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[GIJooTheWarHero]

ElitePinecone wrote...

paul165 wrote...

Bottom line it makes no sense for either biotic!Shep or spacer!Shep to go the enlisted route rather than going straight into military academy at Arcturus.

Doubt there will ever be a final answer though so I suspect it boils down to individual headcanon.

Yeah, this. No sense at all. Particularly with spacerShep's parents both being officers, having lived among the military for eighteen years, knowing heaps about the Alliance's methods...

I'm just assuming some terrible calamity meant officer school was full that year, or something.

We don't know if service academies exist in ME. And why wouldn't a Spacer want to enlist? If he lived most of his early life on a ship, he would have interacted with the enlisted personel just as much as the officers. And, for as far as we know, you have to enlist first in the Alliance before you can get a commission.

As for a bioticShep. No idea there. Maybe he didn't go to that special training?

[incinerator950]

Han Shot First wrote...

Shepard started off as an enlisted man. That is canon. He 'enlisted' when he was 18. Officers don't enlist, they are commissioned. That, and at 18 years old he would have been too young to be an officer.

Shepard being prior-enlisted just makes him more of an interesting character in my book. Some of the best officers I met while I was in the Marines were Mustangs. (prior enlisted)

I've met more Warrant Officers I liked then Officers.

[incinerator950]

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

paul165 wrote...

Bottom line it makes no sense for either biotic!Shep or spacer!Shep to go the enlisted route rather than going straight into military academy at Arcturus.

Doubt there will ever be a final answer though so I suspect it boils down to individual headcanon.

Yeah, this. No sense at all. Particularly with spacerShep's parents both being officers, having lived among the military for eighteen years, knowing heaps about the Alliance's methods...

I'm just assuming some terrible calamity meant officer school was full that year, or something.

We don't know if service academies exist in ME. And why wouldn't a Spacer want to enlist? If he lived most of his early life on a ship, he would have interacted with the enlisted personel just as much as the officers. And, for as far as we know, you have to enlist first in the Alliance before you can get a commission.

As for a bioticShep. No idea there. Maybe he didn't go to that special training?

Don't know either, like I said, use plot device as an explanation.

[GIJooTheWarHero]

incinerator950 wrote...

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

paul165 wrote...

Bottom line it makes no sense for either biotic!Shep or spacer!Shep to go the enlisted route rather than going straight into military academy at Arcturus.

Doubt there will ever be a final answer though so I suspect it boils down to individual headcanon.

Yeah, this. No sense at all. Particularly with spacerShep's parents both being officers, having lived among the military for eighteen years, knowing heaps about the Alliance's methods...

I'm just assuming some terrible calamity meant officer school was full that year, or something.

We don't know if service academies exist in ME. And why wouldn't a Spacer want to enlist? If he lived most of his early life on a ship, he would have interacted with the enlisted personel just as much as the officers. And, for as far as we know, you have to enlist first in the Alliance before you can get a commission.

As for a bioticShep. No idea there. Maybe he didn't go to that special training?

Don't know either, like I said, use plot device as an explanation.

I like to think that Shepard was exposed to free-flowing refined eezo during Normandy's destruction and that caused the nodules to form in his nervous system so when he was revived...BAM, biotics.

[paul165]

Han Shot First wrote...

Shepard started off as an enlisted man. That is canon. He 'enlisted' when he was 18. Officers don't enlist, they are commissioned. That, and at 18 years old he would have been too young to be an officer.

Shepard being prior-enlisted just makes him more of an interesting character in my book. Some of the best officers I met while I was in the Marines were Mustangs. (prior enlisted)

Unless you 'enlist' in the academy as a cadet/midshipman and then are commissioned on leaving several years later. Shepard strikes me as way too young to be a mustang (short of serious Canon-Sue mode anyway).

YMMV

If Shepard did it then I suppose that it makes sense that Williams - no sorry still can't face writing that.

[Prom001]

@FeralEwok

I really really like your story and already copyed it for private use.

@ElitePinecone

maybe shepard enlisted as an spacer to show that he is not favoured?

[Osena109]

Prom001 wrote...

So I wonder. In 2,5 to 3 years people get promoted pretty fast.

Kadian gets promoted from Staff Lieutenant, 3 ranks to Major.

Ash is even better going from the NCO rank Gunnery Chief, 5 ranks up to Lieutenant Commander, some rank as Shep.

I know i know but got nothing better to do at the moment and yes I know the alliance millitary is not the US Navy/USMC.

p.s.: Worst example of this is  the new awful so called "star trek" movie where 3 year cadet Kirk get promoted to Captain.

Kadien  was  a 2ed  LT

[incinerator950]

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

paul165 wrote...

Bottom line it makes no sense for either biotic!Shep or spacer!Shep to go the enlisted route rather than going straight into military academy at Arcturus.

Doubt there will ever be a final answer though so I suspect it boils down to individual headcanon.

Yeah, this. No sense at all. Particularly with spacerShep's parents both being officers, having lived among the military for eighteen years, knowing heaps about the Alliance's methods...

I'm just assuming some terrible calamity meant officer school was full that year, or something.

We don't know if service academies exist in ME. And why wouldn't a Spacer want to enlist? If he lived most of his early life on a ship, he would have interacted with the enlisted personel just as much as the officers. And, for as far as we know, you have to enlist first in the Alliance before you can get a commission.

As for a bioticShep. No idea there. Maybe he didn't go to that special training?

Don't know either, like I said, use plot device as an explanation.

I like to think that Shepard was exposed to free-flowing refined eezo during Normandy's destruction and that caused the nodules to form in his nervous system so when he was revived...BAM, biotics.

I've had an Adept in both games.  However, I don't use a Role playing explanation for why I changed my class.  I didn't like such and such, changed it because Bioware was nice.

[FeralEwok]

Prom001 wrote...

@FeralEwok

I really really like your story and already copyed it for private use.

Damn I should have copyrighted that...

Eh..just spread it around and stamp my name on it.

Maybe BW will hire me

[GIJooTheWarHero]

incinerator950 wrote...

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

paul165 wrote...

Bottom line it makes no sense for either biotic!Shep or spacer!Shep to go the enlisted route rather than going straight into military academy at Arcturus.

Doubt there will ever be a final answer though so I suspect it boils down to individual headcanon.

Yeah, this. No sense at all. Particularly with spacerShep's parents both being officers, having lived among the military for eighteen years, knowing heaps about the Alliance's methods...

I'm just assuming some terrible calamity meant officer school was full that year, or something.

We don't know if service academies exist in ME. And why wouldn't a Spacer want to enlist? If he lived most of his early life on a ship, he would have interacted with the enlisted personel just as much as the officers. And, for as far as we know, you have to enlist first in the Alliance before you can get a commission.

As for a bioticShep. No idea there. Maybe he didn't go to that special training?

Don't know either, like I said, use plot device as an explanation.

I like to think that Shepard was exposed to free-flowing refined eezo during Normandy's destruction and that caused the nodules to form in his nervous system so when he was revived...BAM, biotics.

I've had an Adept in both games.  However, I don't use a Role playing explanation for why I changed my class.  I didn't like such and such, changed it because Bioware was nice.

All the classes felt too samey for me in ME1. It makes no difference to me as to why I changed classes, obviously, but it's still kind of nice in a weird way to think that's how it happened.

[ElitePinecone]

Prom001 wrote...

@ElitePinecone

maybe shepard enlisted as an spacer to show that he is not favoured?

That's always possible, yeah. 

Or they just preferred grunt work to being an officer on a ship (or in the Marines).

Or, becoming a commissioned officer requires enlisting first. It's weird, but who knows?

[incinerator950]

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

paul165 wrote...

Bottom line it makes no sense for either biotic!Shep or spacer!Shep to go the enlisted route rather than going straight into military academy at Arcturus.

Doubt there will ever be a final answer though so I suspect it boils down to individual headcanon.

Yeah, this. No sense at all. Particularly with spacerShep's parents both being officers, having lived among the military for eighteen years, knowing heaps about the Alliance's methods...

I'm just assuming some terrible calamity meant officer school was full that year, or something.

We don't know if service academies exist in ME. And why wouldn't a Spacer want to enlist? If he lived most of his early life on a ship, he would have interacted with the enlisted personel just as much as the officers. And, for as far as we know, you have to enlist first in the Alliance before you can get a commission.

As for a bioticShep. No idea there. Maybe he didn't go to that special training?

Don't know either, like I said, use plot device as an explanation.

I like to think that Shepard was exposed to free-flowing refined eezo during Normandy's destruction and that caused the nodules to form in his nervous system so when he was revived...BAM, biotics.

I've had an Adept in both games.  However, I don't use a Role playing explanation for why I changed my class.  I didn't like such and such, changed it because Bioware was nice.

All the classes felt too samey for me in ME1. It makes no difference to me as to why I changed classes, obviously, but it's still kind of nice in a weird way to think that's how it happened.

ME 2 felt like it was scripted to be played as a Soldier.

[Prom001]

FeralEwok wrote...

Prom001 wrote...

@FeralEwok

I really really like your story and already copyed it for private use.

Damn I should have copyrighted that...

Eh..just spread it around and stamp my name on it.

Maybe BW will hire me

willl do that

[GIJooTheWarHero]

incinerator950 wrote...

ME 2 felt like it was scripted to be played as a Soldier.

There was a lot of gunplay, yeah, but I didn't feel too penalized for using caster classes. All the classes are fun now, though.

[Apophis2412]

We know from Me1 that Ashley had an exemplary record and perfect technical scores. She was not being promoted however because of her family.

Perhaps after Me1 the Alliance decide to give her the rank she should have had?

[Han Shot First]

Take any of the three backgrounds for Shepard. He enlists at 18. He goes to basic where he gets a boot up his ass on Titan for about 9 weeks. Seeing as how he has no higher education he is an enlisted marine. Say he does pretty good and manages to graduate basic and his technical school (if he had one) at the top of his class. So his CO promotes him once. He is then sent to his duty station to now serve. He does a good job blah blah blah and in a year he is promoted again along with most other privates that went in the same time he did. So now he is around a 3rd rank (dont know the Alliance one...probably should look it up.) So I am just going to say he is a private first class. Now if he works really hard and pleases the brass he can make Corporal in about say under 36 months. He does. Now he has a job as a team lead and boy is he working his butt off...he is wanting those stripes. Sure enough he makes it past the 3 year marker and is now eligable for Sergeant.

He does his warrior leader courses, yells at a few privates and before you know it BAM! He's ready for Sergeant. They promote him and he is now a squad leader. He's worked hard and says "You know what? I collected all this leave so I am going to take some time off for awhile. I hear Elysiam is nice this time of year." He goes and what do you know? Batarian raiders come and start shooting the place up. Shepard being the bad ass he is holds them off by organising an improvised defense all while off-duty.

Word spreads around. News stories want to interview him, and his commanding officer recommends him for the star of tera. Upon recieving the star of Tera they say "You know what Shepard? You're a pretty BMF. Let's send you to officer training." He goes and easy peasy he comes out a LT. in just over 4 years of Service. Now because he is such a BMF he decides to drop a packet for Spec Ops training. He goes and sure enough once again he passes top of his class and is off doing crazy stuff for the Alliance. Kicking ass and taking names. It's only a matter of time inside spec ops he recieves the rank of Commander. 5 more years to be exact.

Then ME1 happens.

I think this post pretty much nails it. The only addition I'd make is that I think Shepard  also obtained a college degree while he was in the Marines. (night courses, online, ect)

Unless you 'enlist' in the academy as a cadet/midshipman and then are commissioned on leaving several years later. Shepard strikes me as way too young to be a mustang (short of serious Canon-Sue mode anyway).

The problem I have with the Academy scenario is that in the War Hero background he then ends up on Elysium with no 'hands on' experience in the military, but manages to rally a ragtag force that at least includes untrained civilians, to defeat a much larger Batarian attacking force. That scenario is a little more believable for me if Shepard has been an enlisted man for four years prior to that, and has been through multiple training evolutions in the field with a real military unit.  Or maybe he arrives on Elysium after being recently commisioned though an enlisted commissioning program, and after having also gone through an officer candidate's school.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 12 février 2012 - 10:41 .

[paul165]

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

paul165 wrote...

Bottom line it makes no sense for either biotic!Shep or spacer!Shep to go the enlisted route rather than going straight into military academy at Arcturus.

Doubt there will ever be a final answer though so I suspect it boils down to individual headcanon.

Yeah, this. No sense at all. Particularly with spacerShep's parents both being officers, having lived among the military for eighteen years, knowing heaps about the Alliance's methods...

I'm just assuming some terrible calamity meant officer school was full that year, or something.

We don't know if service academies exist in ME. And why wouldn't a Spacer want to enlist? If he lived most of his early life on a ship, he would have interacted with the enlisted personel just as much as the officers. And, for as far as we know, you have to enlist first in the Alliance before you can get a commission.

As for a bioticShep. No idea there. Maybe he didn't go to that special training?

Don't know either, like I said, use plot device as an explanation.

I like to think that Shepard was exposed to free-flowing refined eezo during Normandy's destruction and that caused the nodules to form in his nervous system so when he was revived...BAM, biotics.

Works for ME2 not unfortunately for those who started ME1 as biotics - nice explaination for going engineer -> sentinel on import so totally nicking that. Thanks!

"We don't know if service academies exist in ME. And why wouldn't a
Spacer want to enlist? If he lived most of his early life on a ship, he
would have interacted with the enlisted personel just as much as the
officers. And, for as far as we know, you have to enlist first in the
Alliance before you can get a commission."

a) Rank segregation Mummy's a captain in the Navy so little baby Shepard is going to be very aware of the expectations that engenders.
If you have to enlist first then Anderson making Lt in 2 years is ...stretching it a bit to put it mildly.

However one suspects that Bioware did not put the amount of thought into it that we are and we are never going to make everything tie up.

I do concede that Shepard went in a enlisted though - thanks for that. I'll just proceed to completely ignore it:pinched:

Modifié par paul165, 12 février 2012 - 10:45 .

[FeralEwok]

Apophis2412 wrote...

Perhaps after Me1 the Alliance decide to give her the rank she should have had?

Then I should have been a mother fraking General!


*sigh*

I scrubbed my fair share of toliets...

[GIJooTheWarHero]

Han Shot First wrote...

I think this post pretty much nails it. The only addition I'd make is that I think Shepard  also obtained a college degree while he was in the Marines. (night courses, online, ect)

Assuming you need one for a commission in the ME universe. Then again, again, we don't know how long their version of OCS is. Maybe N7 is an all-enclusive education + military training deal. A warriors most powerful weapon is their mind...or something.

[GIJooTheWarHero]

paul165 wrote...

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

paul165 wrote...

Bottom line it makes no sense for either biotic!Shep or spacer!Shep to go the enlisted route rather than going straight into military academy at Arcturus.

Doubt there will ever be a final answer though so I suspect it boils down to individual headcanon.

Yeah, this. No sense at all. Particularly with spacerShep's parents both being officers, having lived among the military for eighteen years, knowing heaps about the Alliance's methods...

I'm just assuming some terrible calamity meant officer school was full that year, or something.

We don't know if service academies exist in ME. And why wouldn't a Spacer want to enlist? If he lived most of his early life on a ship, he would have interacted with the enlisted personel just as much as the officers. And, for as far as we know, you have to enlist first in the Alliance before you can get a commission.

As for a bioticShep. No idea there. Maybe he didn't go to that special training?

Don't know either, like I said, use plot device as an explanation.

I like to think that Shepard was exposed to free-flowing refined eezo during Normandy's destruction and that caused the nodules to form in his nervous system so when he was revived...BAM, biotics.

Works for ME2 not unfortunately for those who started ME1 as biotics - nice explaination for going engineer -> sentinel on import so totally nicking that. Thanks!

Welcome! So many ideas are getting stolen...erm...borrowed in this topic.

[Arkitekt]

Op you are nit picking but in the correct non dicky fashion. Go on...

[GIJooTheWarHero]

Arkitekt wrote...

Op you are nit picking but in the correct non dicky fashion. Go on...

It's been going on for 8 pages, my friend.

[ElitePinecone]

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I think this post pretty much nails it. The only addition I'd make is that I think Shepard  also obtained a college degree while he was in the Marines. (night courses, online, ect)

Assuming you need one for a commission in the ME universe. Then again, again, we don't know how long their version of OCS is. Maybe N7 is an all-enclusive education + military training deal. A warriors most powerful weapon is their mind...or something.

It sounds like there'd be at least some education in there. N7 is the elite special forces program, after all - and possibly a fast-track to a commission. 

Edit: a commission. Getting my terms confused!

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 12 février 2012 - 10:42 .

[GIJooTheWarHero]

ElitePinecone wrote...

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I think this post pretty much nails it. The only addition I'd make is that I think Shepard  also obtained a college degree while he was in the Marines. (night courses, online, ect)

Assuming you need one for a commission in the ME universe. Then again, again, we don't know how long their version of OCS is. Maybe N7 is an all-enclusive education + military training deal. A warriors most powerful weapon is their mind...or something.

It sounds like there'd be at least some education in there. N7 is the elite special forces program, after all - and possibly a fast-track to a commission. 

Edit: a commission. Getting my terms confused!

And I doubt they call it the Grissom Academy just because it sounds awesome.

[Gabey5]

galactic war

many people were lost during the battle of the citadel

rank is just ability, it takes so long because there are so many people,



In the real life military during war time people move up waaaaay faster, especially if there is a huge loss of personel

Modifié par Gabey5, 12 février 2012 - 10:44 .