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[VideoGames]

Don't forget that Earth i the tutorial level. Straight after Earth, Shepard goes diractly to the council to talk to them about the Reapers, and I imagine some things would be clarified on the Normandy/while Shepard's talking to the council.

[GnusmasTHX]

VideoGames wrote...

Don't forget that Earth i the tutorial level. Straight after Earth, Shepard goes diractly to the council to talk to them about the Reapers, and I imagine some things would be clarified on the Normandy/while Shepard's talking to the council.

Pretty sure he goes to Mars.

[Wynne]

didymos1120 wrote...

Wynne wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

I'm telling you guys, I remember a dev tweeting that there wasn't going to be a trial. Check the twitter thread it's bound to be in there. I know what I saw.

Did it say that the trial was cut from the *game* or the *demo*? Because that's a HUGELY important difference.

All I remember along those lines was Mac Walters saying it wasn't an actual trial with charges laid and lawyers and everything, but more of an inquiry.

Ah, yes... that, I remember, too. Trial vs. inquiry/inquest is only a minor clarification in my book. I wouldn't mind if it was somewhat informal--I'm sure that now that evidence is coming in, the Alliance is a lot more willing to listen to and publicly acknowledge Shepard than in ME1.

But I do want the delicious feeling of Shepard FINALLY experiencing catharsis and vindication after the frustrating Cassandra Truths of the previous two games. This certainly seems to indicate that it will happen to some degree.

Modifié par Wynne, 12 février 2012 - 01:53 .

[N00blet666]

didymos1120 wrote...

Wynne wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

I'm telling you guys, I remember a dev tweeting that there wasn't going to be a trial. Check the twitter thread it's bound to be in there. I know what I saw.

Did it say that the trial was cut from the *game* or the *demo*? Because that's a HUGELY important difference.

All I remember along those lines was Mac Walters saying it wasn't an actual trial with charges laid and lawyers and everything, but more of an inquiry.

I'm okay with an inquiry.

[Robhuzz]

*Sighs*

Play ME1 and 2 like it was meant to. Problem solved.

[Nu-Nu]

It wasn't confusing but it did feel rushed but then again intro to ME1 and ME2 pretty much just dropped you into the s***.

Modifié par Nu-Nu, 12 février 2012 - 01:57 .

[Wynne]

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

I. Know. But. Still.

 Please don't play the game below.  It's not fun, and it has no positive outcomes. Whatever the final game will be, we have no inkling about it until we at least see reviews--but even reviews can be misleading, as the demo reviews which often say either "everything is perfect!" or "everything sucks!" or anything in between will tell you. The only way to know whether the game feels rushed is to play the game, not the demo.

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Modifié par Wynne, 12 février 2012 - 02:08 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Compared to that piece of crap intro that I HATE watching every single ****ing time I replay ME2 this is 100 times better. It gets to the gist of it of Reapers invading, any other questions can be answered AFTER Shepard leaves Earth to Mars ( which is probably the 2nd level of the game ) will answer them.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 12 février 2012 - 02:13 .

[Stalker]

I could be way too optimistic, but what if this is just the intro for ME3-created characters and all the imported ones will get a backstory that would just confuse new players.

[Jorina Leto]

This is the beginning. There is no trial. A trial wouldn't have the action EA Bioware wants.

[StephanieBengal]

LOL it feels rushed?! UHHHHHH the Reapers attack Earth, what do you want Shepard to do? Order a pizza?!

It's fine.

[StephanieBengal]

Jorina Leto wrote...

This is the beginning. There is no trial. A trial wouldn't have the action EA Bioware wants.

You're wrong, already been confirm there is one. 

[King Minos]

StephanieBengal wrote...

Jorina Leto wrote...

This is the beginning. There is no trial. A trial wouldn't have the action EA Bioware wants.

You're wrong, already been confirm there is one. 

I remember reading that the trial is only for people who have not imported their game, I'm guessing similiar to how the comic worked. Correct me if i am wrong, i don't know what is going on.

Modifié par King Minos, 12 février 2012 - 02:22 .

[Kouper]

At this point why would BioWare want to try and keep on top of you lot's unsufferable whining?

[Il Divo]

Terror_K wrote...

No, it was definitely rushed. I know what you're getting at, but the whole thing felt like it was just trying to cut to the chase too quickly and important questions weren't being asked that should have been. It's a bit too jittery and jarry, and moments that should have had a bit more time and things that should have been either dwelled on more or focused on more were just glossed by. Especially considering how the player really isn't connected to the previous game much at all.

Whether something is "rushed" or simply "fast paced" comes down to execution and context. ME2 is an example of an introduction that's fast-paced and cuts to the chase fairly quickly, but it works rather well and doesn't feel rushed or clumsy about it. ME3's intro should have been a bit slower paced for a start, and then hit the accelerator when The Reapers arrived. The fast pace and the fact everybody knows what's coming kind of ends up neutering their actual arrival, which, IMO, would have had a greater impact had it been more sudden and had only Shepard been the one worried. Everybody wetting their pants before the action hits doesn't have as much an effect as a moment that seems perfectly normal and "safe" where the bigwigs are confident that there's nothing to worry about.

I think this is a great point, and to add to it, it's a concern because Bioware needs to "set the mood" before the Reaper invasion. I'm not saying that I want a 5-10 hour experience before Earth is attacked, but a good 15-20 min. gap for the game to thoroughly explore what Earth is like, what's happened in the gap since ME2, and how people perceive Shepard's claims is absolutely critical.

The best comparison I can think of for how not to do it was the Darkness 2. The premise of the game (since the first one) is that your character (Jackie Estacado) has been focusing his will to keep the Darkness contained inside him when a mob hit forces him to release it again to save his life. The problem is, the game barely allows any time for the player to get his bearings on what the character's life has been like up until the point. The game starts and within five minutes, your character is back in the saddle killing people with demon powers. I don't want ME3 to do something similar mishandling the Reapers' intro.

And note: these are just perceptions based on what I'm hearing. I have not (and probably will not) play the demo.

Modifié par Il Divo, 12 février 2012 - 02:26 .

[DJBare]

matt-bassist wrote...

Uh, I dont know, maybe the fact that the game suddenly jumps ahead an untold number of months; youre suddenly discharged, best friends with Vega... oh yeah AND the Reapers are already here. maybe its not confusing, but its jarring and poorly paced. like BioWare was too eager to get to the big explosions and shooting to build up any sort of tension or drama.

it intro just... is. it doesn't introduce anything, except an Earth smack-down Reaper style.

If I were a new comer to the game, that would be acceptable as I'd assume that's the story, but as someone who has played both ME1 and ME2, then Vega has just popped up out of no where.

Modifié par DJBare, 12 février 2012 - 02:28 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

We just have to make sure this baby stays on the front page. Only way to get an answer to this question.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 12 février 2012 - 02:42 .

[Wynne]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I could be way too optimistic, but what if this is just the intro for ME3-created characters and all the imported ones will get a backstory that would just confuse new players.

Seems likely--Jennifer Hale said in videos that the game "rewrites itself" for you. It's been said by Mac Walters that new players will get different dialogue than old ones.

So that would contradict the idea presented in the OP.

Modifié par Wynne, 12 février 2012 - 02:43 .

[lukex38]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I could be way too optimistic, but what if this is just the intro for ME3-created characters and all the imported ones will get a backstory that would just confuse new players.

yea i was thinking the same thing, i hope thats what it is,
when i watched the demo, it seemed a bit rushed, as hardcore mass effect fan, i would like for a very long cutscence even if you only get too pick a few things too say,
i want too see when you come too earth, and go on trial, or even its not a trial, its just some meeting with anderson, or something

[NightAntilli]

I don't get how new players would be confused. Sure, they wouldn't know the details, but they would know enough. It becomes clear in the conversations that Shepard has done something outrageous and that he lost his military status because of it. It's also clear that because he knows a lot of the Reaper threat, which is explained in the little text intro at the beginning regarding what they are, that they let him off easy and kept him around in case they needed him.

Sure, you don't know how you know Vega. So what? It is enough to know that somehow they share a past and have grown close over that time. Same goes for Ashley/Kaiden. Details can come later. It doesn't cause any confusion. It just raises clear questions.

Regarding the trial and stuff, if you actually pay attention, Anderson asks Ashley/Kaiden how "it" went. We don't know what that was about.. So.. Those details will probably also come later. And lastly.. It's been confirmed that there will be a comic to new players, so that can also bring them up to speed.

Don't be such drama queens.

[lukex38]

hasnt it been almost a year since the end of ME2 so, if the demo intro is the full game intro, that then is retarded,

in the time frame of say an hour you have gone from having a small chat with some alliance people, too killing husks, then the mission after the first, is on the red planet, trying too find something

[chengthao]

you should do what i'm going to do . . . wait until March 6 (9)

[Wulfram]

The most difficult to pull off intro likely isn't the one for people who are new to the series, but the one for people who played ME2 but not Arrival.

Modifié par Wulfram, 12 février 2012 - 03:05 .