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#201
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GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

Op you are nit picking but in the correct non dicky fashion. Go on...


It's been going on for 8 pages, my friend.


It's been the most polite debate I've seen in days, with the exception of a certain three-headed dog soldier. 

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incinerator950 wrote...

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

Op you are nit picking but in the correct non dicky fashion. Go on...


It's been going on for 8 pages, my friend.


It's been the most polite debate I've seen in days, with the exception of a certain three-headed dog soldier. 


It's a nice calm before the storm.

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Grissom is the biotic academy for young students, Arcturus Station is the Alliance's OCS and academy, the headquarters of the Alliance fleet and its Parliament.

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ElitePinecone wrote...

Grissom is the biotic academy for young students, Arcturus Station is the Alliance's OCS and academy, the headquarters of the Alliance fleet and its Parliament.


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Actually, it's an academy like any other. Its most famous program is for the biotic children. Just replace every mention of Grissom earlier with Arcturus.

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CerberusSoldier wrote...

They should not be the same rank that is what I am saying how can they be the same . when Shepard is her superior and commanding officer . oh please trying to explain this with the in game garbage is wrong . Bioware made a huge mistake in Shepard's military rank . because no way in hell Shepard and Ashley are the same as in rank .

Yeah, that would definitely sting for you, personally I have no problem with Ashely being the same rank as Shepard.
Shepards command would still superscede hers if he commands the Normandy and it's crew with her being one of the crew, he essentially becomes her captain.

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-Shepard's on his way towards Earth with the entire galactic fleet.
-Gets hailed on his comm by some random officer.

Officer: SSV Normandy, I'm reassigning you to a different task. I have a VIP packet that needs to get off Earth NOW. I'm superseding all previous orders.
Shepard: .... wat. But I have the entir--
Officer: No time! Get the packet off this planet now!
Shepard: Bu--
Officer: NOW G'DAMN IT!

-Shepard hails the CO's of the fleet.
Shepard: Uhm, sorry guys. But I have different orders now.. So..
CO One: Lolololol.
CO Two: noob
CO Three: omgwtf?
CO Four: You're seriously going to follow that order? Don't tell me we've wasted our time here when we could've defended our own planets.
Shepard: N-no! No. Proceed with the liberation of Earth!

-Saves planet.
-Saves VIP packet due to awesome Paragon interrupt.
-Gets court-martialed as soon as things settle down.
-Is found guilty of ignoring orders.
-Sent to jail.

Good ol' Alliance.

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Slidell505 wrote...

Ash jumps from LT in ME2, to LT Commander in ME3. Four ranks. One year. That would not happen, ever. Yes it's nit picky, but it's also dumb as hell. VS doesn't need to be shoehorned into importance. They already get spectre status.


Actually I personally know a man who was promoted from Colour Sergeant to Captain for doing a good job in Afghan. Great guy but he didn't save the seat of galactic politics or anything. I think this might not be as dumb as you think it is.

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DJBare wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

They should not be the same rank that is what I am saying how can they be the same . when Shepard is her superior and commanding officer . oh please trying to explain this with the in game garbage is wrong . Bioware made a huge mistake in Shepard's military rank . because no way in hell Shepard and Ashley are the same as in rank .

Yeah, that would definitely sting for you, personally I have no problem with Ashely being the same rank as Shepard.
Shepards command would still superscede hers if he commands the Normandy and it's crew with her being one of the crew, he essentially becomes her captain.


Since the end of ME1 all the way up to the begining of Me3, Shepard was only part of the Alliance for a month. Seeing as how paper work in the military moves about as fast as a sleepy hutt he was still the same rank. Then he dies. Ash/Kaidan had three years to catch up (fast-tracked for spectre status or whatever fancies you)

Even with all this above being true, it wouldn't change the fact that Shepard outranks them. He has more time in service at his designated rank. Two people can be the exact same rank, but if one of the soldiers was promoted the day before then THEY are outrank the other person. If they were promoted at the same time then I think it goes with whoever has served the most time...then in the unlikely event they both have that it starts to get weird...like who is older etc.


With Anderson reinstating Shepard and effectively making him the commanding officer of the Normandy it wouldn't matter what Ash or Kaidan said. Anderson outranks them both.

So sayeth Keith David.

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incinerator950 wrote...

GIJooTheWarHero wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

Op you are nit picking but in the correct non dicky fashion. Go on...


It's been going on for 8 pages, my friend.


It's been the most polite debate I've seen in days, with the exception of a certain three-headed dog soldier. 


thanks guys and yes i too like the fact my tread so fare is a positive one!

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CaptainZaysh wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Ash jumps from LT in ME2, to LT Commander in ME3. Four ranks. One year. That would not happen, ever. Yes it's nit picky, but it's also dumb as hell. VS doesn't need to be shoehorned into importance. They already get spectre status.


Actually I personally know a man who was promoted from Colour Sergeant to Captain for doing a good job in Afghan. Great guy but he didn't save the seat of galactic politics or anything. I think this might not be as dumb as you think it is.


tell us more.

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^ Battlefield promotions go a long way. ^

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FeralEwok wrote...
So sayeth Keith David.


I find this is appropriate for practically any situation. 

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So, uh, why does Kaidan, who is a major as of ME3, command a company? That seems like a comically disproportionate pay grade for such an assignment, especially considering the fact that the Systems Alliance major is equivalent to a modern American colonel.

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daqs wrote...

So, uh, why does Kaidan, who is a major as of ME3, command a company? That seems like a comically disproportionate pay grade for such an assignment, especially considering the fact that the Systems Alliance major is equivalent to a modern American colonel.


Because they didn't have enough biotic soldiers for a batallion or regiment?

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daqs wrote...

So, uh, why does Kaidan, who is a major as of ME3, command a company? That seems like a comically disproportionate pay grade for such an assignment, especially considering the fact that the Systems Alliance major is equivalent to a modern American colonel.


Biotics Company.  Probably just off writing, but Kaidan is one of the most experienced Human Biotic users in the Alliance. 

Kaidan commands 1st Special Operations Biotic Company, a specialized arm
of covert operations within the Alliance Army. At the Alliance Special
Warfare Center and School, he takes the best and the brightest from the
Ascension Project at Grissom Academy and trains them to be elite biotic
soldiers.


Eggs

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FeralEwok wrote...

Because they didn't have enough biotic soldiers for a batallion or regiment?

Not the point. Why place Alenko in command, then? Alternatively, why promote him to major?

And if they're so intent on giving a Spectre (?) in charge of a group of elite commandos a high grade regardless of his actual assignment and time spent in grade, why not promote Shepard?

incinerator950 wrote...

Biotics Company.  Probably just off writing, but Kaidan is one of the most experienced Human Biotic users in the Alliance. 

Kaidan commands 1st Special Operations Biotic Company, a specialized arm
of covert operations within the Alliance Army. At the Alliance Special
Warfare Center and School, he takes the best and the brightest from the
Ascension Project at Grissom Academy and trains them to be elite biotic
soldiers.

Yes, that is the source for what I said. Doesn't explain anything.

I would assume off writing, but BioWare's been sneaky enough with stuff like that in ME2 - like explicitly stating that there were more than one Collector cruiser - that I have to think it's meaningful.

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daqs wrote...

FeralEwok wrote...

Because they didn't have enough biotic soldiers for a batallion or regiment?

Not the point. Why place Alenko in command, then? Alternatively, why promote him to major?

And if they're so intent on giving a Spectre (?) in charge of a group of elite commandos a high grade regardless of his actual assignment and time spent in grade, why not promote Shepard?

incinerator950 wrote...

Biotics Company.  Probably just off writing, but Kaidan is one of the most experienced Human Biotic users in the Alliance. 

Kaidan commands 1st Special Operations Biotic Company, a specialized arm
of covert operations within the Alliance Army. At the Alliance Special
Warfare Center and School, he takes the best and the brightest from the
Ascension Project at Grissom Academy and trains them to be elite biotic
soldiers.

Yes, that is the source for what I said. Doesn't explain anything.

I would assume off writing, but BioWare's been sneaky enough with stuff like that in ME2 - like explicitly stating that there were more than one Collector cruiser - that I have to think it's meaningful.


Yep.

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daqs wrote...

Not the point. Why place Alenko in command, then? Alternatively, why promote him to major?

And if they're so intent on giving a Spectre (?) in charge of a group of elite commandos a high grade regardless of his actual assignment and time spent in grade, why not promote Shepard?


He's one of the most experienced and competent biotics in the Alliance, and it is a special unit. It's probably not a standard infantry company, so they want someone who truly knows how to command. (though I've never seen Alenko's leadership abilities)

Why not promote Shepard?

Honestly?

Because Commander Shepard sounds better than Major Shepard as that is what he/she has become known as.

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Kaidan commands 1st Special Operations Biotic Company, a specialized arm
of covert operations within the Alliance Army. At the Alliance Special
Warfare Center and School, he takes the best and the brightest from the
Ascension Project at Grissom Academy and trains them to be elite biotic
soldiers.

So does he command or train? Or is it a unit still in training?

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I'm sure we will get a good enough explanation in ME3.

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Prom001 wrote...

So does he command or train? Or is it a unit still in training?


This is where it gets murkier.

A "Unit" can be a general term applied to any organized body of soldiers.

Examples would be:

Team- 3-4 people
Squad-2-3 Teams
Platoon- 3-4 Squads
Company- 3-4 Platoons
Battalion- 3-4+ Companies
Regiment- 2+ Battalions
Birgade- 3+ Battalions
Division- 3+ Battlalions or Regiments
Corps- 2+ Divisions
Army- 2+ Corps

An Army can consist of roughly 100-150 thousand people.

So Unit does not imply whether or not it is a training unit or a field unit.

Modifié par FeralEwok, 12 février 2012 - 11:53 .


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FeralEwok wrote...

He's one of the most experienced and competent biotics in the Alliance, and it is a special unit. It's probably not a standard infantry company, so they want someone who truly knows how to command. (though I've never seen Alenko's leadership abilities)

Sure, there are obvious reasons to put Alenko in command of the unit. But this sort of combat team doesn't get formed on a whim - it had to be in the offing quite some time before the events of ME3, and yet Alenko was promoted to major anyway. Why?

FeralEwok wrote...

Why not promote Shepard?

Honestly?

Because Commander Shepard sounds better than Major Shepard as that is what he/she has become known as.

Well, yeah. But it felt good to see somebody else say it.

Modifié par daqs, 12 février 2012 - 11:53 .


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I was talking about the 1st Special Operations Biotic Company

i would guess they have not beeen on a mission as this unit and Kadian is still putting them together training them.

Modifié par Prom001, 12 février 2012 - 11:56 .


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I assume Shepard's promotion got tied up in politics, then he died. Which tends to put a damper on your career advancement.

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daqs wrote...

Sure, there are obvious reasons to put Alenko in command of the unit. But this sort of combat team doesn't get formed on a whim - it had to be in the offing quite some time before the events of ME3, and yet Alenko was promoted to major anyway. Why?


Don't know. If it suits the needs of the higher echelons, they will break protocol or standard proceedure for whatever dubious reasons.

If that is not the case then chalk it up to the writters not really giving a damn about having to get THAT technical.

I've watched plenty of movies or played games that had the whole military backdrop and just about all of them get some technical aspects wrong. Those that do not are usually straight stories that deal more with military life and less about a typical story plot.

Most of the time directors/writers/editors will avoid sitting down and explaining all of this because it is not as important to them as driving the story forward.

Commander Shepard is Commander Shepard. He/She is a space hero who can punch reporters, kill batarians, and go dancing at a night club all in one day. Accuracy about military structure is not the top priority.