG]

Alocormin wrote...

Well, the silent sister of Dragon Age: The Calling had some awareness in the fade when the demon had put her there. I guess demons that have crossed the veil have some ability to influence dwarves into the fade.

I just thought it would've been funnier to give the dwarf something unique like that

I'd say to muck about and bend our will to other forms is slight more than "some awareness."  I'm just tring to understand it better. Hell, I'll take "A wizard did it" if I have to, just would have really enjoyed that sammach.

[Sarethus]

Do dwarves really have *no* connection to the fade? Because if they don't have any connection then they should not dream at all and have very dull emotions. I thought they just had a more restricted access to the fade rather then no connection at all.

[Rugaru]

No it says in game that dwarfs have 0 connection to the fade. They can still dream they just don't have fade dreams, and emotions are in no way tied to the fade. If you are referencing Tranquil about the emotion thing that is just because they are magically lobotomized and have parts of their brains removed. Dwarves on the hand for whatever reason don't have any connection with the fade at all.



That said I think the excuse is that the joining connects you to everything with the taint and in that way you "gain" a connection through other wardens, or the archdemon or what have you.

[Aldandil]

Does Oghren follow into the Fade?



Hey, I'd love it if dwarves simply didn't have to go through the Fade. I'd play a dwarf every time.

[Deadly]

I think the dwarves, when they go to the surface, are no more linked to the Stone and the Paragons are meaningless for you, once you become a Grey Warden. You lose your caste betweeen the ranks of your people, so there is no need to be buried in the Stone anymore.



This is why you become susceptible to the Fade, imo.

[Haasth]

Deadly wrote...

I think the dwarves, when they go to the surface, are no more linked to the Stone and the Paragons are meaningless for you, once you become a Grey Warden. You lose your caste betweeen the ranks of your people, so there is no need to be buried in the Stone anymore.

This is why you become susceptible to the Fade, imo.

That is simply talk from the Dwarves if you ask me. Pretty much like most of what the Chantry claims are simply claims. It's their belief, their religion. The truth of the matter is that the years and years living surrounded by all the Lyrium inside the stone has nullified their ability to cast magic. Would a dwarf go to the surface he or she would still have that in her or his genes, now perhaps eventually surface Dwarves would regain their ability to cast magic but this would take generations.

As for the Fade. It is stated that every living being, with exception to the Dwarves, go into the fade when they dream. It is also stated that only Mages can activily control themselves while in the Fade with the exception of people being forced into the fade against their will. (Like the Sloth demon does, thus explaining non-Mages such as say a Human Warrior to walk around in the Fade)

How this affects Dwarves is still a little odd. It is stated multiple times that they have no connection to the Fade (Unless possibly newer generations of Surface Dwarves) thus Oghren nor the dwarf PC should be influenced by the Fade. However as the Sloth Demon forces them through Magic, I suppose that is the only reasonable explanation. Dwarves are not immune to magic, just inheritly resistant.

Modifié par Haasth, 24 novembre 2009 - 01:05 .

[daguest]

Dwarf go into the fade. But they can't use the lyrium vein inside for life/stamina.
Dwarf are not totally immune to magic, and according to a npc discussion, more time they spend on the surface, less they are immune. Something about the lyrium everywhere in the stone. Even if they will never be mage, they can be hit by magic, and enter the fade (with the awesome power of the sloth demon).

Modifié par daguest, 24 novembre 2009 - 01:02 .

[Naelven]

If you brought Oghren with you to the Tower he does allude to the unusual nature of a dwarf being stuck in the Fade. So I guess there's that.

[Tennmuerti]

When the sloth demon saw that you were a dwarf he sprayed some hallucinogens in your face and you had a mind trip. Upon waking up you realised that hallucinogen increased your attributes because it had hormones in it and you also had a better understanding of the world so that your cunning and willpower increased etc...



The reason you saw others in the fade is because sloth was trying out a mind link to make it more trippy.

[Valfreyja]

Deadly wrote...

I think the dwarves, when they go to the surface, are no more linked to the Stone and the Paragons are meaningless for you, once you become a Grey Warden. You lose your caste betweeen the ranks of your people, so there is no need to be buried in the Stone anymore.

This is why you become susceptible to the Fade, imo.

Wrong on that one. If you join the Grey Wardens you keep your status and caste even if you go to the surface. That's explained in one of the codex entries and was a motion passed by a dwarven king long long before the Ferelden present day.

[Deadly]

bjornis wrote...

Deadly wrote...

I think the dwarves, when they go to the surface, are no more linked to the Stone and the Paragons are meaningless for you, once you become a Grey Warden. You lose your caste betweeen the ranks of your people, so there is no need to be buried in the Stone anymore.

This is why you become susceptible to the Fade, imo.

Wrong on that one. If you join the Grey Wardens you keep your status and caste even if you go to the surface. That's explained in one of the codex entries and was a motion passed by a dwarven king long long before the Ferelden present day.

yeah, but i was talking about dwarven Grey Wardens that go to the surface to face the darkspawn (the character you play, for example), they get exiled don't they?
Also, when you enter Lothering, Alistair tells you that you are now a Warden, and because of that the nobles that exiled you cannot arm you in any way, when you go to Orzammar (i have not yet reached it, so i don't know what happens).